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NCAA and Big Ten sanctions imposed against Penn State
Sports Illustrated ^ | 7/23/2012

Posted on 07/24/2012 8:44:32 AM PDT by Former Fetus

Sanctions handed down by the NCAA to Penn State and its football program.

$60 MILLION FINE

The NCAA imposed this because it is roughly equivalent to a year of gross revenue from the football program. It will be paid over a five-year period. The money will go to an endowment for "programs preventing child sexual abuse and/or assisting the victims of child sexual abuse." The NCAA specified that Penn State cannot cut other sports programs or scholarships to pay this penalty.

LOSS OF BOWL REVENUE

The Big Ten announced that Penn State's cut of the conference's shared bowl revenue - it estimates about $13 million over four years - will instead be donated to "established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children."

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CONSENT DECREE

Penn State and the NCAA agreed that the university will follow a number of conditions and requirements imposed by the association. Among those is that Penn State adopt all the recommendations in the Freeh Report. Among those are that the university:

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POSSIBLE INDIVIDUAL SANCTIONS

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: big10; ncaa; pennstate
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Excelent article. It not only gives a good description of the sanctions as we heard them, but includes others that have not been mentioned by most reports: consent decree and possible individual sanctions.

I am also glad to see that Big Ten has also joined in punishing Penn State! Maybe it is not always only about football!

1 posted on 07/24/2012 8:44:43 AM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus
programs preventing child sexual abuse

Just curious, what does such a program actually do?

2 posted on 07/24/2012 8:47:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Former Fetus

Punishing Penn State is one thing. Punishing the students is wrong. Those football players won their games in the past. Don’t take that away from them.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 8:48:19 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: Former Fetus

Penn State should just leave the NCAA .. enter another football conference. Things like this have been done before... UT (Texas) left the Southwest Conference when it proved to be a dead end. Punishing a University is one thing - punishing players past, present and future is entirely another... over the top ... sounds like something obama would do ...


4 posted on 07/24/2012 8:53:10 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: Izzy Dunne
Good question! All I can think is setting up hot-lines for children who are abused and afraid to talk to their parents, teachers... Mostly I am glad the fines don't go to fill up the NCAA or Big Ten coffers where there's no hint of impropriety and/or taking financial advantage of an already bad enough situation.
5 posted on 07/24/2012 8:53:10 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

I expect Penn State to leave the Big Ten and join the Big East within the next few years.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 8:54:42 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: RC2

The players won on the field, that wasn’t taken away from them, their NFL careers that they got because they played at Penn State wasn’t taken away from them. Big deal, so it isn’t in the record books. They’ll live.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 8:56:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: RC2
Punishing Penn State is one thing. Punishing the students is wrong. Those football players won their games in the past. Don’t take that away from them.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8 posted on 07/24/2012 8:57:13 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Former Fetus

I don’t see how the future of the entire school isn’t doomed. What comes to mind now when you here the words, ‘Penn State’? Going forward who would want that on their resume?


9 posted on 07/24/2012 9:01:04 AM PDT by bramps
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To: RC2
" Punishing the students is wrong."

Also look for a big increase in tuition?

10 posted on 07/24/2012 9:01:39 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: bramps

I went as far to suggest they change the name of the school and change their team name from “Nittany Lions”. Perhaps something like “Happy Valley University” or “Central Pennsylvania University”, anything to get rid of the “Penn State” moniker, because that will forever be linked to this scandal.

Over time, people forget about recruiting scandals, this will never be forgotten.


11 posted on 07/24/2012 9:04:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: OldEagle

They should be forced to freeze all salaries and remove all professors that do nothing, including classes that do not further the students future.


12 posted on 07/24/2012 9:05:58 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: Former Fetus

Bring on the Penn State/Paterno apologists in 5...4...3...2...

oh wait, their vanguard force has already arrived.


13 posted on 07/24/2012 9:07:46 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: dfwgator

More likely Ped State will be dumping the NCAA and joining the NAIA. The Central States League needs a doormat.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 9:11:54 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Jay Redhawk

Going to be funny seeing 10,000 people show up for PSU games in a 107,000 seat stadium.


15 posted on 07/24/2012 9:13:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Former Fetus
The NCAA specified that Penn State cannot cut other sports programs or scholarships to pay this penalty.

How about cutting the pensions and compensation of the professors and administrators.

16 posted on 07/24/2012 9:19:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dfwgator

Yes it will. I wonder what price season tickets will be going for in a few years?


17 posted on 07/24/2012 9:21:00 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Former Fetus
I am also glad to see that Big Ten has also joined in punishing Penn State!

That's because the money supposedly will be spent on charities throughout the Big Ten. Does that mean that they are having the same problem???

Maybe it is not always only about football!

But it is always about the money.

18 posted on 07/24/2012 9:26:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dfwgator

I mentioned in the past to you that I’ve become a big soccer fan over the last few years. One thing that drew me to the game was a very talented high school girl who I happened to see play one night. It turned out that she had a full soccer scholarship to Penn St. after her sophomore year in high school. She starts this fall. I feel for her.


19 posted on 07/24/2012 9:30:52 AM PDT by bramps
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To: RC2

>> Those football players won their games in the past.

I wonder how many of THEM were well aware of Sandusky’s antics and never said anything.


20 posted on 07/24/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: Former Fetus

... Seems real liberal to take money away from one group under force and “donate” it to a charity of your choosing, as if you contributed the funds.


21 posted on 07/24/2012 9:32:40 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Former Fetus

This is fascism. A country that cannot punish Ted Kennedy for killing a girl should not punish this program.


22 posted on 07/24/2012 9:34:38 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: dfwgator

“Going to be funny seeing 10,000 people show up for PSU games in a 107,000 seat stadium.”

I believe the spirit of the community won’t see a change. You will see the stadium full.


23 posted on 07/24/2012 9:35:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yeah.

Every perp says that about their probation and parole fees.
Ped State included.


24 posted on 07/24/2012 9:37:14 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bramps

I suspect Penn State will now focus on other sports, like Basketball, to try to build up their brand name, while the football team is in the wilderness.

I was watching video of the Illinois game when Paterno coached his last game, and PSU won when a last-second FG attempt by the Illini clinked the crossbar, and the fans went delirious and Joe, for the time being, became the winningest coach.....and thinking, if somebody told them that within a few months, the Sandusky news would break, Paterno’s reputation would be ruined, and soon he would be dead, and the NCAA would slap PSU with the harshest sanctions ever, outside of the Death Penalty, they would have, rightly, thought you were on drugs or you were an agent of Satan.


25 posted on 07/24/2012 9:40:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: MrEdd

All I can say is that I always oppose liberal forced charities.


26 posted on 07/24/2012 9:43:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Oh I’m sure they’ll show up for the first few games out of defiance, but once they get pummeled by 50+ by the likes of Temple, that will change.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: jimfree

>> A country that cannot punish Ted Kennedy for killing a girl should not punish this program.

Life’s not always fair, is it?

It certainly wasn’t fair to Sandusky’s young victims, was it? And that sacred program that you don’t want to punish furnished to Sandusky the opportunity, the bait, the venue, and the protection.


28 posted on 07/24/2012 9:44:22 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: Nervous Tick

If a company has bad bosses, people will lose their jobs, unfortunately when the company goes under, that’s life.


29 posted on 07/24/2012 9:51:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: ICCtheWay
They may have been better off dropping football completely. There's a fascinating story about that from the 1930s involving the University of Chicago. The school's president canceled the football program because he recognized that it would always represent a conflict with the university's goals as an academic institution. Chicago had a good football team, too. Their star halfback Jay Berwanger is generally considered to be the first Heisman Trophy winner (1935), even though it wasn't officially called by that name until the following season.

I read an article about that just the other day, in anticipation of the NCAA ruling on Penn State. Anyone (like me) who thought corruption in college football was a recent development might be surprised to see that it was a problem even back in the 1930s.

30 posted on 07/24/2012 9:53:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: bramps

I don’t think she needs to worry about anything. The NCAA made sure to keep this penalty confined to the football program (from an athletics standpoint), and if she’s worried about the school’s tarnished reputation she should see this as a good lesson in life.


31 posted on 07/24/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

They also have a dominant women’s volleyball program. I wonder how that program will be affected by all this?


32 posted on 07/24/2012 9:59:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Former Fetus

Those sanctions are collective mass punishment that adversely affect people who had nothing to do with the crime — a typical approach of leftists, who are trying the same thing with gun ownership. The sanctions are an attempt to change a sports-loving culture. While our society may sometimes unduly worships sports,the powers-that-be have no business trying to change our culture, as distinguished from punishing criminal wrongdoing.


33 posted on 07/24/2012 10:00:19 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: Alberta's Child
They may have been better off dropping football completely.

Hard to imagine a 100,000+ seat stadium lying dormant like that.

34 posted on 07/24/2012 10:05:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

And you also oppose the biblical principles of restitution and amends, by your posts on this thread.

Pedophile State are not being fined because they have a lot and someone covets their endowment. They are being forced to make restitution because they did something wrong.


35 posted on 07/24/2012 10:06:46 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dfwgator

Awful lot of RV owners still need an excuse to tailgate.


36 posted on 07/24/2012 10:10:15 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Tallguy

Well, I suppose if people still show up for Cubs’ games, anything is possible.


37 posted on 07/24/2012 10:12:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

Temple’s program has come a long way. Saw them play PSU dead-even last fall at the Linc in Philly. They are building a nice program there.


38 posted on 07/24/2012 10:14:52 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Tallguy
Temple’s program has come a long way.

They don't play Hofstra anymore, right? (Google "Hofstra Bill Cosby")

39 posted on 07/24/2012 10:22:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Izzy Dunne
Just curious, what does such a program actually do?

Fund "research" programs, "out reach" programs, "raise awareness", and provide "therapy" to victims.

In other words, it's an employment project for out of work libs with useless sociology degrees.

A truly pathetic component of the sanction, and one that is being heralded by all the wrong people.

Typical liberal "throw money at it and it will go away" reflex.

40 posted on 07/24/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Alberta's Child

In the Penn State situation there is no discussion of corruption in the classic sense. No accusations of game throwing, paying of players, point shaving, etc. The Team Coaches made awful mistakes and at least one violated a law - a very serious crime for which he has been punished ...

The players, the fans, the students violated no law. And they were not involved in any sort of corruption. The team, the fans, the students are being punished for the acts of the coaches and some administrators. Such Group Punishment of innocent people never works. Talk of dismantling the team is inappropriate ... I think the university should sue and take it all the way up the court system. Punished the Guilty - not those who were not involved.


41 posted on 07/24/2012 10:37:51 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: Nervous Tick

That we will never know and it wouldn’t be right to make a judgement on them without knowing. The school officials are the ones to blame for all this.


42 posted on 07/24/2012 10:40:34 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: Former Fetus
They can vacate the wins all they want, but they won. The players won, the coaches won. This wasn't a cheating scandal. I understand that they want to take these guys out of the record books, but they'll be an "understood" asterisk next to the new leaders.

I don't think that punishing the players -- now or then -- is any kind of solution. I hope the current players have a chance to find a spot elsewhere, which will be a major disruption to their personal and academic lives.

43 posted on 07/24/2012 10:41:40 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: dfwgator
Oh I’m sure they’ll show up for the first few games out of defiance, but once they get pummeled by 50+ by the likes of Temple, that will change.

As a rabid Temple fan, I say from your keyboard to God's ears.

It will be interesting to see how fast the program goes south. In theory, they should still be a fairly competitive team next season, depending on how well O'Brien's system fits the players.

I do think you'll see a steady decline in 2013-2016. Bowl games mean a LOT to recruits, and to have them assured it's off the table, that's going to hurt.

Of course there's also the possibility of mass defections of the current roster. My guess is you won't see too many upper classmen leave - they're likely assumed a bunker mentality and will prove their loyalty.

44 posted on 07/24/2012 10:45:06 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: jimfree
This is fascism. A country that cannot punish Ted Kennedy for killing a girl should not punish this program.

I was thinking of something along the same lines...why do we expect these kinds of sanctions against a football program, but we don't hold our elected officials to the same levels? I suppose they could pinpoint Paterno and Sandusky, with one of them no longer able to defend himself; they can't say the same for someone like Eric Holder. He's able to insulate himself in layers of bureacracy and paperwork.

"The buck stops...er, somewhere else!"

45 posted on 07/24/2012 10:45:17 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Socon-Econ
I think the culture the NCAA is going after is the Penn State athletic department and the inability of anyone to stop them being a law unto themselves that protected and covered up for a pedophile; the culture where keeping things under the rug was more important that stopping child rape, a culture where - according to people involved with Penn State athletics - testifying in Sandusky’s defense - they said it was nothing unusual in having grown men shower with young boys.

As to that “culture” - NCAA has ever reason in the world to try to change it.

46 posted on 07/24/2012 10:45:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Tanniker Smith
This wasn't a cheating scandal.

When teams violate recruiting rules, what is their motivation? To bring in players that otherwise would not have committed to your school.

What was Penn State's attraction to players? I assert for many, it was the clean reputation of their program, and the image that Paterno created. Now, by covering up Sandusky's exploits, what was the motivation behind that? I again assert, that it was to maintain that image, so that Penn State could continue to attract Blue-Chip players, players that would have otherwise gone to other schools, should the truth about Sandusky been revealed.

So in the end, how is this different than any other recruiting violation?

47 posted on 07/24/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

What attracted them to the school? The team wins. The team churned out NFL players like crazy.


48 posted on 07/24/2012 10:54:43 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Former Fetus

Instead of imposing all of these sanctions that might or might not have a long-term, positive positive impact on how the school does bidness I would impose only one sanction on the school if I were the judge in this case.
What would it be?
Force the school to change its name to

“Pedophile State University.”

Require all of their signage, stationary, websites, and anything else advertising the name to be amended to those three words.
How long would that school last? Not long at all!


49 posted on 07/24/2012 10:56:21 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: allmendream
As to that “culture” - NCAA has ever reason in the world to try to change it.

Damn straight. There are a lot of sick, deluded "sports lovers" posting to this thread. I dare say they think of themselves as "conservatives," but in their misplaced priorities and grotesque immaturity, they reveal themselves as anything but.

There comes a time when serious people put away childish things.

50 posted on 07/24/2012 10:56:28 AM PDT by DSH
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