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Ukraine Bill Proposes Prison for Positive Gay Depictions
The New York Times ^ | July 23, 2012 | AP

Posted on 07/24/2012 10:38:14 AM PDT by Cronos

If a group of Ukrainian lawmakers succeeds in its mission, television shows and movies like “Brokeback Mountain” that sympathetically portray gay men and lesbians will be banned. So will gay pride parades.

The recently introduced bill, supported by the president’s representative in Parliament, would impose prison terms of up to five years and unspecified fines for spreading the “propaganda of homosexuality,” which the measure defines as positive depictions of gays in public.

..Although homosexuality was decriminalized in Ukraine, a former Soviet republic, and Russia after the fall of communism, animosity toward gay people remains high in both countries. St. Petersburg, which is Russia’s second-largest city, passed a law this year mandating fines of up to $33,000 for “promoting” homosexuality among minors. A gay pride parade in Georgia, another former Soviet republic, ended in a scuffle with opponents in March.

The Ukrainian bill follows a decision in May to cancel the country’s first gay pride parade because organizers feared violence. Two Ukrainian gay rights activists have also been brutally attacked in recent months.

Pavlo Ungurian, one of the six lawmakers from various parties who wrote the antigay bill, told reporters on Monday that growing acceptance of gay rights in the West was “not evolution, but degradation.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: brokebackmountain; gaymafia; hollywood; homosexual; homosexualagenda; nothanks; ukraine
The ukrainians have a good idea: would impose prison terms of up to five years and unspecified fines for spreading the “propaganda of homosexuality,” which the measure defines as positive depictions of gays in public.
1 posted on 07/24/2012 10:38:28 AM PDT by Cronos
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growing acceptance of gay rights in the West was “not evolution, but degradation.”
2 posted on 07/24/2012 10:39:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

That wouild make every Hollyweird sit-com a felony.

Maybe not such a bad idea....


3 posted on 07/24/2012 10:45:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Cronos
The ukrainians have a good idea

More like a fascist one. The government that outlaws positive depictions of homosexuality is one that can just as easily do the same if the subject is guns, conservatism or Christianity.

4 posted on 07/24/2012 10:49:20 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani

True.....but the whole concept of self government allows the people’s representatives to pick and choose what they wish to make illegal. We used to do the same thing...censorship of movies and books according to the prevalent moral code of the people was always present in our country. Our ancestors were smart enough to know the difference between protected POLITICAL SPEECH and immorality. And gutsy enough to enforce it.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 11:21:55 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: gdani
"More like a fascist one. The government that outlaws positive depictions of homosexuality is one that can just as easily do the same if the subject is guns, conservatism or Christianity."

The majority of Americans are dead set against the (minority) homosexual agenda, yet the homosexual agenda continues to advance, even to point of direct imposition on the majority of the population.  How is this happening?

The majority of Americans are dead set against the (minority) Islamic agenda, yet the minority Islamic agenda continues to advance, even to the point of direct imposition on the majority of the population.  How is this happening?

What if facists (and facsim), in various forms, began to undermine the freedom of the majority?  What to do then?

6 posted on 07/24/2012 11:23:37 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Because we don’t have the intelligence of our ancestors to know the difference between protected political speech and immorality. And we don’t have the courage of our convictions to enforce our morality through tough legislation.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 11:30:30 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mick
True.....but the whole concept of self government allows the people’s representatives to pick and choose what they wish to make illegal.

You must have a much better opinion of "the people's representatives" than I do.

I don't want any government official, agency or department telling me what I am forbidden to read, listen to, or see.

We used to do the same thing...censorship of movies and books according to the prevalent moral code of the people was always present in our country.

And it was stupid nanny-statism then, just as it is now. How about we let the market decide?

Our ancestors were smart enough to know the difference between protected POLITICAL SPEECH and immorality. And gutsy enough to enforce it.

Of course, the First Amendment covers more speech than just POLITICAL.

And given such things as the Alien and Sedition Acts (among numerous other examples), I wouldn't say the founding fathers or other ancestors got it right, either.

8 posted on 07/24/2012 11:39:58 AM PDT by gdani
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What if facists (and facsim), in various forms, began to undermine the freedom of the majority? What to do then?

You sound as if you're advocating less freedom to preserve...freedom?

The answer to speech you don't like should be more speech, not censorship. Once the government gets the idea it can ban controversial ideas and speech, it never stops.

You might think that is fine, if you're in agreement with such government actions. But what do you do when the government turns its censorship powers towards your books, ideas, religion, etc?

9 posted on 07/24/2012 11:44:55 AM PDT by gdani
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The right purpose of law and power is to do good and punish evil.

It’s a rather poor argument to say that they COULD do the opposite and therefore ought to do nothing. And it’s sad to see the good people pleading for a “live and let live” truce with evil because their brothers-in-arms keep capitulating on this point.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 11:50:59 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: gdani

I’m with you on this one. Too bad they don’t have a strong constitution that prohibits censorship of ideological opposition. I don’t have any use for turd burglars but I don’t have to take part in their depravity.

On the other hand, I think a constitutional case can be made against promoting homosexuality in schools and other taxpayer funded venues.


11 posted on 07/24/2012 12:01:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cronos
Ukraine ought to start a new rating for movies/tv.

This show has been rated FP - Fudge Packing will be depicted as normal and mainstream behavior. Parental Discretion Advised.

12 posted on 07/24/2012 12:08:05 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LearsFool
The right purpose of law and power is to do good and punish evil.

Who gets to decide what constitutes "Evil"?

13 posted on 07/24/2012 12:10:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: LearsFool
It’s a rather poor argument to say that they COULD do the opposite and therefore ought to do nothing.

There are too many examples of our own government overreaching its power after people warned it COULD - privacy, gun rights, religion. The list may be endless.

And it’s sad to see the good people pleading for a “live and let live” truce with evil because their brothers-in-arms keep capitulating on this point.

If you're opposed to anything then, by all means, shout it from the rooftops, organize your fellow citizens, etc. Doing nothing should never be a solution. Neither should censorship, no matter who is in power.

14 posted on 07/24/2012 12:16:03 PM PDT by gdani
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To: dfwgator
Who gets to decide what constitutes "Evil"?

If it's Obama & Holder, I'm sure you'd see some new respect for the First Amendment on this thread.

15 posted on 07/24/2012 12:18:51 PM PDT by gdani
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To: dfwgator

The majority. Like it has always been and always will be.


16 posted on 07/24/2012 12:44:28 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: dfwgator
Who gets to decide what constitutes "Evil"?

You know sodomy is evil, don't you? Or do you think we need a national debate on the subject?
17 posted on 07/24/2012 12:44:28 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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You know sodomy is evil, don't you? Or do you think we need a national debate on the subject?

You do understand "sodomy" includes consensual oral sex between a heterosexual couple, don't you?

18 posted on 07/24/2012 12:55:02 PM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
There are too many examples of our own government overreaching its power after people warned it COULD - privacy, gun rights, religion. The list may be endless.

What you're describing is an America after it abandoned the moral standard, and descended into the amoral "let the market decide" morass. And yes, such a society is fertile ground for tyranny.

If you're opposed to anything then, by all means, shout it from the rooftops, organize your fellow citizens, etc.

So your solution is more talk? The evil people will be pleased, since they love talking about their evil deeds, portraying them in "art", and recruting our children with persuasive words.

But you seem to suggest that the damage done by broadcasting evil can be neutralized by broadcasting good. So...after kids in elementary school have been forced to watch depictions of sodomy, the damage can be undone by what? watching "It's A Wonderful Life"?

You posted earlier...You sound as if you're advocating less freedom to preserve...freedom?

Hmm, you sound as if you're advocating more freedom to destroy freedom.

John Adams said, "This Constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It is inadequate for the governing of any other."

As the old adage says, "He who will not rule himself will be ruled by another."
19 posted on 07/24/2012 1:11:16 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Cronos

I understand what the Ukranians are trying to do, and sympathize with their efforts at attempting to hold back the flood tides of Western political correctness.

However, we Americans should have our own form, true to our history, of a solution:

By have more groups and coalitions which would argue (reasonably, not shrilly) consistently against the Rainbow Agenda, to the point where public opinion would be swayed.

There would be less interest in gay themes on tv and in movies; lower attendance at Gay Pride marches and festivals; polite boredom with the gay political correctness campaigns; until one day they would wake up and say, “Yikes. I think we’ve gone out of fashion.” In America, to go out of style means extinction. This is how we truly get rid of the agenda and all its tiresomeness.


20 posted on 07/24/2012 2:34:50 PM PDT by scottjewell
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Lol.. I misread that.. I thought it said POISON :D hahaha :)


21 posted on 07/24/2012 4:17:14 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Cronos

Yeah, baby . . . yeah!


22 posted on 07/24/2012 4:18:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Cronos

We need to set up the same thing in the USA with a federal government commission that determine what films, TV shows, books and websites are pro gay and the toss the producers of that filth in prison.


23 posted on 07/24/2012 5:17:31 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: gdani

true. Yet if one doesn’t use this, we have the case we have in the US where to be gay is “cool” on tv


24 posted on 07/24/2012 10:39:29 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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