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Who Really Invented the Internet?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 23, 2012 | L. GORDON CROVITZ

Posted on 07/23/2012 7:06:51 AM PDT by Pharmboy

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To: bunkerhill7
If my memory can function, it started out early 80`s, `90`s as it was all BBS`s and newsgroup protocols and using GOPHER archive search engine out of Univ. of Wisconsin at the local library.

The GOPHER search engine came out of the Computer Science labs at the University of Minnesota, home of the Golden Gophers. The first node was at the U of M. But there was also the Archie search engine, and a Veronica search engine.

201 posted on 07/23/2012 7:00:28 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

I believe they just discovered (somewhere in a cave in southern Spain) that it was red-headed Neanderthals that were the first with the TCP/IP protocol...


202 posted on 07/23/2012 7:11:11 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: yldstrk
what is autodin

Automated Digital Network. Either OCR or hand-jammed on TTY machines message traffic.

203 posted on 07/23/2012 7:11:11 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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204 posted on 07/23/2012 7:31:51 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Pharmboy
Bump.

(See, I didn't have anything to say)

205 posted on 07/23/2012 7:34:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: yldstrk; All

Exactly correct! The DOD created it for military use and it warped into commercial use.

I don’t know the specifics, but I can guess that contracts with the DOD were given access to the “internet” and thus the idea might have been born that it would be good for all commercial business. If anybody knows the real story - please post it so we can all be informed.

It’s sure been a help to me .. I broke my ankles a couple of years ago, and walking through stores and standing in line is not very easy to accomplish. My solution: I get on the internet and order what I need and have it delivered.


206 posted on 07/23/2012 7:37:51 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: yldstrk

I too remember those days, can you say 300 baud???


207 posted on 07/23/2012 7:49:41 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: yldstrk

I had a friend who joined the Air Force in the late 70s. He learned how to be a key punch operator. Haven’t seen or thought of him for years, but that was HiTech back in the day...lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming_in_the_punched_card_era


208 posted on 07/23/2012 8:14:41 PM PDT by Mrite
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To: Pharmboy

:’)


209 posted on 07/23/2012 9:30:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Isn’t it funny how Der Fuhrer conveniently left out the part about those that built the INFRASTRUCTURE upon which the Internet was built?

F U B O !! Friggin Traitor !!


210 posted on 07/23/2012 10:18:38 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Pharmboy

Later


211 posted on 07/23/2012 11:04:12 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Tim Berners-Lee is credited with inventing the world wide web.

And then there was Mark Andreeson (et al), who actually helped make the WWW usable - Originally, the web was all character based. Anybody else remember Mosaic?

Mark

212 posted on 07/23/2012 11:10:19 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: TomGuy

I had my first modem around 1974 - didn’t have a computer then, of course. Talked a friend to switch from making keyboards to making modems. Sadly they made Hayes-compatible rather than my design ... borrowed from a certain Cap’n. But USRX was a decent success anyway.

Starting in 1979 I did have multiple computers and hooked into one that a little outfit out of McLean, VA was leasing during its off-hours - some of the employees of this internet service were quite spooky. von Meister started that, and after getting squeezed, he started another service called America On Line. Readers Digest bought out The Source, but never understood how to price it for growth.


213 posted on 07/23/2012 11:22:39 PM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: broadcastdude
Many years before 1994, amateur (ham) radio operators, myself included, were “chatting” with people all around the world in actual real time without using phone lines or satellites.

A buddy of mine was a HAM, and as I recall, he was using a VIC-20 and PET to do packet switched communications over short wave back in the early or mid 80s.

Mark

214 posted on 07/23/2012 11:23:37 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: cuban leaf
Do you remember when the internet community chastised a user for trying to sell his computer or something in his messages?

I believe you are are referring to the first spam message. back then, there were only a few hundred computers in a university net, and this idiot sent a message to everybody on the entire network. It was considered bad form, and still is, to send unsolicited commercial email, UCE, aka spam.

215 posted on 07/23/2012 11:29:05 PM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: drbuzzard
There is some truth to the contention that the government invented the internet, but only in terms of the DARPA projects as you say, though the guy invented html on CERN’s dime which is government as well. Fully blossoming it into what it is today was a matter of private enterprise and it really does show the value of the free market because the whole internet/web area of commerce was so poorly understood by governments that they didn’t vaguely know how to start regulating it. Thus it was not strangled in infancy.

You make a good point, that a part of the Internet's infancy occurred in government funded projects. But thank goodness that it was the free market where the Internet grew up. I once had a conversation with an Air Force major, trying to explain to him that "there is NO SUCH THING and an OSI compliant TCP/IP protocol stack!" This was back in the day when the government declared that government agencies needed to have OSI compliant software - to the best of my knowledge, that would have limited their networking software to Decnet (Phase III, I think). I shudder to think what government control of the Internet and its protocols would look like today.

Mark

216 posted on 07/23/2012 11:40:15 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Vigilanteman

You forgot 3a) The Roswell, NM reverse engineering...

Mark


217 posted on 07/23/2012 11:54:14 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Usagi_yo
and UUCP

I remember using "bang paths" for uucp and email.

Mark

218 posted on 07/24/2012 12:01:01 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
With Bill Gunning, I am personally responsible for 10-base-T ethernet

Grrrrr!!!! I installed a whole bunch of Novell networks using LattisNet back before the IEEE adopted your baby!

Mark

219 posted on 07/24/2012 12:06:38 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Leep
I remember the transition from BBS and the internet being like an exclusive club and the invasion of the bohunk WebTvers.

There were a couple of "transitions" that were available before common public access to the Internet, like Compuserve, Prodigy, and for BBS system, FIDOnet.

I remember those days, as well as the first time I presented by boss with a $100 bill for my CI$ usage!

Mark

220 posted on 07/24/2012 12:12:10 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: matt04; The Great RJ
I am sure it would be at least 20 years behind where it is today or still just a university based curiosity.

Government mandate of IE 6?

Heck, we'd still be using Windows 3.0, Winsock, and Mosaic.

Mark

221 posted on 07/24/2012 12:29:17 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mkjessup

When pros read ‘The Soul of a New Machine’, they immediately went out and shorted the company. Fascinating read, and almost a canonical example of ‘how not to’. However, many others read it and assumed that 80 hour weeks were the way to go. Much buggy software ensued.


222 posted on 07/24/2012 12:29:57 AM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
NeXT OS was sweet, and technically should have won. Sigh.

IIRC, much of NeXT/OS wound up in the modern Mac OS. Aren't both based on CMU's MACH?

As an aside, back in the Windows 3 days, I switched my shell to this NeXTStep (looking) clone, and my Windows desktop looked a lot like it was running on a NeXT.

Mark

223 posted on 07/24/2012 12:38:03 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rdcbn
Researchers in the Silicone Valley

I've done extensive research in the Silicone Valley (see #73), but perhaps you meant the Silicon Valley?

224 posted on 07/24/2012 12:40:36 AM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: Pharmboy

Hmm.. Well, we reverse-engineered the transistor from the Roswell UFO crash, so who knows what else we recovered?
Maybe the basics for the internet, too.


225 posted on 07/24/2012 12:43:38 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bIlluminati

Yeah, it took me a moment or so to figure out where he was going with that one :-).

Enjoy your research. As they say, the journey is the reward.


226 posted on 07/24/2012 1:06:13 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Mycroft Holmes
as well as B & C

Never got to P and L?

Blitter in '73? Sweet. I was laboring with a pair of 4004s. Used them to make music (getting the timing just right) along with some spare klystrons that needed to be tested.

227 posted on 07/24/2012 1:12:04 AM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: mike_9958
Did you have an IP address ?

4.

228 posted on 07/24/2012 1:21:49 AM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: ThomasPaine2000
can you say 300 baud???

Dual speed - 110 AND 300 baud. Could get more out of a homebrew AppleCat.

229 posted on 07/24/2012 1:24:47 AM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: Pharmboy; ntnychik; potlatch; dixiechick2000

I heard the sound of a phone modem the other day, can't remember where.

My grandfather took me up to an entire floor of a building in Columbus, Ohio to a sea of punched card machines fluttering down in blurring stacks like the rain in Africa and the '55 Chevy Nomad was the fascinating development to me.

Later the Commodore 64 with the funny cassette pasting white letters on a black screen, a Sony Trinitron for a monitor.

Credit might be given George Orwell/Eric Blair for the telescreen, but as it was strictly government--IT FAILED.

fubo, fubare, fubavi, fubatus


230 posted on 07/24/2012 1:34:51 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: bIlluminati
When pros read ‘The Soul of a New Machine’, they immediately went out and shorted the company. Fascinating read, and almost a canonical example of ‘how not to’. However, many others read it and assumed that 80 hour weeks were the way to go. Much buggy software ensued.

However there was much sardonic humor when one of those buggy features was discovered, i.e., one of the games included in the Data General software package was the old text-based 'Adventure' where you are inside a mountain and you move with 'forward', 'right', 'left', 'up', 'down', etc., and interact with the various characters that way as well. In one cave there is the word 'xyzzy' on the wall and if you type that in, it 'magically' transports you to another region of the maze. However if you try typing in that word in the wrong area, the game responds with 'nothing happens'. Ok, now the stage is set:

IF, while using the CLI (Command Line Interpreter) under Data General's AOS (or AOS/VS), and you type in the word 'xyzzy', AOS responds the same way: 'nothing happens'.

We laughed many times at n00b computer operators who thought they were quite the whiz at playing 'Adventure' who were nudged into trying the 'magic word' in the real-time AOS-world, LOL
231 posted on 07/24/2012 2:30:00 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: Traveler59

Yes thank you for rekindling my memory -Archie, U of Minn- I stand corrected after scores of years and the memory just ain`t that good anymore/ There was also an archival world-wide newspaper database but I forgot the name.


232 posted on 07/24/2012 9:25:07 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: yldstrk

I agree!


233 posted on 07/24/2012 11:23:49 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: PA-RIVER
Mr. Taylor didn’t build that.

Yeah right! Neither the FR poster I replied said Mr. Taylor built it but he said the company where he worked.

I'm listening to Rush via KNZZ, at 11:20 MST he just mentioned Mr. Taylor's name and Xerox PARC, TCP/IP, etc...

234 posted on 07/24/2012 12:13:53 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy; Jim Robinson

Limbaugh just mentioned Free Republic and Jim Robinson regarding the Internet.


235 posted on 07/24/2012 12:19:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Limbaugh just mentioned Free Republic and Jim Robinson regarding the Internet.

Yeah I did, too. I posted I actually explored on the job a network Xerox DocuTech with keyboard, optical mouse, touch screen, etc...

236 posted on 07/24/2012 12:43:00 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: PhilDragoo; ntnychik

I knew a woman who worked at NASA in the 1960’s and she said the computer there filled a large room. I looked it up and she was right.

http://history.nasa.gov/computers/Computing.html

When the National Aeronautics and Space Administration came into existence in 1958, the stereotypical computer was the “UNIVAC,” a collection of spinning tape drives, noisy printers, and featureless boxes, filling a house-sized room.


237 posted on 07/24/2012 1:19:26 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: All

Who cares who invented it. It’s just a series of tubes according to Arlin Spechter.


238 posted on 07/24/2012 3:47:28 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: bunkerhill7
Could you be referring to the newsgroups? Those were more like bulletin board messages. The Internet Relay Chat (IRC) was real-time chat long before AOL chat and some of these others. IRC was a black hole for me, I'd start into a chat area and come up for breath several hours later.
239 posted on 07/24/2012 5:38:12 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Traveler59

correct


240 posted on 07/25/2012 12:33:57 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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