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Penn State football slammed with NCAA sanctions
ESPN ^ | July 23, 2012, 11:30 AM ET | Associated Press

Posted on 07/23/2012 10:50:35 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama

INDIANAPOLIS -- Penn State football was all but leveled Monday by an NCAA ruling that wiped away 14 years of coach Joe Paterno's victories and imposed a mountain of fines and penalties, crippling a program whose pedophile assistant coach spent uncounted years molesting children, sometimes on university property. The sanctions by the governing body of college sports, which capped eight months of turmoil on the central Pennsylvania campus, stopped short of delivering the "death penalty" of shutting down the sport. But the NCAA hit Penn State with $60 million in fines, ordered it out of the postseason for four years, and will cap scholarships at 20 below the normal limit for four years. The school also will be on probation for five years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: ncaa; paterno; pedstate; pennstate; sandusky
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Not nearly enough. Pedophile State should have gotten the Death Penalty, albeit a permanent one. A disgraceful day for the NCAA.
1 posted on 07/23/2012 10:50:45 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses; Nachum; shibumi; MestaMachine

Ping!


2 posted on 07/23/2012 10:52:36 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
Time Machine Pictures, Images and Photos

No death penalty, but they used their NCAA certified time machine to change game scores...

3 posted on 07/23/2012 10:55:03 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Now we need to find out if the whitewash extended to Michael Mann and the global warming hokey stick investigation. Strike while the the mood of the country has doubts!!


4 posted on 07/23/2012 10:55:14 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

They got off easy. The best punishment possible now is if top players don’t want to be associated with a stigmatized program and leave and/or don’t ever sign on.


5 posted on 07/23/2012 10:55:22 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once a land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
"Not nearly enough."

If Penn State had even a modicum of decency left anywhere they would kill their program themselves.
They may have been given an opportunity to try to redeem themselves in front of the nation and they decided to just wait it out until they could resume football full-bore.
Any college that plays them from here on out should be also held to scorn.

6 posted on 07/23/2012 10:56:52 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

“Slammed”??? Hardly!!!

This University put its “program” knowingly and willfully above the safety of innocent children. The collusion was at the highest levels.

4 years of not being able to be in bowls, and some money and paper stripping of past records is hardly being slammed!

NCAA is nothing but whores. How can you remotely allow the program to sill function under your name knowing what we now know????? This is a university that knowingly, willfully and wantonly sacrificed innocent young boys to protect its program.

I know the players had nothing to do with it, and they will suffer if the program is killed, but that’s no excuse, they need BANISHED from the NCAA forever.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 10:57:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Well its obvious the NCAA is not going to do the right thing on its own, just like Penn State wasn’t going to do the right thing on its own, until it was pressured... so the question is, how if any way, can the NCAA be shamed into doing the right thing????


8 posted on 07/23/2012 10:58:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Nowhere near enough is right!

This is not a serious enough penalty for the crimes that were comitted, the unethical behavior and, most of all, the harm that was done to innocents.

But, it’s all about money, not justice.

NCAA used the scandal as an excuse to gobble up $60,000,000 before the courts can award it to the victims.
But they let Penn State keep playing football to make sure the revenue stream dosn’t dry up.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 10:59:12 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: HamiltonJay
4 years of not being able to be in bowls, and some money and paper stripping of past records is hardly being slammed!

Especially since the only bowl they probably would have gone to would have been the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl.

10 posted on 07/23/2012 10:59:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Hit ‘em again, hit ‘em again! Harder! Harder!

Depending on the blowback on NCAA this may not be the last word.


11 posted on 07/23/2012 11:01:10 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: HamiltonJay

What it did was to make sure that Paterno’s Legacy could never be used as a selling point in the future, and that’s pretty big.

What do you think Alabama would be today, if they didn’t have The Bear’s Legacy to sell?


12 posted on 07/23/2012 11:01:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Absolutely Nobama

BS
This has NOTHING to do with any sport etc violations and the NCAA should butt out

This is a case of CIVIL law being violated and those guilty should be brought to justice and punished

PS I am not a PSU alumni


13 posted on 07/23/2012 11:03:34 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Iron Munro

All of the money is going towards charities to help and prevent child abuse.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 11:04:45 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Snickering Hound

Well, as long there was a plan..... (SARC)

They should have zeroed out all of Paterno’s wins and excluded him from the NCAA record book.


15 posted on 07/23/2012 11:05:15 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: q_an_a

Hey, why not ? Justice is overrated. /s


16 posted on 07/23/2012 11:07:29 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: uncbob

PSU is part of the NCAA. They have bylaws for all members.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 11:07:38 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
All of the money is going towards charities to help and prevent child abuse.

They'd better account for every single penny.

18 posted on 07/23/2012 11:09:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

I agree completely. If even a dollar is unaccounted for, there will be trouble.


19 posted on 07/23/2012 11:11:15 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: crosshairs

“The best punishment possible now is if top players don’t want to be associated with a stigmatized program and leave and/or don’t ever sign on.”

But will they ? If a kid is a starter at a Division I program, he’s not going to jeopardize that, especially with the chance that it could parlay into a spot on an NFL roster.

The NCAA should have manned up and killed Ped State football permanently.

Other schools, like SMU, got the Death Penalty for a whole lot less.


20 posted on 07/23/2012 11:13:02 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: dfwgator

No, what they did was cop out! The NCAA as of today has shown itself to be nothing more than an associate member of NAMBLA.

To allow this “university” to engage in ANY sport under the NCAA banner ever again showed abject cowardice.

The school, at its highest levels KNEW they were choosing protecting their program over the past and future safety of innocent children. PERIOD. This wasn’t one person, or a low level staffer, this was a consipracy that went to the highest levels of the school.

Allowing them to continue to play ANY sport under the NCAA banner shows that the NCAA is a joke, and frankly cares no more about those victims, than Penn State did.


21 posted on 07/23/2012 11:13:12 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Iron Munro

Amen to that brother- when I first heard rumours of this fine all I could think is that where does this come from? what is the economic justification.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 11:14:20 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I grew up on college football and NCAA Sports. I went to my first Notre Dame game in 1957, at the age of 9.

The whole world of “college sports” is now dead to me, along with my alma mater.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 11:15:00 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

SMU gets caught with recruiting violations and gets the death penalty......NCAA is a joke!!!


24 posted on 07/23/2012 11:15:30 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Absolutely Nobama

While doling out a punishment, all they are affecting are people who had no part in the original crime. They are all gone and will not be affected by these punishments.


25 posted on 07/23/2012 11:15:51 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Psalm 73

“If Penn State had even a modicum of decency left anywhere they would kill their program themselves.”

The alumni would never allow it. Forget about education or doing the right thing, it’s all about Division I $$$ and Big Ten $$$$.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, FYI.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 11:17:31 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: HamiltonJay

+1 !!


27 posted on 07/23/2012 11:19:11 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: ontap

The bottom line is

SMU- Minimal impact on the Dallas economy

Penn State - The entire Happy Valley economy relies on Penn State football.

That’s why SMU got the DP and PSU didn’t. Bottom line.


28 posted on 07/23/2012 11:23:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: EEGator

What NCAA bylaw’s cover sex crimes? Why is the NCAA even involved? Again the most useless organization in existence, the NCAA, is punishing folks that had nothing to do with the scandal. The new coaches, the players, the community and surrounding economy, the other sports teams, had NOTHING to do with what went on. They will pay the price. Meanwhile, the fiends, some of them anyway, will get pensions and go on there merry way. I know the Penn State haters won’t be happy unless State College is wiped off the face of the earth, however, to celebrate the meddling of a corrupt institution like the NCAA is pathetic.

The Catholic Church is giving thanks today that the NCAA does not have the power to fine and punish it. Imagine those sanctions!


29 posted on 07/23/2012 11:23:18 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: HamiltonJay

“...so the question is, how if any way, can the NCAA be shamed into doing the right thing????”

Good question. I wish I had an answer.


30 posted on 07/23/2012 11:24:10 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
While doling out a punishment, all they are affecting are people who had no part in the original crime.

That is the shame of it. The innocent will pay the price of the guilty.

Unfortunately, I can't think of a different mode of punishment that could filter them out.

31 posted on 07/23/2012 11:24:21 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Might help the Boy Scoutsto hold up this story every time someone asks why don’t you let gays be scout masters?


32 posted on 07/23/2012 11:24:36 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: q_an_a

On learning of “Mann’s” collusion in the Global Warming scam, I wrote an email to PSU demanding he be fired. I got an email back addressed to “Dear Citizen of the Globe”....immediately thereafter I began throwing away any resume froma prospective engineering candidate who had graduated from PSU. I hired at least 10 engineers during that period - not one of them was from PSU.

In what I see as a climate of “protect the university, first - at all costs,” even this $60 Million Dollar slap on the wrist is not enough. The NCAA death penalty should be the death penalty - not money, but complete removal of football - for at least a generation.

This hurts ‘innocent’ students and alumni? BS. I contend the very enthusiastic and unbridled support for the ‘program’ contributed significantly to the administration’s need ‘get it off the radar screen’, put it away to protect the image and income. It’s a game, folks - not a friggin religion - no messiah here - just evil people who allowed young boys to be raped, repeatedly. That statue should be pulverized and then melted down into several dozen symbolic pairs of prision shackles if you ask me.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 11:25:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LeonardFMason
What NCAA bylaw’s cover sex crimes?

Not per se, but it was covering up to protect the football program. The primary motivation was to protect the image of the football program, so they could continue to recruit blue-chip players. So basically, Penn State, by covering up Sandusky's actions, were able to get players they otherwise would not have gotten. So what's the difference between that, and any other recruiting violation? The idea is to entice players to play for your school that otherwise would not have played there.

34 posted on 07/23/2012 11:26:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Iron Munro

“But, it’s all about money, not justice.”

Bingo.


35 posted on 07/23/2012 11:26:38 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: LeonardFMason

The NCAA as a leader of moral authority is beyond a joke!


36 posted on 07/23/2012 11:27:21 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: shibumi

Agreed. It’s a grotesque mess now. I’m not watching college football this year, and I’m fairly certain I’ll never watch again.

Go Midshipmen....without me.


37 posted on 07/23/2012 11:30:25 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: dfwgator; LeonardFMason

There is also a code of conduct and disciplinary rules in the NCAA bylaws. I also think it is up to a University to join the NCAA or not.


38 posted on 07/23/2012 11:32:48 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: LeonardFMason

Gratuitous insult. Disgusting.


39 posted on 07/23/2012 11:33:08 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: uncbob; EEGator

I’m fairly certain covering up heinous crimes is against the bylaws. Just sayin’


40 posted on 07/23/2012 11:34:40 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Gaffer

good for you and Thanks for what you are doing. Maybe a little PR on this topic via some of the “college bubble” folks like instapundit would help to spread the concept and get PSU to take a look - cause their grads are screaming!!! Yea for you.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 11:37:44 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: q_an_a

Couldn’t agree more. If this story doesn’t show how evil homosexuality is, I don’t know what does.


42 posted on 07/23/2012 11:37:44 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Aside from the suspensions, loss of scholarships, fines, etc. not being enough to compensate the children victims of Sandusky, there is something further that can be done for the other innocent victims in the football program.
PSU should be required to give the full unrealized value of the scholarships of their players toward scholarships at other institutions and the players should be free to go whethever they are wanted - funded by PSU. Those scholarships should be exempt from the maximum number of scholarships the other teams are allowed to offer.

The players havve been hosed big time


43 posted on 07/23/2012 11:38:58 AM PDT by jupiterbob
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I agree with you. See my post 38.


44 posted on 07/23/2012 11:39:33 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: bigbob

I hope you’re right.


45 posted on 07/23/2012 11:39:35 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: jupiterbob
The players havve been hosed big time

Those kids Sandusky abused were hosed much worse. The innocent always pay for others' sins.

46 posted on 07/23/2012 11:40:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Absolutely Nobama
I don't think the NCAA has that power and I predict a few lawsuits challenging their application of those actions.A special investigation by Louis Freeh is not due process and I would expect Paterno’s family to go after the NCAA for the portion of the ruling directly pertaining to their interests.
47 posted on 07/23/2012 11:40:35 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Imposing huge fines on a State University means they will just be coming after me, the taxpayer, to make up the difference.


48 posted on 07/23/2012 11:41:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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A special investigation by Louis Freeh is not due process

Penn State commissioned the Freeh Report, and agreed to go along with whatever its' findings were. That fact, probably saved Penn State from even worse penalties.

49 posted on 07/23/2012 11:42:17 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: EEGator

Rock on, brother!


50 posted on 07/23/2012 11:45:23 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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