Skip to comments.Pat Toomey and Howard Dean debate the ‘fiscal cliff’
Posted on 07/23/2012 9:51:42 PM PDT by neverdem
Senator Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) guest-hosted the Squawk Box on CNBC this morning, and held an illuminating exchange with former governor and Democrat presidential candidate Howard Dean concerning the approaching fiscal cliff of our swelling national debt, combined with tax hikes on January 1 that could very well push this fragile economy all the way into recession:
Dean offered the standard Democrat party line that massive tax increases would be necessary to rescue us from the profligate spending habits of yesterdays liberals who were, according to this line of thinking, imposing stealth tax increases on the unlucky citizens of the future. They didnt have to admit they were jacking up taxes, because all of their programs were funded with magical deficit money. This allowed them to pretend they were showing the populace with free benefits that no one had to pay for. They didnt have to confront the dependents of other government spending programs and regretfully inform them that scarce government resources were being diverted to new spending priorities. They simply ran up the national credit cards, and now they present the flaccid bulk of their unsustainable debt as leverage to demand more taxes.
One reason its important to give liberals absolutely zero in new taxes is the importance of sending the message that their profligacy will not be rewarded. The tactic of busting the budget, and then whining about greedy millionaires, must never be validated.
Frankly, we dont have a tax problem, Toomey said on CNBC. The current tax regime, thats been in place for 12 years now as recently as 2007, we had a deficit that was only 1.2 percent of GDP.
Dean countered with a perfect recitation of the socialist death spiral: its silly to say we cant have tax increases in a recession, because recessions increase dependency on government programs, so weve got to pull even more money out of the collapsing economy to fund them. In fact, the Associated Press had a story today about how the official poverty rate is about to hit a half-century high. Is our goal to reduce the number of poor people with economic vibrancy, or cripple our economy to provide a more extensive social safety net?
And at any rate, its silly to characterize Barack Obamas mad spending spree, or the tidal wave of money shoveled out by the Democrats since they took over Congress in 2006, as welfare spending for the destitute. A great deal of that money went to well-heeled business interests, hungry for politically fashionable subsidies.
Howard Dean is a perfect representative of the dead-end Democrat future, in which the limitless greed of a failed government transcends common sense to make increasingly shrill demands. Hes even deranged enough to try claiming the Democrats dont control the Senate! And he says, with a smirk, that going off the fiscal cliff would be a good thing, because his power-hungry Party thinks the resulting economic devastation will subdue the American peoples resistance to further government expansion.
To hear Dean talk, you wouldnt think a small minority of high-income people are currently paying most of the taxes in this country. Youd almost forget the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress for the first two years of the Obama presidency, and squandered their influence on the horrific failure of ObamaCare a program designed to hook the middle class into government dependency, rather than helping the poor and destitute.
Compare what Dean and Toomey say in this clip, and ask yourself which of the two sounds intransigent, ideologically rigid, and out of touch with reality.
Liberals all use the Dialectic to force change.
Change is progress. Except when conservatives try to change things, liberals always frame it as going backwards (turning back the hands of the clock),....
Change requires lots of money. Liberal change equates to more money and new programs.
If you cut spending, you are destroying liberal progress. Without more and more money, liberal change cannot continue further.
That is why liberals are never for spending cuts to social programs. Cuts destroy progress. Eliminating liberal programs destroys progress. Turns things in the opposite directions of liberal progress, because that’s what was there BEFORE the liberal programs existed - no spending.
Liberals will say “and now with no money the problems will still exist.” One must quickly counter that the liberal solutions of the last 40 years spending trillions of dollars tackling these problems have not only left us with the very same problems we were assured would be fixed for far less money but now we have the same problems PLUS mountains of debt generated by these liberal “solutions”.
But this is why the spending must end. Programs must be pared back and ended. The richest and most ungrateful poor in the world live here. They demand to be taken care of, they expect it, they believe they are entitled to it because of any number of reasons. That is other peoples’ money who work, being confiscated and transferred to them for no other reason is that they were for any number of reasons not able to earn it on their own.
This is why no liberals are for any social spending cuts and will never work to reduce baseline budgeting. Any reductions negates liberal change/progress because all liberal progress requires more spending via social programs. They never will cut anyt social programs because this will negate liberal change/progress. It’s why they don’t even keep things at the same levels year to year, they add in automatic increases each year.
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I’m, more and more, coming to the conclusion that conservatives and Republicans should wait until the new Congress convenes in January 2013 to address the tax extension issues. There’s no way we should compromise with the Democrats and Obama either now or in the lame duck session. 2013 would not be the first time that a tax reduction/tax reform was passed and was retroactive to the first of the year.
Let’s not give the anti-American Democrats a DAMN THING other than to show them the door.
—”Im, more and more, coming to the conclusion that conservatives and Republicans should wait until the new Congress convenes in January 2013 to address the tax extension issues.”
Good point I hadn’t thought of. Of course, some people could have parents die in January 2013 and lose a load of their inheritance to taxes, but overall, this is probably a wise strategy because we’ll take a lot of seats in congress and hopefully ObamaThug will be ousted.
i don’t know if i should laugh, cry or glock his rear end
They’ll be debating as they are falling off the cliff. Maybe the sudden stop at the bottom will end the debate.
May not be the smartest thing to talk about “glocking” people. Just FRiendly advice.