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An Electric Car That Actually Goes Far?
ScienceNOW ^ | 19 July 2012 | Robert F. Service

Posted on 07/24/2012 2:48:37 AM PDT by neverdem

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Stable Ride. The performance of new lithium-air batteries is nearly unchanged after 100 charge and discharge cycles, which could bode well for their future use in electric vehicles.
Credit: (car) Tony Hisgett/ Wikimedia;(graph) Adapted from Z. Peng et al., Science

Researchers have long had high hopes for lithium-air batteries, a device that has the potential to store 10 times more energy than the best lithium-ion batteries on the market today. But so far, lithium-air batteries have been unstable, falling apart after a few charges. Now researchers report that they've made the first stable lithium-air batteries. If the batteries can leap other hurdles needed to make them practical, they may one day give electric cars a driving range similar to today's gas guzzlers.

For lithium-air batteries to operate, several different components all need to work together. As they discharge, lithium atoms at a lithium metal electrode called the anode are stripped of electrons, turning them into mobile lithium ions. These ions then float through a conductive solution, or electrolyte, to a second electrode, called the cathode, where they combine with electrons in the cathode as well as oxygen atoms from the air to generate lithium oxide. When the batteries are plugged into an electrical outlet, the added voltage drives the reaction in reverse, recharging the battery. For the cycle to work, however, the electrodes and electrolytes must be stable.

But that hasn't been the case in early versions of these cells. The carbon used to make the cathodes and the different electrolytes researchers have tried so far undergo unwanted side reactions, falling apart and quickly causing the battery to fail after just a few charge and discharge cycles.

So for their current work, researchers led by Peter Bruce, a chemist at the University of St Andrews in the United Kingdom, opted to swap out both of the previous offenders. They replaced the conventional carbon-based cathode material with one made from inert gold nanoparticles that they hoped would be more stable. They also replaced the electrolyte—previously made from compounds called polycarbonates or polyethers—with one made from a common conductive solvent abbreviated DMSO that previous studies had shown may be less prone to react at the cathode. The new combo worked. As the team reports online today in Science, the new batteries were stable for 100 charge and discharge cycles with only a 5% loss of power.

"The results are very encouraging in showing that it's not all hopeless," to try to make lithium-air batteries, says Linda Nazar, a chemist at the University of Waterloo in Canada. But Nazar and others are quick to add that the new lithium-air batteries aren't yet ready for commercialization. For starters, Nazar says, gold is too heavy and too expensive to serve as the only cathode material in a practical cell. And over time, DMSO can react with lithium metal at the anode causing the electrolyte to break down. So even though the new results are heartening for the field, considerable work still lies ahead to make lithium-air batteries a real world technology.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: chemistry; efv; electricity; energy; lithiumairbatteries; lithiumairbattery

1 posted on 07/24/2012 2:48:44 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: ShadowAce

Ping


2 posted on 07/24/2012 2:50:15 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Fugly little thing.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 3:01:46 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: neverdem

So, who wants to be spam in a can ?


4 posted on 07/24/2012 3:14:56 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Makes a Yugo look like a Buick Roadmaster.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 3:15:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: neverdem

Yes, fine; when you’ve got your elecric car technology all squared away - say, fifty years from now - give me a call.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 3:17:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: neverdem

Well, at least it makes the Leaf look good.

Gee, only $21.6K (after the tax rebate). You want fast charge? Add another $2.8K.

62 miles range, 0-60 in 15 seconds.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 3:58:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: neverdem
CleanCar
8 posted on 07/24/2012 4:04:08 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: neverdem

Still a way to go in development. Even a 5% loss in a hundred cycles is not insignificant for a device like a car.


9 posted on 07/24/2012 4:04:52 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: neverdem

Who cares? Give it up.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 4:25:42 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Check the battery.


11 posted on 07/24/2012 4:41:45 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Emperor Palpatine; fieldmarshaldj; Jack Hammer; Fresh Wind; Truth29; equaviator; All

Why don’t you check the keywords? My interest is in the battery. Chemistry was my undergraduate major.


12 posted on 07/24/2012 4:50:04 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Truth29
Still a way to go in development. Even a 5% loss in a hundred cycles is not insignificant for a device like a car.

EXCEPT that the batteries have ten times the energy storage of existing technology according to the article.

SO if current battery technology has a 60-mile-range - a 10X improvement implies about a 600 mile range. AND 100 cycles then would cover 60,000 miles. Well, that is not too shabby.

SO if the car when new has a 600-mile range, and after 100 cycles (lets say 50,000 miles) has a 540-mile range (10% less), that still works. Just fine, in fact.

The other main issue is how long to recharge. For a daily driver in town obviously this isn't an issue as you can recharge overnight, and this sort of range is plenty for several days driving.

OTOH, on a long road trip I rarely choose to or WANT to drive more than 4-5 hours at a stretch, and thus 300-350 miles between stops, even if the car is still more than 3/8's full. If I can recharge in 30 minutes or so, then road trips are still OK. MAYBE I might go an hour and accept the penalty, and have lunch or whatever while waiting. But longer than that and I am not sure it works cross-country.

BUT for example - to drive to my father's place in the next state over is 255 miles and 4 hrs. If an electric car has that sort of range, let alone 600 miles or so - this is a big big deal.

Make the electricity with natural-gas fueled generating plants, and things are a LOT different in a good way on lots of levels.

13 posted on 07/24/2012 5:01:32 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Truth29
A hundred charges is nothing compared to a gas car. on a cross country drive one would fill the tank 3 or 4 times a day.

Lets say just around the house driving one fills up once a week that's a 2 year life for the E car. Their are lots of gas cars will over 10 years old.

Give me a E car that gets 400 miles per charge 10 min recharge and thousands of them.

Then one might considered one

14 posted on 07/24/2012 5:01:50 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: neverdem

So... what are you saying, exactly?

Because your interest is in the battery, no one is allowed to comment on anything else???


15 posted on 07/24/2012 5:04:27 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Truth29

Did they say how much it was to replace the battery? For a regular commute that is almost a 15% degradation for a year. And that is assuming the commute is less than 30 miles each way.

Go back to the drawing board kiddies.


16 posted on 07/24/2012 5:05:36 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: neverdem

Where do you plug in when you are in need of a charge? Does it come with a long cord that will discretely hang from the second floor window of the Holiday Inn?


17 posted on 07/24/2012 5:18:48 AM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: neverdem

Why not just have natural gas cars instead of burning the natural gas (or coal etc) to make the electricity to charge the car?


18 posted on 07/24/2012 5:38:49 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: neverdem

Tesla claims a range of up to 300 miles on their new Model S. It looks like a normal car, at least.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models


19 posted on 07/24/2012 6:15:35 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: neverdem

100 charges and discharges? Ok......so there’s the first three months of use. How about the next five years?


20 posted on 07/24/2012 6:46:19 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Disambiguator

Tesla is vaporware. They claim a lot of things.


21 posted on 07/24/2012 6:48:55 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: riverrunner

I would fill up my Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L V8 about once a day on a cross country drive. 20 gallon tank.

If you have something like a VW Passat with the diesel and the 18.5 gallon tank, you would have about a 700 mile range, conservatively, before needing to fill up. And that’s with the EPA’s 40mpg highway number, which the VW’s tend to beat handily.

The new Nissan Altima would have excellent range as well with 38mpg highway and a 17.5 gallon tank.

Not sure what car would require 3 or 4 fill-ups a day to drive cross-country. Maybe a Ferrari?

Most common passenger cars would only need one fill-up a day as far as I can tell.


22 posted on 07/24/2012 6:55:54 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Disambiguator

~300 miles for the top of the line model with the bigger battery.

~160 miles for the “cheap” model.


23 posted on 07/24/2012 6:57:06 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: neverdem

Clown car alert!


24 posted on 07/24/2012 7:14:28 AM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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To: ltc8k6

I did include the weasel words “up to.”

:^)


25 posted on 07/24/2012 7:18:41 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: neverdem

my van has gone through 700 “cycles” (fill ups)and has traveled close to 300,000 miles...

Get back to me when I can load 2000 lbs in to it and go 700 “cycles” with out more than 5% loss.

Oh.. and tow a 6000 lbs trailer when needed.


26 posted on 07/24/2012 7:30:45 AM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: neverdem

Gold cathodes? That’ll do wonders for the auto theft rate. At least the cretins would at least leave our bronze civic plaques and veterans’ graves bronze urns alone.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 8:17:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Cute car. I’m assuming they are sold in pairs - one for the left foot, one for the right foot.


28 posted on 07/24/2012 8:21:57 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: Jack Hammer

I don’t see anything specific to a model of electric vehicle, the entire article appears to be about new battery technology.


29 posted on 07/24/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Disambiguator

They advertise the 0-60 time of the one with the smaller battery, and the range of the one with the giant battery...


30 posted on 07/24/2012 8:36:21 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: neverdem

What goes, “HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM......BANG! BANG! BANG!........HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?”

A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING IN A PRIUS...............


31 posted on 07/24/2012 8:46:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: neverdem

Reminds me of the air batteries used in hearing aids, except that these can be recharged.

Ain’t kidding that they’ll need something more practical than gold for an electrode. If they’re talking enough gold that they are starting to complain about the weight, forget it. You’d spend a million dollars on your batteries very quickly. Is gold required in this one for the sake of its electrochemical properties? Or because it is a corrosion proof, highly conductive metal? And the DMSO eats up the other electrode, and they’re saying it loses 5% of its capacity in 100 cycles, better than older batteries but still... given how often a car is used we have to do better here.

Still this could be a bark up a more practical tree, in time.


32 posted on 07/24/2012 11:21:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: RegulatorCountry

“I don’t see anything specific to a model of electric vehicle, the entire article appears to be about new battery technology.”

Who gives a rat’s *ss; what, do you own the web site or are you merely acting as police-officer-of-the-day?

Take a hike.


33 posted on 07/24/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Batteries are all about using the best active materials configured for optimum ion transfer while preventing degradation of anode/cathode/electrolyte in the process —
simple. Oh, and it can’t “spontaneously dissociate” as we would say.
In practice, not so simple. Duracell spent in excess of $2.5million just to develop the “ultra” 9V coppertop. This gave you, the consumer, a big 14% more usable energy in that battery configuration alone.
Most battery technology change is incremental. Finding new materials that work together can be monumental. I applaud any steps forward in battery technology. The big boys - Duracell, Energizer, and Rayovac are too busy trying to survive cheap China/Korea product to put the $$$$’s into R&D like they used to.


34 posted on 07/24/2012 12:22:31 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Jack Hammer

It appears to me that you’re acting in that manner.

Do you eat with that mouth?


35 posted on 07/24/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Do you eat with that mouth?”

Ouch! I haven’t heard that retort since the third grade... you must be h*ll on the junior high debating society.


36 posted on 07/24/2012 3:22:44 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Sounds like you need to go lie down before you bust a vein.


37 posted on 07/24/2012 3:34:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Have a nice evening, Junior.


38 posted on 07/24/2012 4:16:27 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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