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Islamic Fighters Flocking to Syria (Maybe Russia Was Right)
The Globe and Mail ^ | 7/22/2012 | The Globe and Mail

Posted on 07/22/2012 6:27:05 PM PDT by Dallas59

In the 1980s, it was Afghanistan to which international Islamic fighters came, helping the mujahedeen successfully take on the Soviet army and its puppet regime in Kabul. Then came Bosnia in the 1990s and Iraq in the 2000s, in both of which veteran jihadists fought a sectarian war on behalf of outgunned Sunni minorities.In 2012, they’re flocking to Syria

With funding from private organizations in Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait, they are making their way across the frontiers from Iraq and Jordan, hooking up with opposition elements in Syria and taking the battle to Damascus and the heart of the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

Money from Qatar is helping finance the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and the fledgling Free Syrian Army (FSA). And United States CIA operatives are reportedly helping distribute weapons and matériel to the mainstream opposition forces. However, the international jihadists, many of them so-called Salafists linked to al-Qaeda, have agendas of their own that don’t stop at forcing Mr. al-Assad from office. To them, the real target is Shiism, the religion of Iran, and the crescent of Shia forces that Tehran has promoted that stretch from Iran to the Mediterranean.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; bosnia; freesyrianarmy; iran; iraq; islam; jordan; kuwait; mujahedeen; muslimbrotherhood; qatar; russia; salafists; saudiarabia; shiites; syria; terrorists; ussr

1 posted on 07/22/2012 6:27:11 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

If the administration can do the same fine job it has been doing with Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt and Libya, I’m sure we’ll be OK. No problems.

/s


2 posted on 07/22/2012 6:33:01 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Dallas59
As much as I hate Assad and would love to see the Syrian people have more positive leadership, the faction of the current opposition which is going to take power if they oust Assad is going to much worse than Assad.

They will treat the Syrian people worse than Assad has and they will use Syria as staging base for aggressive extremism against other Middle Eastern countries and also against Israel

3 posted on 07/22/2012 6:43:24 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Dallas59

Of course Russia is right. The only thing that upsets me with your headline is the word “MAYBE”.

It’s not even close. In less than a decade we’ll find out that Russia did more to protect our interests than our present ever dreamed of.


4 posted on 07/22/2012 6:53:35 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Dallas59

I think the unfortunate truth is that for women and for minorities in Muslim nations, and for most of the rest of the world, that the monarchs and dictators are about the best governments that can be hoped for in those nations.

No matter how bad the monarchs and dictators might be in some ways, what’s likely to replace them these days will almost certainly be worse.


5 posted on 07/22/2012 7:01:13 PM PDT by Will88
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6 posted on 07/22/2012 7:07:42 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: rdcbn

I believe this thing will have a Domino effect that will have the whole Middle east fighting before it is over.

When the Jihadists and Syrian Rebels finish killing off as many Syrians as it takes for them to reach orgasm—they will start on another country, and another until someone ends up nuking them.

These people love killing, and torture, they get off on it.
Meanwhile Obama and our CIA are supplying weapons.


7 posted on 07/22/2012 7:13:33 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rdcbn

Another “Arab Spring’ becomes Arab Winter. Lousy dictator replaced by Taliban-wannabees or a new Khomeni.


8 posted on 07/22/2012 7:25:05 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Dallas59
The Israelis are seriously worried about WMD transfer to Hizballha. They are prepared to strike within 2 hours notice, if you can believe Debka.

Two hours for Syrian chemical weapons to reach Lebanon. Four armies prepared

9 posted on 07/22/2012 7:36:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Dallas59

Of course Russia was right. Syria may be a crappy place, but it will be much worse, and the world will be worse off, with it under a shariah law.


10 posted on 07/22/2012 7:40:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: BobL
Gotta think this through more deeply. To be sure both sides are evil to the core.

First question for me and if anyone can answer is . . . WHY is both Russia and China supporting Assad?

Am sure there are numerous and even complex answers, but the most simplest for me to understand is . . . Both Russia and China support Assad to PROTECT their interest in Iran.

Again, both sides evil, neither has a good ending. Now think in long term 10 to 15 years?? Which is worse and why??

11 posted on 07/22/2012 7:53:13 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

“supporting Assad”....

maintains the status quo. The opposition here is Iran’s Hezbollah, remember. Not ‘rebels.’ Hezbollah, now joined by Palestinian Authority members in a new, Syrian Muslim Brotherhood party.

Communist China and Russia don’t want to have to defend the Iranian border area, or, the nomadic region crossing toward the Mongolian steppe.


12 posted on 07/22/2012 7:58:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: saywhatagain

“Again, both sides evil, neither has a good ending. Now think in long term 10 to 15 years?? Which is worse and why??”

One factor might be the number of Christians left there. This new bunch will totally clean them out, just as they’re doing in Egypt...so I do factor this in.


13 posted on 07/22/2012 8:03:41 PM PDT by BobL
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To: combat_boots
Status quo is always been the standard argument since the beginning of time. And it is a valid argument I suppose, but much too simplistic when no other answer seems plausible.

However the real battle is not status quo . . . Its is clearly a sectarian war between the Sunni's and the Shia's. Arab vs Persian. Arabian vs Iranian influence.

The absolute genius of Bush II to enter in battle with Iraq is becoming even more crystal clear. Now many would argue and I would have a hard time defending, was it worth the loss of American lives just to keep those two factions (sunni vs shia) fighting?

The pissant now is the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood which is trying to unite both factions. If that were to ever occur, we are all in real trouble.

Hezbollah is Shia. The Arabs hate them except for the fact they piss on Israel.

14 posted on 07/22/2012 8:14:12 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: BobL
"One factor might be the number of Christians left there."

Excellent point. And its all part of the equation. On one hand we know the Muslim Brotherhood prevails, they will look to wipe out the Christians and Israel. If its a Moderate Arab (Sunni) (No such thing), they might have a chance.

But then if you support Assad, how do you years later explain to your liberal friends why we (USA) stood up for dictator who massacred his own people and supported Hezbollah in the destruction of Israel

No easy answer, and again both sides very evil

15 posted on 07/22/2012 8:25:12 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

Hilliary Clinton is flying all these miles for US. Yes, she is doing it all for US. We are just so lucky. We probably ought to learn Chinese fast as Obama is making certain America is destroyed.


16 posted on 07/22/2012 8:40:33 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: saywhatagain

“But then if you support Assad, how do you years later explain to your liberal friends why we (USA) stood up for dictator who massacred his own people and supported Hezbollah in the destruction of Israel

No easy answer, and again both sides very evil.”

Valid point. My only answer is that there is ALWAYS worse, and I’ve known of the Brotherhood for decades, and they are simply worse. Consider that Israel has lived in relative peace with Syria for decades. No one, at all, that knows the Brotherhood expects that to not change.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 8:47:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: rdcbn

The best outcome for the USA would be a greatly weakened Assad hanging on to power.

Also, Israel should use the chance to start to clean up Hezbollah.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 8:53:18 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: BobL
Yes, I am leaning in that point of view. And as others have said, a weakened Assad would probably be the best outcome. Much like Gaddafi years ago under Reagan.

The beauty here would be a prolonged civil war. I think that Reagan and Bush II believed that as long as they are fighting themselves, we are a safer world for it. But Syria is not Iraq vs Iran and Syria is not geographically like Iraq, so am sure it would be difficult to sustain.

I have listened to and read Bibi's thoughts since 1980. If he says something publicly, I would probably think thats the answer we are looking for.

But Mittens is going to have to make a statement on the issue after the Olympics if he is going to be taken seriously.

19 posted on 07/22/2012 9:07:07 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

“Hezbollah is Shia. The Arabs hate them except for the fact they piss on Israel.”

Exactly. There is much talk of the Sunni-Shia conflict as the actual war of the Islamic nations, said ‘war’ being off-loaded onto the West as the bad guy to avoid the real power struggle.

There are several books on the topic now, too, the classic Sunni-Shi’i conflict for example,

“The Sunni-Shia Conflict: Understanding Sectarian Violence in the Middle East”
Nathan Gonzalez
2009

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sunni-Shia-Conflict-Understanding-Sectarian/dp/098422520X/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1343009848&sr=8-10&keywords=sunni+shia


20 posted on 07/22/2012 9:07:44 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: saywhatagain

“WHY is both Russia and China supporting Assad?”

My real point on the issue was that when it comes right down to it, neither country wants to defend the border with Iran, making support of Syria’s Assad an issue of pure self-interest. Iran takes Syria, Iraq is squeezed into submission, and we are back to the days of the original conflicts of the early 20th century and before, but with an Iran in a much more militaristic setup and ambition.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 9:13:02 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: BobL

He’ll make it up to Putin post election, when he’ll have more flexibility as he earlier promised. Somehow, though, I don’t think Putin seeks any bows or curtsies from Bambi. Thinking he better dazzle him with complete unilateral nuclear disarmament or stay home.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 9:23:28 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: saywhatagain

“I have listened to and read Bibi’s thoughts since 1980. If he says something publicly, I would probably think thats the answer we are looking for.”

Yea, Bibi has been spot-on in describing the entire situation out there. I remember 20 years ago him saying that the Palestinians were being taught, from Day 1, in their schools that Jews were pigs and that they must be slaughtered.

It was EXPLICITLY stated and agreed to in those “peace deals” that that garbage would stop. It didn’t, at all. And when President Clinton, and then Bush demanded that Israel give up land for peace, their words regarding this issue were silent.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 9:27:55 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Dysart

“He’ll make it up to Putin post election, when he’ll have more flexibility as he earlier promised. Somehow, though, I don’t think Putin seeks any bows or curtsies from Bambi. Thinking he better dazzle him with complete unilateral nuclear disarmament or stay home.”

God help this country if Obama gets re-elected. If that happens, our best hope would that Putin sees the need for a nuclear US to be able to help him with China, in particular. Because this president has no clue on his own.


24 posted on 07/22/2012 9:29:36 PM PDT by BobL
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To: combat_boots
Am going to have to take more time to absorb your thoughts.

Am a little confused because Syria (Assad) is already a vassal of Iran.

Russia and China of course support Iran. Billions of dollars exported to that country in nuclear technology and arms. And of course Iran keeps America in check for Russia and China.

So in a sense, Iran already owns Syria. I also believe Russia supports Assad because they too have a Islam problem and they see the Brotherhood as the real threat.

Plus more. I gotta go to work. Will catch up later. I will give thought to your point.

25 posted on 07/22/2012 9:37:32 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Dallas59
And United States CIA operatives are reportedly helping distribute weapons and matériel to the mainstream opposition forces.

Oh... like they do here to the Sinaloa Cartel in Arizona ?

26 posted on 07/22/2012 10:07:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: justa-hairyape

Bakaa Valley. Where the Russians moved the chem/bio/nuc weapons that they had sold to Iraq (but not gotten paid for), just prior to the overthrow of Baghdad.

No wonder we are concerned. Besides there was already tons of stuff there. Saddam’s stuff was old. Still very dangerous.


27 posted on 07/22/2012 10:13:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Dallas59

Assad’s decision to give safe haven and training to foreign jihadists fighting against US forces in Iraq has come back to haunt him.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 10:33:27 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BobL

Regardless of who is elected, or re-elected, our best hope, Americas best hope is for Americans to truly turn back to Christ. Without Him, we are relying an men and will ALWAYS be disappointed and betrayed.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 10:48:39 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Dallas59.
In the 1980s, it was Afghanistan to which international Islamic fighters came, helping the mujahedeen successfully take on the Soviet army and its puppet regime in Kabul.
Heh heh... who won that fight anyway?


30 posted on 07/23/2012 7:29:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rdcbn

I grew up in a Syrian neighborhood. I didn’t know any muslims. They were all Christian or nothing. Great people, it’s shame what evil does.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 7:43:12 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Dallas59

Best scenario - the two sides fighting for a long time


32 posted on 07/23/2012 11:26:23 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: Dallas59

Russia is right. Just hope they don’t get sucked into the morass. It would be much better for Assad to finish off al these folks in one misty WMD day, made in Iraq.” Let em al burn each others tents. Prayers up for the Christians and Jews that have lived their since a long time ago.


33 posted on 07/26/2012 8:28:04 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Dallas59

Russia is right. Just hope they don’t get sucked into the morass. It would be much better for Assad to finish off al these folks in one misty WMD day, made in Iraq.” Let em al burn each others tents. Prayers up for the Christians and Jews that have lived their since a long time ago.


34 posted on 07/26/2012 8:28:14 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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