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Thoughts On The Aurora Theater Massacre
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Posted on 07/22/2012 8:01:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan

I’ve been asked to comment on the theater massacre. I think there is just one cause; a crazy shooter with God only knows what, going through his brain. Unfortunately discussions will go far and wide from this obvious fact and range from gun control to societal issues. So here are my thoughts. I think societal issues led up to this massacre. I’m not going to spend much time on gun control other than to say I am firmly for our second amendment, no exceptions. I blame our obsession with political correctness, the destruction of the family and the lack of God in our society. I read a child’s quote where he asked God, why do you allow all this violence in our schools? God replied, I’m not allowed in schools. Just substitute the public square for schools and you have America in 2012. A godless society is a society without a moral compass. And then there’s political correctness; you can’t speak the truth…plain and simple. You want some truth? Natalie Holloway would be alive today if her friends were responsible and didn’t allow her to go off with a stranger. The massacre at Columbine probably wouldn’t have happened if Harris and Klebold’s parents had done their job and gone down into their rooms to see what they were doing. You want more truth? How about we’re going to find out real soon how mentally disturbed the theater shooter was. His mother reportedly said “that sounds like my son” when contacted by police. Could this be another case of parenting decisions gone wrong? Time will only tell how the role of kids’ rights and medical records privacy rules might have changed the outcome.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aurora; massacre

1 posted on 07/22/2012 8:02:11 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

An adult cannot be controlled by a parent.
MANY families know about their children’s mental illness and can do NOTHING legally about it.

Just a thought.


2 posted on 07/22/2012 8:07:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: tsowellfan
I’ve been asked to comment on the theater massacre. I think there is just one cause; a crazy shooter with God only knows what, going through his brain

Ha Ha ha. The rest is Post Toasties a.k.a. I CAN say shit with my mouth full.

Ha Ha Ha

3 posted on 07/22/2012 8:08:17 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: tsowellfan
the left -- the regime in power -- has used violent rhetoric from the start. the movie clearly paints the regime for what it is.

Now then, did the kid, who basically came of age in this environment, take it too seriously? Or did he just come unglued?

4 posted on 07/22/2012 8:09:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: netmilsmom
MANY families know about their children’s mental illness and can do NOTHING legally about it.

Ha Ha Ha

Mama don't let your babies grow up...

5 posted on 07/22/2012 8:13:18 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: the invisib1e hand
the left -- the regime in power -- has used violent rhetoric from the start

Yes! So true. I'd love to see a list of all of the quotes (just within the last 3 years) so they can be posted on Social Media with a hashtag or title "ConnectingTheDots"

6 posted on 07/22/2012 8:13:18 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Sounds like an Andy Kaufman except Andy Kaufman used comedy to deal with it (though it was hard to tell the difference between what was real and what was not)


7 posted on 07/22/2012 8:15:20 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Ha Ha Ha

Now then, did the kid, who basically came of age in this environment, take it too seriously?

If he were a she, she woulda come of age under the bush admisistration.

8 posted on 07/22/2012 8:19:08 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

Yeah, Obiwan, I know. It was just a typo.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 8:21:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: netmilsmom
An adult cannot be controlled by a parent.

But sometimes they decide to send the kid to college and hope it all works out. That's what happened with the Virginia Tech gunman. It didn't work out.

10 posted on 07/22/2012 8:24:42 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: bigheadfred
i think I'm embarrassed that I posted on this thread.
11 posted on 07/22/2012 8:25:23 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: tsowellfan

I watched the movie and was struck by two things. First was the name of one of the characters ...bain. the other was Bain’s message. It was all about how the rich stole from the poor. Total anarchy began in the movie and it gives one an idea what would happen if the Democrats implement their policies.

I sat next to the entry way away from the emergency doors

Ya never know if a copycat is out there even in Minot


12 posted on 07/22/2012 8:25:52 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: bigheadfred

There’s no Ha ha ha about this.

I was the Office Manager for Psychiatrists. You have no clue what it is like to know that your adult child is out there, with a clear indication that he/she will hurt his/herself or others and have NO legal recourse.

They have the same rights as any other adult. If they don’t want to be treated or housed, they aren’t. Parents know and they can’t do a thing.

It’s not a joke. We don’t have asylums for these people. They are put into group homes, if you can find one that has room, and then they just walk away. Blaming the parents is misguided.


13 posted on 07/22/2012 8:28:47 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: palmer

>>But sometimes they decide to send the kid to college and hope it all works out.<<

How do you stop an adult?
This shooter got fed dollars to go to school.

How does mom stop him?


14 posted on 07/22/2012 8:31:12 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: South Dakota

I heard Rush talking about this last week. It was the day after Sheriff Joe’s News Conference. I figured he was trying to purposely anger the birthers by talking about the “Batman conspiracy theory” and totally ignoring the birth certificate findings.

In the movie, which side did the Joker represent?

Rush was not on the day after the massacre to talk about it.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 8:32:33 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan
medical records privacy rules might have changed the outcome.

If you are saying that more access to medical records by (parents of adult children, gov't) might have helped, I beg to differ. The Patriot act allows DHS to access any medical record it wants and the HC provider cannot tell you that they gave you up to the feds. The ability to "perhaps" ferret out one nut at the expense of even more of our freedoms is to high a price to pay.

My two cents is that this is a product of something we will never understand. The Chevy Chase bank murders of 1989 were done by a former employee of mine. Some girl turned him down, he went home and got a handgun and killed three people. One of my other former employees called me from under his desk while it was going down.

The young man who committed the murders was never a problem. But let me tell you, everyone who had anything to do with him in any way did some serious thinking about our rolls after TSHTF. Bottom line, we all drew blanks. This was the path that the young man was following. We had no control over it at all.

16 posted on 07/22/2012 8:33:38 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: lovesdogs

Hindsight is 20/20.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 8:39:37 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: bigheadfred

Truly tasteless comment on a serious issue.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 8:41:54 PM PDT by Boomer One
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To: tsowellfan

as I recall the verdict was that without comedy, he would have been pushing the grocery cart down the street talking to himself.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 8:42:22 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: tsowellfan

>> I blame our obsession with political correctness, the destruction of the family and the lack of God in our society.

I blame the shooter. Period.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Life is tough for all of us. We are not entitled to a carefree and happy life.
How many folks who have lost their jobs, their homes or their businesses do you see mowing people down?
This kid had a life easier than most.

Until we stop trying to make excuses for why someone blew a gasket and went postal, and place the blame squarely on them, we will never get anywhere.

Just my opinion.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 8:43:05 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: the invisib1e hand
Lucky for me I spent all day Friday in ICU and did not have to receive it Goebbels saturation style.

I have noted one outstanding prominence of somehow nobama and holder”s people trying vainly to commandeer it as some white supremacist anti-black triad. I was astounded to have seen the list of those shot and find them none black.

Now everyone knows that the dems have only the race card now, but this is even shocking to the degree which they now stoop.

21 posted on 07/22/2012 8:47:31 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Boomer One

>Truly tasteless comment on a serious issue.

Hit the report abuse button. I don’t take kindly to people acting stupid here.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 8:56:28 PM PDT by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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To: netmilsmom
Oh. Office Manager? You are CORRECT. There is "nothing" "legally" parents can do. So they "rely" on the "government" to place them in group homes. Or just walk away. And please pass me some more bread on Sunday Morning. Ha Ha Ha. My wife works with "these" people. I have, within the government parameters, limited interaction with them. You DO know my wife. She is the one making $7.50/hour to try and help us. And then when her office manager gets on her, that stress, and I tell my wife it is ok. Walk away. And she says "Pat, I can't..."

Ha HA Ha

23 posted on 07/22/2012 9:05:22 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: ROTB

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2909477/posts?page=23#23


24 posted on 07/22/2012 9:09:26 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: tsowellfan

Crazy, deranged, mentally ill. We need to stop that language. Every piece of evidence shows that he was fully aware his actions were illegal and evil. Every piece of evidence shows that he consciously chose to do evil. He consciously chose to sin.

The gunman was funded by the NIH.

What went wrong at NIH?

Stop all NIH activity until a study independent of NIH and its parent organizations determines what went wrong at NIH.


25 posted on 07/22/2012 9:16:48 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Boomer One

#23

Disrespect my wife.

Disrespect The Love Of GOD.

And the votes are in.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 9:18:00 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

>>And then when her office manager gets on her,<<

Excuse me, but you seem to have a personal issue.

I DON’T know your wife, but I can tell you this, my boss and my office were the ONLY Psych’s office that would treat Adult Home patients on the west side of Cleveland. People like your wife would do their best, to treat and care for people in those homes. We worked together with families. I’m not sure what is going on with you, but perhaps with your talk of passing bread and unbridled glee (hahaha) you should look into a bit of treatment.

Oh and I made a big 10.00 an hour because short of Peds, Psychs are the lowest paid doctors of all. Get over yourself.

Good night.


27 posted on 07/22/2012 9:23:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Boomer One

That poster has some issues of his own.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 9:25:07 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

Thank you for your kind reply.

Goodnight to you.


29 posted on 07/22/2012 9:31:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: tsowellfan

demonic posession


30 posted on 07/22/2012 9:36:31 PM PDT by Fred (http://www.obamanomicsoutsourced.com/)
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To: Boomer One
Truly tasteless comment on a serious issue.

Yeah. That first couple of lines in the article struck me the same way.

31 posted on 07/22/2012 9:50:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: netmilsmom
How do you stop an adult? This shooter got fed dollars to go to school. How does mom stop him?

Depends on if mom truly believes he'll become a mass murderer.

As for how to stop mass murderers generally, if ten percent of the audience was carrying, forty people would have been pouring lead into the sunuvabitch before he could get off his second shot.

And the NEXT crazy bastard would know about that and think twice before he shot people.

Oh, they're crazy, so they wouldn't think twice?

Then why did THIS one surrender when the cops showed up?

Hmm, maybe so he wouldn't get SHOT?

32 posted on 07/22/2012 10:09:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

>>Depends on if mom truly believes he’ll become a mass murderer.

As for how to stop mass murderers generally, if ten percent of the audience was carrying, forty people would have been pouring lead into the sunuvabitch before he could get off his second shot. <<

I hope I’m reading this wrong. I don’t think you’re suggesting that mom shoot her son, but that’s the way it reads.

As for mom truly believing he has the potential to be a mass murderer, I knew a mom like this. Her son knifed a couple people then killed himself. She had BEGGED the police to take him away (multiple times) because he had threatened to do harm to himself and others. He would be hauled off to the Psych Ward and let go after the legal three days. The police knew he was a threat but their hands were tied unless he actually hurt someone. He did.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 10:54:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: lovesdogs
One of my other former employees called me from under his desk while it was going down.

Which raises a question. Just supposing you were in this situation, like in Aurora, an armored up crazy shooting people. Where are the weak points - if you had CCW, where would you aim ? (Assuming for sake of argument that there was no danger to anyone else present). Homes had body armor, crotch armor, head protection so, again, where's the weak points so you wouldn't be committing suicide to take him on? Reminds me somewhat of that episode in Calfornia where two bank robbers were "immune" to police firepower until a sniper got a neck shot.

34 posted on 07/22/2012 11:45:07 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: tsowellfan
Natalie Holloway would be alive today if her friends were responsible and didn’t allow her to go off with a stranger.

Natalie bears no responsibility for going off with a stranger?

The entire idea of singles bars is to meet a stranger and go off with him.

35 posted on 07/23/2012 4:53:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Talisker
Then why did THIS one surrender when the cops showed up?
Hmm, maybe so he wouldn't get SHOT?

Yep, because he knew that THEY had guns with which to shoot his sorry rear end.

36 posted on 07/23/2012 10:54:30 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 1066AD
if you had CCW, where would you aim ? (Assuming for sake of argument that there was no danger to anyone else present). Homes had body armor, crotch armor, head protection so, again, where's the weak points so you wouldn't be committing suicide to take him on?

Another armed person may not be able to KILL the gunman, but from what I understand, it HURTS to get shot, even with body armor. By shooting the gunman, you can at least take his focus off the unarmed people and on to yourself, giving the others time to either get away, or get something between themselves and the gunman.

And if there were ANOTHER armed person, while the focus was on the first 'responder', the next person could take a shot. That would certainly keep the gunman guessing as to just who ELSE might be armed.

37 posted on 07/23/2012 10:58:45 AM PDT by SuziQ
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