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Drug dog finds nothing in car at traffic stop, but sniffs out pot [& illegal alien] at nearby house
Arizona Daily Star ^ | July 22, 2012 | Jamar Younger

Posted on 07/24/2012 9:08:39 AM PDT by kevcol

Authorities arrested the suspects late Thursday after finding 25 bales of marijuana, weighing more than 430 pounds, inside a shed at an Ajo home. Ajo is about 100 miles west of Tucson.

The discovery came after a deputy made a traffic stop in front of the home. The deputy smelled marijuana in the car, reportedly driven by Womack, and called for additional deputies and a drug-sniffing dog.

The dog did not smell drugs in the car but alerted deputies to the fence line of a nearby house.

Deputies eventually searched a shed at the home and found the marijuana, along with an illegal immigrant identified as Lopez-Zavala.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; cannabis; drugs; drugwar; fourthamendment; marijuana; oops; pima; potheads; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; workingdogs; wosd
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Press release from Pima Co. Sheriff.


1 posted on 07/24/2012 9:08:47 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

I TOLD you those 25 bales of marijuana would stink up the place!


2 posted on 07/24/2012 9:15:15 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: kevcol

Will this stand up in court? It sounds like an illegal search.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 9:16:16 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: kevcol

The drug war is for the express purpose of feeding the government.

Drugs are a problem, has always been a problem, and always will be a problem.

But the drug war makes it a bigger problem than it would be otherwise.

STOP THE STUPID DRUG WAR.


4 posted on 07/24/2012 9:21:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: kevcol
"Drug sniffing" dogs are just a way to manufacture probable cause when none exists.
5 posted on 07/24/2012 9:22:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: kevcol

Who’s a GOOD DOG?
GOOD DOG!


6 posted on 07/24/2012 9:23:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Our man in washington

Don’t worry, they took the dog to a judge to testify under oath, and got a warrant.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 9:25:14 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: ravenwolf
Drugs are a problem, has always been a problem, and always will be a problem.

But the drug war makes it a bigger problem than it would be otherwise.

Indeed. I thought only liberals supported utopian feel-good policies that they judged by intentions rather than results.

8 posted on 07/24/2012 9:29:19 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Our man in washington

A drug sniffing dog hitting on a scent of MJ is considered probable cause to conduct a search


9 posted on 07/24/2012 9:31:59 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: kevcol

Drug War has to end. We’ve lost too many freedoms due to it.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 9:33:54 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: kevcol

430 LBS! For that much dope they don’t need a dog. The cops should have been able to smell that themselves


11 posted on 07/24/2012 9:40:11 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Mr. K

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

I’m not disputing what you say, but I agree with other posters that this aspect of the drug war needs to end. If those 430 pounds had gotten out to the American public, the only effect would have been that a few people would get high and have cravings for Doritos. Hardly a national crisis. Admittedly, I find potheads to be profoundly boring types as a general rule, but that’s not a national crisis either.


12 posted on 07/24/2012 9:48:24 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Mr. K

Not only is it probable cause, If the LEO WANTS to search, they will say that the dog “indicated” that there was something. Telepathically of coarse. If stopped and you refuse to allow a search without a warrant, They will call in one of those dogs with the telepathic training. Heck, they may even use the Yorkie that was crapping in the yard where you were pulled over! What I want to know is, why isn’t a dog “search” a search without a warrant?


13 posted on 07/24/2012 9:48:30 AM PDT by Boiling point
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To: Our man in washington

If you want liberals to take the war on drugs seriously, tell them that polls show pot heads with the munchies crave Chik-Fil-A.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 9:52:31 AM PDT by Boiling point
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To: Our man in washington

They probably did search the illegal..

However, the dog “hitting” on the smell is enough to search with out a warrant.

That is why they train the dogs to “hit” on nothing so they can get around that pesky warrant thing.


15 posted on 07/24/2012 10:02:00 AM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Mr. K

“A drug sniffing dog hitting on a scent of MJ is considered probable cause to conduct a search.”

A drug dog searching for Michael Jackson? I thought he was dead!


16 posted on 07/24/2012 10:09:47 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: kevcol

Yeah, sure, un huh, we want to legalize drugs and let the cartels fighting over turf, and running free in the US so we can have MORE zoned out zombies escaping reality in altered states of mind while munching on Doritos. PERFECT!


17 posted on 07/24/2012 10:15:59 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Our man in washington

And that much weed is going to smell- A LOT


18 posted on 07/24/2012 10:18:05 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

yes, and he certainly smells bad by now- even with all the preservatives on his face


19 posted on 07/24/2012 10:19:48 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: cableguymn
>It sounds like an illegal search.

They probably did search the illegal..

LOL, took me a second.
20 posted on 07/24/2012 10:21:36 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: RowdyFFC

You have gangs because drugs are illegal and in high demand and are therefore very profitable. Take away the excess profits by decriminalizing drugs and the gangs have no incentive to deal in drugs. What we have today is not much different than Prohibition.


21 posted on 07/24/2012 10:26:42 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: RowdyFFC
Yeah, sure, un huh, we want to legalize drugs and let the cartels fighting over turf

No, legalization will open the door to legal competition and send profits plummeting, thus effectively putting an end to drug cartels - just as happened to rumrunners when we wisely ended Prohibition of the drug alcohol.

22 posted on 07/24/2012 10:27:28 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: RowdyFFC

You’re right. History shows that that’s exactly what would happen. Look at the bloody turf wars we have today between Miller and Coors and between Jack Daniels and Jim Beam. Things were much better when alcohol was illegal and gangsters like Al Capone and Joe Kennedy controlled the sale of that intoxicant.


23 posted on 07/24/2012 10:39:46 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The only reason that MJ is not legal is that the gubment does not have the means to fully control it. It is called weed for a reason. I personally think that it does have some medical viability, all be it abused by many. On the surface, I don’t see the difference between MJ and tobacco. I say legalize it, tax the crap out of it - just like cigs and booze. I still won’t touch it, legal or not.


24 posted on 07/24/2012 10:46:33 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Beat me by 46 seconds. :-(
25 posted on 07/24/2012 10:52:52 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: kevcol

Hmmm...sounds like a setup. You have information about drug dealing at a location, but not enough for a warrant. So you do a bait car style fake traffic stop at the location, which puts your drug dog in proximity, which confirms the suspicion. Question is, do you now have to get a warrant? Suppose the judge on duty is a liberal?

Questions, questions...if you walk your drug dog down Main Street and he alerts on a passerby, do you have to get a warrant for that?


26 posted on 07/24/2012 10:54:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
You always have to get a warrant - an alert may be probable cause, but it is not in and of itself an exigent circumstance.
27 posted on 07/24/2012 10:56:11 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: kevcol

WHere did you find that photo? TOO FUNNY...


28 posted on 07/24/2012 12:37:30 PM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: RowdyFFC
Yeah, sure, un huh, we want to legalize drugs and let the cartels fighting over turf, and running free in the US so we can have MORE zoned out zombies escaping reality in altered states of mind while munching on Doritos. PERFECT!

Yup, that's right, just like the liquor mobs and speakeasies do with alcohol - oops, I guess that was during Prohibition...

29 posted on 07/24/2012 3:09:51 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt
Yeah, sure, un huh, we want to legalize drugs and let the cartels fighting over turf, and running free in the US

Yup, that's right, just like the liquor mobs and speakeasies do with alcohol - oops, I guess that was during Prohibition...

You're late to the party, jim. ;-D

30 posted on 07/24/2012 3:29:08 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: jimt

Of course we’re going to discount all the drunk drivers that get in their cars and kill people while we slap them on the wrist. And we all want our children’s faces chewed off by some idiot high on pot instead of bath salts, or some pot smoking Occupier who furthered his altered state of mind with 100 mg of vicodin before he set out on his mission.

But yeah, let’s just legalize every damned thing and the world would just be so much better while we lay back stoned and happy and not having to face reality. OK, I’m with you guys. You’ve convinced me!


31 posted on 07/25/2012 6:07:19 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
Of course we’re going to discount all the drunk drivers that get in their cars and kill people while we slap them on the wrist.

So what's the answer to that - return to Prohibition?

And we all want our children’s faces chewed off by some idiot high on pot

Please post one single instance of this actually occurring. We'll wait - but we won't hold our breaths.

32 posted on 07/26/2012 9:54:07 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The cannibalist in Florida was high on pot, not bath salts as originally reported. DUH! DUH! DUH! DUH!


33 posted on 07/26/2012 7:18:51 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
The cannibalist in Florida was high on pot, not bath salts as originally reported.

'An expert on toxicology testing said marijuana alone wasn't likely to cause behavior as strange as Eugene's.

'"The problem today is that there is an almost an infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Professor and Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida.

'[...] it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

'"There are many of these synthetic drugs that we currently don't have the methodology to test on, and that is not the fault of the toxicology lab. The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them but it's very difficult and very expensive." Goldberger said. "There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."'

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57462569-504083/rudy-eugenes-toxicology-report-experts-speculate-on-what-caused-face-chewing-attack

Also, if pot caused face-chewing there'd be no faces left - almost 9% of Americans used pot in the previous month: http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2k10ResultsTables/NSDUHTables2010R/HTM/Sect1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab1.1B

DUH! DUH! DUH! DUH!

Does your mommy know you're using her computer?

34 posted on 07/27/2012 8:12:41 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: RowdyFFC
The cannibalist in Florida was high on pot

No, he tested positive for inactive metabolic byproducts of pot - those tests can detect pot use up to 30 days in the past, long after the high is gone.

35 posted on 07/27/2012 8:14:51 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yes, I know he tested high for pot and most likely something else combined that he bought off the streets, just like the results of the toxicology said. So let’s just legalize it all so we can find out what’s causing it. In case you didn’t notice, there’s more than one case out there.

Ya’ll are starting to sound like Nancy Pelosi....lol


36 posted on 07/28/2012 9:10:53 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
he tested high for pot

No, as I already explained to you, he tested positive for inactive metabolic byproducts of pot - those tests can detect pot use up to 30 days in the past, long after the high is gone.

So let’s just legalize it all so we can find out what’s causing it.

The effects of pot are studied and understood:

"Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. [...] Marijuana and opiates temporarily inhibit violent behavior"
- "Psychoactive Substances and Violence", Department of Justice National Criminal Justice Reference Service

37 posted on 08/06/2012 11:08:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

As I’ve already explained to you, the man was shown to be a pothead, and had no traces of bath salts. And even before that I was against legalizing ANY kind of mind-altering drugs, and I haven’t and I’m not going to change my mind, over claims that pot is just some kind of nice high that doesn’t hurt anybody. Because we know the pothead addicts have a real hard time dealing with reality and functioning. And this country doesn’t need any less functioning people. The things that potheads will do to feed their habits are certainly harmful to themselves and others.


38 posted on 08/06/2012 1:46:55 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
the man was shown to be a pothead,

But not shown to be high at the time of his crime, as you've been claiming.

and had no traces of bath salts.

You admitted he had taken "pot and most likely something else combined that he bought off the streets."

And this country doesn’t need any less functioning people.

So do you support a return to Prohibition of the function-lessening drug alcohol?

The things that potheads will do to feed their habits are certainly harmful to themselves and others.

Only because it's illegal - otherwise they'd feed their habits the same way boozers do.

39 posted on 08/06/2012 2:20:07 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yada! Yada! Yada! Go pull somebody else’s leg, pothead.


40 posted on 08/07/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
Yada! Yada! Yada! Go pull somebody else’s leg, pothead.

Your graceless surrender has been nominated for inclusion in the Drug Warrior Hall of Shame.

41 posted on 08/08/2012 7:52:13 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Mr. K; Our man in washington

Yeah, forget those pesky warrant thingies. The Fourth Amendment means naught.


42 posted on 08/08/2012 8:02:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Funny, I didn’t gracelessly surrender anything. I will never be FOR legalizing street drugs in the US, period. But you just honk on, Sir Pothead...


43 posted on 08/24/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC

the man was shown to be a pothead,

But not shown to be high at the time of his crime, as you've been claiming.

and had no traces of bath salts.

You admitted he had taken "pot and most likely something else combined that he bought off the streets."

And this country doesn’t need any less functioning people.

So do you support a return to Prohibition of the function-lessening drug alcohol?

The things that potheads will do to feed their habits are certainly harmful to themselves and others.

Only because it's illegal - otherwise they'd feed their habits the same way boozers do.

Yada! Yada! Yada! Go pull somebody else’s leg, pothead.

Your graceless surrender has been nominated for inclusion in the Drug Warrior Hall of Shame.

Funny, I didn’t gracelessly surrender anything. I will never be FOR legalizing street drugs in the US, period.

Yes, you gracelessly surrendered from the forum of reasoned debate. That you continue to cling to your baseless personal opinions, I don't doubt - and don't care.

44 posted on 08/24/2012 8:46:53 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

And you’re still a pothead wishing fool. Wish in one hand, spit in the other and see which one gets filled first.


45 posted on 08/24/2012 9:36:05 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
At this point, your every post makes clearer the factual and logical poverty of your position. Keep 'em coming!
46 posted on 08/24/2012 9:47:11 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

At this point, you like a pesky gnat and about as worthless. You don’t even understand the words...get lost! Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?


47 posted on 08/25/2012 6:58:21 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
get lost!

Not while there's Drug Warrior illogic to expose.

Ignorance is bliss

You seem happy enough.

48 posted on 08/25/2012 3:23:37 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well, my life is certainly bliss without ignorant toked out potheads in it. And that’s the point! You don’t even have a point!


49 posted on 08/25/2012 6:52:05 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
You don’t even have a point!

Wrong as usual. My point, amply established in post #39 and preceding, is that everything you've said on this thread is cr@p.

50 posted on 08/25/2012 7:15:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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