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Did Investigator Mike Zullo Rely On 1969 Code #9 for Obama's COLB Or Code #9 from 1961?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf ^

Posted on 07/23/2012 9:21:28 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP

Hello. My name is Fred Garvin-MP. I recently watched the Maricopa County Sheriff Department's press conference. It was intriguing to say the least. What caught my attention were the coding numbers on the document put on the White House server for all Americans to see. The code #9 was the essential 'nail in the coffin' that confirmed the PDF version of the birth certificate was a 'definite' forgery.

Now two pro Obama websites claim that lead Investigator Mike Zullo used the meaning of code #9 from a 1969 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual instead of a manual from 1961. Is this true? One meaning for code #9 is different that the other code #9 and that is giving Obama supporting websites ammunition to claim Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse got it wrong. To clear this up we need answers. I am sure most of you agree.

Here is the 1961 layout: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf

Here is the 1969 layout : http://www.nber.org/natality/1969/Nat1969-71doc.pdf

Fred Garvin-MP


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; immigration; mikezullo; naturalborncitizen; obama; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 07/23/2012 9:21:35 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

I thought the de-coding of the #9 was achieved through discussion with VK Lee who actually signed the document?


2 posted on 07/23/2012 9:23:42 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

what of the “Little Buttercup” connection, that 95 year old lady who explained how she had coded them in the day? she didn’t cite a manual did she?


3 posted on 07/23/2012 9:24:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

As I recall from watching the same conference, Zullo did mention two different codes and they had to find the one for the time the BC was generated.

The other thing is why would you believe anything coming from a pro-Obama site in the first place?


4 posted on 07/23/2012 9:30:33 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Smoke and Mirrors! Fog the issue! change the subject. That is what the left does!


5 posted on 07/23/2012 9:33:12 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Fred Garvin-MP
What page exactly shows the coding from your http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf link?

I got into a discussion about this on this thread and I saw no coding explained whatsoever in that file.

If I missed it I sure would appreciate you telling me which page it's on.

6 posted on 07/23/2012 9:34:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Yes we need answers. And if possible debunk the debunkers.

Just so you know....there is a technique used by the left. It is called BenSmithing. Basically what they do is when we on the right come up with a story that makes the left look bad, they then do a “so called” investigation on it and in their investigation they either lie or distort the facts but then everyone refers back the the investigation/story as being factual.

Look it up....kinda interesting.

Yes, Ben Smith is the one that started it.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 9:34:47 PM PDT by Jayster
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Don’t be too happy. fFed Garvin- Male Prostitute was a Dan Ackroyd charecter from the old Saturday Night Live program.


8 posted on 07/23/2012 9:36:14 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP; All

Also, 07/08/12 as your date joining FreeRepublic? Sniff, sniff . . . . . . get my drift?


9 posted on 07/23/2012 9:38:12 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

One of those pro-Obama sites uses a document that allegedly describes the race codes for 1960-1961, except that the Natality Report for 1960 reports that race was more simply classified than it was in 1961 ... and the pro-Obama document source is from an agency that wasn’t created until 1963. We know that Obama has had documents forged on his behalf (see the Bomford birth certificate), so the legitimacy of this code document is suspect at best.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 9:42:30 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Fred Garvin-MP
And since you've done such a good job in finding the distinct '69-'71 Natality Processing info might I ask how your search goes in finding the same info covering the year '61?

It would be nice to see it also for comparison instead of something completely different, which is what your first link is IMO, and has nothing whatsoever about the coding therein like your second link does that I can see.

11 posted on 07/23/2012 9:42:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

When they show me a document explaining that a #9 code for race means “African”, than I will be impressed.


12 posted on 07/23/2012 9:46:59 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

From what I gathered watching the news conference Mike Zullo used the meaning of code #9 from a 1961 but whoever forged the birth certificate was going by a more recent code system not yet developed at the time of Obama’s Birth.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 9:49:06 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Surely that’s not how Negro was denoted at the time?


14 posted on 07/23/2012 9:49:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

The Number 9 in the year 1962 means “Male Prostitute”


15 posted on 07/23/2012 9:50:20 PM PDT by Jayster
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To: Dr. Sivana
Since the race "African" was already listed in the document there should not have been a number beside it.

I think "Negro" may have been used in the 1960s.

16 posted on 07/23/2012 9:51:23 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Amazing that Obama wishes to talk about the details in his Birth Certificate but fails to release the authentic and legitimate one. It’s on microfiche. All he has to do is allow the investigators to look at it and it’s over. Finished. Case closed (for one side or the other).


17 posted on 07/23/2012 9:57:06 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan

In the south the word was “niggra” or “colored”. In the sixties the blacks started asking “Who are colored people?” I thought that was pretty slick of them.


18 posted on 07/23/2012 9:58:16 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: tsowellfan

Correct, Zullo made mention that the “African” race designation was not used until 1968.

Do we have a troll amongst us? I mean if Fred really wanted to know, wouldn’t he/she/it have just read both documents and reported just where he/she/it found the discrepancies? Never mind all of the other problems with that one section alone. Obviously this particular point has someone very exercised at the moment.


19 posted on 07/23/2012 9:59:22 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Or did he use Code 9 from Outer Space?

Sorry, I could not resist.

(I’m a birther)


20 posted on 07/23/2012 9:59:25 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: mazda77

Please don’t say sniff, sniff when talking about Fred.

Not with his urban dictionary entry.....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Fred+Garvin+MP

Just. Please. Don’t.


21 posted on 07/23/2012 10:01:19 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: mazda77

That MP surely does not mean Member of Parliament.

I too smell grody troll with underwear fungus.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 10:03:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Sheriff Joe Arpaio Press Conference FULL VIDEO 7.17.12

http://youtu.be/w3KBv735ko4


23 posted on 07/23/2012 10:03:36 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Welcome to FReeRepublic. We hope you will enjoy your experience here.
It is always beneficial that FReepers fill out their homepage so fellow readers will know a little about you and add the State you are from.
Enjoy


24 posted on 07/23/2012 10:03:53 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: tsowellfan

The father’s race, if it was legitimately entered as “African” most likely would have been coded as 2 - Black. The vital statistics report said: “a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group” ... I’m pretty sure that if the Hawaiian registrar saw African on a birth certificate, they would have assumed it was Negro and would have coded it as No. 2.


25 posted on 07/23/2012 10:05:38 PM PDT by edge919
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To: mojo114

There are a few gay blades on FR, but they sure don’t swish those blades in others’ faces. That’s a way to get pounced on with twenty feline claws in a hurry.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 10:06:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP; Brown Deer; LucyT; hoosiermama

Did you watch the press conference?
Honestly, it wouldn’t even matter much which one they used as the term “African” would never have been used in that square in 1961. It becomes more concerning when one compares the #9 from the earlier manual (the one in use at the time) because it indicates “No Information Given”, which means that square should have been EMPTY, same with the other square.

BTW: Welcome to FR!
May I inquire what the “MP” stands for? Military Police, or something else?

PING to the thread...


27 posted on 07/23/2012 10:07:12 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

not going to look through 246 pages of tables to try and figure out what he is talking about


28 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:16 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; administrator; moder_ator

Is it Moderator, Administrator or what that we report this stuff to? The next signature is our buddy Fred has not come back to make any counter points. Unusual for someone asking us for answers.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:28 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: philman_36

It might also be of interest to note - are these the SPECIFIC HAWAIIAN codes? Hawaii was in a different system during the time they were transitioning, IIRC. You need to look at the specific Hawaiian code indexes. (I tried to look at the CDC link, but it was taking forever to download.)

BTW: I totally agree with you - I smell ozone like crazy off of this one...


30 posted on 07/23/2012 10:11:43 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Jim Robinson

i believe this is troll exterminator central? surely a Male Prostitute (see Urban Dictionary) can join some raccoons in their oblivion?


31 posted on 07/23/2012 10:15:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Puts hair on your chest to post and then reply.


32 posted on 07/23/2012 10:16:48 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP
And can you tell me, if the 69-71 coding was used and the "DETAIL RACE OF MOTHER" is the "Same codes as Detail Race of Father", why is there...what is that...@an "a"...next to the Mother's place of birth instead of a 1?

The same thing goes for FATHER'S EDUCATION - DETAIL Same code structure as Mother's Detail Education (pgs 16 and 17)
What should the code number be for his education according to the 69-71 coding if that is what was used as a reference?

Just curious and I'm far from knowledgeable on this whole coding thingy. It's all so much harder to figure it out when one doesn't have it all nice and neat like with your 69-71 link.

33 posted on 07/23/2012 10:17:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP; TheOldLady
Um-hm... Keep talking....


34 posted on 07/23/2012 10:20:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: machogirl

you’re more manly than that troll, ma’am!


35 posted on 07/23/2012 10:20:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

Is your retirement a defined pension or defined benefit? Just wondering.


36 posted on 07/23/2012 10:23:39 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Surely that’s not how Negro was denoted at the time?

My little brother was born in Los Angeles County, CA in 1961. Where it says 'race of father' on his bc, it says 'negro'.

Some politically correct forger inserted 'African' on Obie's bc. No one would have put that on an American child's bc in 1961.

I highly doubt if anyone would today.

37 posted on 07/23/2012 10:24:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Obama knows all about this and doesn’t even care. It’s like “ha ha ha, I punked you, now you should have known better to ask for it Naughty America!”


38 posted on 07/23/2012 10:26:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Fred Garvin-MP

To clear this up we need answers. I am sure most of you agree.

Yes answers would be nice, why not ask the CCP?
Here we can only speculate without more information. It does look like they may have made an error without having more information to go on. If so IMO htey should own up to it. These things happen in complex investigations, I doubt it was intentional as that would be foolish.

The other side is putting out a bunch of nonsense that other things have been debunked and IMO have not.

OJ still did it even if the glove did not fit. Its one piece of a ton of evidence.


39 posted on 07/23/2012 10:28:21 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: LibertyRocks; Fred Garvin-MP
welcome Fred.
FYI when we were first doing research the term Afrikan pointed to a birth record from several countries on the continent whose government procedures dated back to the Dutch spice routes. Kenya, South Africa and a couple of others use/used three terms to designate race. AfriKan was used for those who were descendant of one of the native tribes. Another term was used for Europeans and a third, derived from the same root word as mulatto for those of mixed heritage.
40 posted on 07/23/2012 10:28:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: LibertyRocks
Yeah, not a very good post. For instance...Now two pro Obama websites claim...
Well, which two? And why give any credence to what they claim?
If they have proof then that's another story.

Seems these two "pro Obama websites" are just making a @WAG. (snicker...'windage')

41 posted on 07/23/2012 10:28:50 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

lol
Only members of the Royal Order of the Freeperhood can post without replying.


42 posted on 07/23/2012 10:31:57 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Obama knows all about this and doesn’t even care.

I wouldn't be so sure. Inserting the word 'African' in the blank for 'race of father' was a blunder of monumental proportions, and all the little henchmen in Obie's cabal know it.

I can guarantee you, they were none too pleased when they all realized the mistake.

Their people's forging skills haven't gotten any better, though. Some fool forgot to flatten the image, and left all sorts of telltale marks, when they created Obama's LFBC. Rank amateurs...

43 posted on 07/23/2012 10:33:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Fred Garvin-MP; 50mm; darkwing104

I’m curious as to how your trusses are staying up? Is Slick still your pimp? That’s a mighty long career you’ve had, you know you didn’t build that right?

Definitely zot bait here...


44 posted on 07/23/2012 10:34:52 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: hoosiermama; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
See post #s 8&9...

Just sayin'...

45 posted on 07/23/2012 10:34:53 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1280 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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46 posted on 07/23/2012 10:39:57 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: mazda77

That is the correct date I joined. I haven’t made a thread until now.


47 posted on 07/23/2012 10:45:36 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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To: mazda77

It says my posts have to be checked by a moderator before being posted. That is why I am having a delay answering you.


48 posted on 07/23/2012 10:45:47 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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To: LibertyRocks

Is it possible the CCP used the Hawaiian Codes then?


49 posted on 07/23/2012 10:46:06 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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To: edge919

Thank you for that reply.


50 posted on 07/23/2012 10:46:26 PM PDT by Fred Garvin-MP
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