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Witness: Someone Let Gunman Inside Colorado Movie Theater
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Posted on 07/23/2012 7:31:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz

A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.

He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started.

Here's what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast.

"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

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You know, I hate conspiracies. I really do.

But then there is a major mass shooting JUST PRIOR TO EVERY SINGLE GUN CONTROL EFFORT.

And now this.

It's almost like I simply cannot deny the conspiracy any more, especially after "Fast and Furious" and the Obama's deliberate trafficking in US arms to drug lords. On purpose. To create gun control.

1 posted on 07/23/2012 7:31:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

How do they know it wasnt the shooter himself, who went out, put on his armor. and came back in


2 posted on 07/23/2012 7:34:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Lazamataz

I read aomwwhere that Holmes had 2 roommates. If this is true—where are they?


3 posted on 07/23/2012 7:36:19 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: Lazamataz

The witness didn’t say if the one that went to the door then came back to his seat. If not, that could have been Holmes going out to get the weapons. The information I’m interested in is if they found a ticket stub in his pocket.


4 posted on 07/23/2012 7:36:29 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: silverleaf
Gag Order in effect

You will get the Obama version

5 posted on 07/23/2012 7:36:48 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: silverleaf
How do they know it wasn't the shooter himself, who went out, put on his armor, and came back in?

That, most likely, is what happened.

6 posted on 07/23/2012 7:36:55 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: silverleaf

The police chief in CO seemed to think that this was the scenario. Holmes was the man in the front row who left out the back, suited up in his car outside and re-entered through the emergency door, which he’d propped open or taped so it wouldn’t lock. It seems logical.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 7:38:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Lazamataz

Remember the Movie (and the Book) “Telefon”?


8 posted on 07/23/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: Lazamataz

Conspiracy?

Remember Gabby Gillford’s shooter is a Dem.

And Holmes is a Dem.

Conspire? Or just insane. You know anyone who drinks the Dem Cool-Aid is INSANE or very dumb.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 7:39:43 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Lazamataz

I’ve been hearing this story myself but don’t know what to make of it.

I do know that the emergency exits were our free ticket to the movies in my misspent youth and it usually took someone on the inside to get us in. In fact, most theaters in those days saw the emergency exits as a handy means of clearing the theater quickly between showings.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 7:41:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lazamataz

You know - these guys never operate alone.

Look at Oklahoma City Bombing - I’m convinced that there was a Iraqi Republican Guard link that aided Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholas in the construction and funding of that bomb.

After Reading Jayna Davis’ book - I’m highly convinced.

Look at Sweden (Breivik)- there’s a link going through parts of Europe and into what was left of Lybia and Gaddafi’s Regime.

Yes - there’s a tie to others in this. It just wasn’t Internet searches and buying rogue cookbooks from militia members that got this guy to the point where he launched this attack.

Conspiracy or not - there were others.


11 posted on 07/23/2012 7:41:16 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: silverleaf
The guy said SOMEONE let him into the theater.

Someone includes the shooter himself.

Touche'.

12 posted on 07/23/2012 7:41:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ok, let’s look at this theory:

Suspect buys ticket to get in like everyone else.
Suspectsits down near emergency exit door
Movie starts
Suspect gets up (uses phone call as “decoy”)
Suspect exists out emergency door (note suspects car conviently parked just outside exit door), before exiting suspect blocks door from completely closing. (ensuring he can get back into theater).
Suspect goes to car and gets suited up, loads weapons.
Suspect goes back into theater and starts shooting.

Hence, the “eye witness” did see someone and it WAS the suspect.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 7:42:14 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: txrefugee

Interesting, but isn’t the account in this article at variance with other reports? I thought the attack occurred about 30 minutes into the film, during Batman’s first action scene. Doesn’t this guy say it was as soon as the movie started?


14 posted on 07/23/2012 7:43:02 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Lazamataz
OSW= Democrat and O minions..so it's not so surprising after all. Trying to take peoples minds off “you didn't build that and making Middle
East more radical was starting to show in the polls .the Press beat on this story constantly for past 3 days and now O gets nice positive face time for visiting the victims.
15 posted on 07/23/2012 7:44:24 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Progov

OK, there is a possibility the suspect blocked the door ahead of time as the eye witness described.


16 posted on 07/23/2012 7:44:27 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: silverleaf

It does make sense.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 7:44:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: silverleaf
How do they know it wasnt the shooter himself, who went out, put on his armor. and came back in
For years, the shooter behaved as a classic loner, yet now some would have us believe he decided to take on a partner ... just to open the door ... as if he couldn't figure out how to do it himself. Geeze.
More than likely, you're right.
18 posted on 07/23/2012 7:45:07 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Lazamataz

I heard there was a grassy knoll in the front of the theater.


19 posted on 07/23/2012 7:48:13 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Progov; Williams

I agree that it probably was the suspect himself, going out and coming back. Remember, he had planned to have his apartment detonate at midnight, hoping that this would draw off the police so that when he did start shooting there would be nobody to stop him immediately. What happened, of course, was that the apartment did not explode, the police were at the theater, and in any case, his gun jammed.

I bet his next door neighbor is still shaking at the thought of what might have happened if she had pushed the door all the way open and walked into the apartment when the loud music started to play at midnight (he had timed it to go on at that time, when he would already have been positioning himself in the theater).


20 posted on 07/23/2012 7:51:00 AM PDT by livius
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To: Lazamataz
But then there is a major mass shooting JUST PRIOR TO EVERY SINGLE GUN CONTROL EFFORT.

Is that true? It sounds true, but I don't know. Such a story might be a Pulitzer winner.
Perhaps somebody with the prerequisite skills will do a side by side chart to better illustrate it.

Maybe John Lott of "More Guns, Less Crime" fame will take it up.

21 posted on 07/23/2012 7:54:42 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Lazamataz

It is not outside the realm of possiblity that
our government has departments with operatives
skilled enough to manipulate some borderline
personalities into acts that appear to be of
their own volition, the use of drugs cannot be
ruled out. Even something like Rohypnol that
creates short term amnesia could have been used
with Holms dressed and waiting outside while
the actual shooter completed his task then leaving
to let a stupified Holms be apprehended.

Sounds like something out of Hollywood but it
would be possible.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 7:56:07 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Lazamataz

With all of his detailed sophistication and complex booby traps you have to consider he had help. I just want to know if he worked on the Hope & Change campaign?

Pray for America


23 posted on 07/23/2012 7:57:14 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: scooby321

Yes. Too many people asking questions now. Facts don’t add up. Unemployed college student has thousands of dollars worth of gear, some which is not readily available to civilians. Now the records and evidence related to the case are sealed. The coverup is in progress. Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain. Nothing to see here, now just move along.


24 posted on 07/23/2012 8:00:45 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: mom4kittys
I read aomwwhere that Holmes had 2 roommates. If this is true—where are they?,

I think that was just a rumor. None of his neighbors said anything about roommates. They only say that Holmes was quite, so quite in fact that it was if nobody lived there. The apartment where he lived is only for people affiliated with the University of Colorado at Denver. They are cheap and not all that spacious from what I understand. And since Holmes withdrew from the program in June, he was soon going to be evicted. But I guess he wasn’t looking for a new place to live or worrying about getting his security deposit back.

25 posted on 07/23/2012 8:00:48 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Lazamataz

Century Cinema 14300 East Alameda Avenue, Aurora, CO


26 posted on 07/23/2012 8:03:14 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: silverleaf
Sounds reasonable and perhaps the call was to his mom - it would make sense when you consider her response was, ‘you've got the right guy’.
27 posted on 07/23/2012 8:03:21 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: BCW

Ramadan began Friday.......


28 posted on 07/23/2012 8:05:18 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Don't let reality ruin your day.)
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To: chopperman

I heard on Fox that Holmes did buy a ticket to the show.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 8:12:54 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Progov

That makes sense


30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:14:57 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: BCW
...Timothy McVeigh ...

It always amazed me how quickly he was executed. Most people on Death Row are there for 10, 15 or 20 years before justice is served. How did that happen so fast?

It was almost as if they wanted him out of the way before he exposed others.

31 posted on 07/23/2012 8:17:22 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: livius

All the reporting over the weekend was that the suspect told police about the apartment booby traps, as if he “warned them” about it. I think he was probably gloating about it, thinking incorrectly that his plan had gone off as he’d expected and assuming that he’d pulled one over on the cops. He probably said enough to give them some idea that they needed to check that apartment very carefully.


32 posted on 07/23/2012 8:18:21 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Lazamataz

My experience with phone users is they will make us all listen to their conversations.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 8:19:06 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: toolman1401
Unemployed college student has thousands of dollars worth of gear, some which is not readily available to civilians.

Reports of the value and unavailability have been greatly exaggerated. Some have said it was $20K worth of SWAT gear that civilians can't buy. The reality is what has been described is a couple of thousand tops and easily available to anyone, most at an army/navy store or place like Bass Pro. I figured it out based on descriptions and he would be stretching to spend 3K, far less if he didn't go top of the line. Considering he bought it over months and months, easily done with the help of Aunt Visa and Uncle Mastercard.

34 posted on 07/23/2012 8:19:22 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lazamataz
Alex Jones is convinced that it is a set up.
35 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:45 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Lazamataz

Check his cell phone records.
Check his bank account.


36 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:45 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: MD Expat in PA; mom4kittys
I think that was just a rumor. None of his neighbors said anything about roommates

Very few grad students have roomates unless they want to..they are older and spend serious hours studying and do not want the drama.

It was brought up where he got all his money. Many if not most grad students are employees of the uni aka teaching assistants to the undergrad students or have other paid duties at one time or another.

37 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:52 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Lazamataz
But then there is a major mass shooting JUST PRIOR TO EVERY SINGLE GUN CONTROL EFFORT.

And now this

But if they can control things to such an extent, then why not have the shooter be (pretend to be) a huge NRA supporter? For that matter, why not have him attend some Tea Party events? Certainly if the left really had their way the shooter would have been a Tea Partying NRA card carrying DittoHead shouting things like "down with the left! down with Obama and all minorities! down with gun control!" while being taken into custody or in between shots.

I mean, if they could really orchestrate something like this it seems the easy part would be to tie the guy to the extreme right -- to at least make it appear he had a sudden right-wing conversion just prior to the event...and yet they haven't.

38 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:11 AM PDT by Humbug
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To: toolman1401
Yes. Too many people asking questions now. Facts don’t add up. Unemployed college student has thousands of dollars worth of gear, some which is not readily available to civilians. Now the records and evidence related to the case are sealed. The coverup is in progress. Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain. Nothing to see here, now just move along.

Where are you getting your information? Everything Holmes purchased over the last several months is readily available to just about anyone; some if it on-line, except perhaps for a tear gas canister he used inside the theater but then it could have been homemade with regularly available household chemicals.

He did have a job until recently from what I understand, working in the medical research lab at the medical school, had a job at McDonalds’ for a time and he had a educational grant – those grants often pay for housing and other living expenses over the cost of books and tuition, and credit card companies love to give college students credit cards. A few cc’s, some unspent grant money, some $$ from home – his parents were not exactly poor BTW and viola – he could have easily purchase everything he used. And while the booby traps in his apartment were sophisticated, the trip wires and such, the actual “bombs” themselves were not all that sophisticated or advanced. Mostly bottles of gasoline and some firework canisters he modified in some manner.

39 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:45 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Lazamataz

“... I hate conspiracies. I really do”.

Me, too. However, NOTHING surprises me anymore. Could the one man have left his weapons/body gear outside the door? Sure. Could someone been contacted to give the murderer access to the theater? Sure. I’m afraid that I am so jaded anymore that anything is possible and we will never know the truth. (hate to be that jaded but I am).


40 posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:54 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: cripplecreek

We did the same thing in the 50s, but in the 60s, those doors had *claxon alarms* wired to them w/ warning signs, and we’d alert the whole damned theater and security-usher guys. LOL. I haven’t been to an actual movie theater in 35+yrs, so I don’t know how/if they’re wired these days.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 8:25:58 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: mom4kittys

There is a video from a Denver news station that reported on a “person of interest” who was a cohort of Holmes at the university. He, I believe, is the one with two roommates. Someone posted the link on FR yesterday. Try searching “interest” under titles and you might find it, if you’re lucky.;-)


42 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:15 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: chopperman

This is what bothers me. The very first reports describe an “Indian male” as a suspect. That doesn’t really match the description of the shooter, If anything they might have decribed him as having bright red hair. They didn’t. I understand that when he was shooting, he had a hemet on and the room was filled with smoke so I doubt they would say he was “indian” based on what was seen during the shooting. The police said he was still in riot gear when they found him. All I want to know is who was this “indian male” and why did witnesses think he had something to do with this?

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/US/74rc5fqev/Aurora-Colorado-Indian-Male-Suspect-in-Shooting-Rampage.htm


43 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:37 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: JohnG45

It always amazed me how quickly he was executed. Most people on Death Row are there for 10, 15 or 20 years before justice is served. How did that happen so fast?

He didn’t appeal the sentences. That saves a TON of time.


44 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:52 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Humbug
But if they can control things to such an extent, then why not have the shooter be (pretend to be) a huge NRA supporter? For that matter, why not have him attend some Tea Party events? Certainly if the left really had their way the shooter would have been a Tea Partying NRA card carrying DittoHead shouting things like "down with the left! down with Obama and all minorities! down with gun control!" while being taken into custody or in between shots.

EXCELLENT point. This is a great point that pretty much debunks the conspiracy angle. You KNOW they would do this.

45 posted on 07/23/2012 8:29:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: All

Another very interesting new thing I learned last night was that a student from his school called the police and “told them something would happen if they did not release the suspect.” The police did question the person and let them go! This was revealed on Judge Jeanine on Fox News last night by Michelle Sigona, Investigative Crime Reporter, who talked to Detective Lucy with Aurora police dept.. (I tape a lot with my VCR so got her name.) I do not know how to spell the name of the student but it sounded like Juan Paul Lee or Won Paul Lee. Something like that.


46 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:12 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: momtothree
However, NOTHING surprises me anymore. Could the one man have left his weapons/body gear outside the door? Sure

Many are reading way too much into this tragedy...he did not have to leave his stuff outside the door..his car was parked 25 feet away...


47 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:15 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: mountainlion
Alex Jones is convinced that it is a set up.

And Alex Jones is a few Fruit Loops short of a bowl of cereal.

48 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: silverleaf

That is what I think happened. It wasn’t another person - it was Holmes.


49 posted on 07/23/2012 8:35:38 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: trailhkr1
Very few grad students have roomates unless they want to..they are older and spend serious hours studying and do not want the drama.

It was brought up where he got all his money. Many if not most grad students are employees of the uni aka teaching assistants to the undergrad students or have other paid duties at one time or another

Exactly. Until recently he had a job in the research lab at the medical school. And he had a NIH grant. These types of grants often pay for more than just books and tuition; they often include stipends for housing and living expenses and are periodically paid out in lump sums. It wasn’t as if he was concerned about paying back his unused grant money after he dropped out of the program just last month. Along with a few credit cards which credit card companies love to offer to college students, along with some careful budgeting and planning, he could have easily had enough money to purchase what he did over the last three months or so.

50 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:20 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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