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The Wages of Willful Blindness: Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?
Family Security Matters ^ | July 24, 2012 | ANDREW C. MCCARTHY

Posted on 07/24/2012 10:47:43 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch

The embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood by President Obama, aided and abetted by the Republican establishment, is not new. It is the culmination of a gradual surrender whose silhouette was already evident nearly twenty years ago. I wrote about it in Willful Blindness, a memoir about the start of our nation's confrontation with Islamic supremacism as a domestic threat - back in the early Nineties, when I led the prosecution of the Blind Sheikh's New York jihadist cell, which carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Is our wayward course one that can be corrected? The ongoing controversy over Islamist influence on our government will probably answer that question.

Spotlighted are concerns raised by five conservative members of the House of Representatives about (i) Brotherhood-friendly government policymaking and (ii) government officials, such as the State Department's Huma Abedin, who have longstanding Islamist ties. The crossroads at which we've arrived, however, involve a lot more than any single government official or policy. Let me be stark: Our liberty and security are threatened, and the questions not only of whether GOP leaders comprehend the stakes, but also of whether the Republican Party remains a worthy home for defenders of liberty, have become very real.

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We seemed to get that 20 years ago, but observe the measure of how far off-course we've drifted:

(a) In 1995, we demonstrated that (i) the Blind Sheikh was attempting to impose sharia, (ii) that he drew directly and accurately from Islamic scripture his instructions that Muslims must impose sharia, by violence if necessary, and (iii) his Muslim followers were animated by these instructions to push for the imposition of sharia standards, using terrorist attacks, among other methods. That was the crux our our case. For proving this in federal court, the Clinton Justice Department honored my colleagues and me with the attorney general's highest award.

(b) Today, by contrast, for doing exactly the same thing - namely, for arguing that an authoritative interpretation of Islam directs adherents to impose sharia, by violence if necessary, in order to lay the groundwork for changing a non-Islamic society into an Islamic society - I am routinely accused of promoting hatred and "Islamophobia." Such accusations, applied to assertions of what used to be seen as fact, do not come only from the Obama Left (including its Clinton administration veterans - the State Department, run by Hillary Clinton, and the Justice Department run by Eric Holder, Clinton's deputy attorney general). The smears are echoed, and in many cases led, by prominent members of the Republican establishment.

I haven't changed. The threat against us hasn't changed. The government has changed.

Keep reading...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andymccarthy; fumr; gop; grovernorquist; humaabedin; islam; islamofascism; muslimbrotherhood; obama; sisterwivesattack; whenmittbotsattack
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1 posted on 07/24/2012 10:47:47 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch

Right now is the time to rally behind Romney and defeat Obama, then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative. If he doesn’t, then all bets are off. Anyone pushing for a split in the GOP now is either a dem/Obama operative or a damned fool.


2 posted on 07/24/2012 10:58:19 AM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Easy question to answer “NO!!!”. However, The Disaster would like us to.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 11:00:34 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: RayBob
Right now is the time to rally behind Romney and defeat Obama, then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative. If he doesn’t, then all bets are off.

Didn't we say the same about McCain, and Dole, and Bush I, and ... ?

4 posted on 07/24/2012 11:05:43 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: RayBob
Right now is the time to rally behind Romney and defeat Obama, then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative.

"Hey Charlie Brown, wanna kick this football? I won't move it, I promise... "

5 posted on 07/24/2012 11:14:05 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: CaptainKrunch

Is McCarthy officially done with that Conservative Inc. rag NR? I hope so.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 11:14:28 AM PDT by kreitzer
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To: CaptainKrunch
I guess someone is going to start a third party this year so the anti-Barry vote will be reduced just enough to allow King Barry to squeak by once the fraudulent votes are counted.

Let's see, who could play the role of "practical outsider" the way Perot did and lead the pro-democrat third party disguised as a conservative alternative? Of course, before you ponder that you have to answer the question of whether people are still just as stupid as they were when they went for Perot and the answer to that is a resounding, "Yes!!". Otherwise King Barry would have never been elected in the first place.

7 posted on 07/24/2012 11:16:55 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Didn't we say the same about McCain, and Dole, and Bush I, and ... ?

Fool me once? Shame on you...
Fool me umpteen times???? Awwwww what the heck, I'll hold your feet to the fire AFTER I vote for you ONE MORE TIME!

8 posted on 07/24/2012 11:17:34 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: RayBob
I'm forced to concur at this point.

It sucks, but the alternative is far, far worse.

9 posted on 07/24/2012 11:17:41 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: CaptainKrunch

10 posted on 07/24/2012 11:22:33 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: RayBob
then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative.


11 posted on 07/24/2012 11:24:46 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: CaptainKrunch
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.
We MUST get rid of Obama and his liberal horde.

12 posted on 07/24/2012 11:31:16 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: CaptainKrunch

I was listening to Glenn Beck on the way to work this morning and he said this was an important day because if Bachmann didn’t apologize TODAY for the letters she wrote, John Boehner was going to kick her off of the House Intelligence Committee.

I’m wondering if this was a slip up by Beck and he revealed confidential info, because I can’t find any report of what would actually be an ultimatum by Boehner. I guess if Michelle apologizes today or is kicked off the committee tomorrow, we’ll know for sure. Unfortunately, it seems this ultimatum is being kept secret.


13 posted on 07/24/2012 11:44:46 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: RayBob
"Right now is the time to rally behind Romney and defeat Obama, then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative. If he doesn’t, then all bets are off. Anyone pushing for a split in the GOP now is either a dem/Obama operative or a damned fool."

Or maybe conservative buzz all over the nation voicing disspleasure with the lack of conservative values in their party representatives will force the equation further to the right. 

14 posted on 07/24/2012 11:46:15 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

The will to do the right thing has been crushed under the weight of protecting the party at any costs.

Simply stated, the GOP has become the democrat party. I’ll vote for a handful of good folks but Mitt will have to rely on his groveling toadies.


15 posted on 07/24/2012 11:46:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RayBob
Right now is the time to rally behind Romney and defeat Obama, then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative. If he doesn’t, then all bets are off. Anyone pushing for a split in the GOP now is either a dem/Obama operative or a damned fool.

Romney's VP selection will either cause Conservative to rally (Allen West), or collectively facepalm (Tim Pawlenty) and get ready for the collapse of America during another 4 years of Team Soetoro.

16 posted on 07/24/2012 11:50:25 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Windy City Conservative
"I was listening to Glenn Beck on the way to work this morning and he said this was an important day because if Bachmann didn’t apologize TODAY for the letters she wrote, John Boehner was going to kick her off of the House Intelligence Committee."

Boner should be impeached, and Bachmann should rightfully replace him as the Speaker of The House.

17 posted on 07/24/2012 11:51:16 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: LambSlave

18 posted on 07/24/2012 11:54:44 AM PDT by khelus
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To: RayBob
then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative.

Anyone who thinks Romney will govern as a conservative is a damned fool.

19 posted on 07/24/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RayBob

oh I get it... another “Vote for my socialist because he is better than their socialist” comment....

If you vote for socialism, then you are a supporter of socialism... Period.

Not me pal, not now, not ever...


20 posted on 07/24/2012 11:57:02 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: DTogo
"Romney's VP selection will either cause Conservative to rally (Allen West), or collectively facepalm (Tim Pawlenty) and get ready for the collapse of America during another 4 years of Team Soetoro."

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner!

You nailed it.

21 posted on 07/24/2012 11:58:48 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
The Wages of Willful Blindness: Is It Time for Defenders of Liberty to Abandon the GOP?

What I see developing on this thread, is somewhat of an anti-third party undertone. I understand that having seen the Perot effect in the not so recent past, but we have to do something. If we have a conscience at all, we can't stand by and operate under the same policy we have for the last 24 years.

The mentioned policy is this:

1. Our nominee is not a Conservative
2. Once we elect him we can hold his feet to the fire (wink wink)
3. The other candidate is so bad, we can't contemplate voting for them.

Okay, we all get it. We can't allow folks like Clinton and Obama to be president. What some of us can't grasp, is that we can't allow Bushes and Romneys either. These folks, OUR folks are killing our nation too.

I advocate for a third party. We will get nowhere under the Republican banner. What more has to happen before that sinks in. Our nation is in full route mode here, having been nearly destroyed by the Democrats and the Republicans.

WE SIMPLY CANNOT CONTINUE TO INSTALL LEFTISTS INTO THE WHITE HOUSE

Between now and 2016, we must have someone better than Mitt Romney to loft for the presidency.

Of course this is contingent on the premise we actually want this nation to survive. At this point, with so many folks lapping up the Obama/Romney swill, I'm not sure that premise still survives.

22 posted on 07/24/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne
What I see developing on this thread, is somewhat of an anti-third party undertone. I understand that having seen the Perot effect in the not so recent past, but we have to do something.

The Perot effect? Perot had dropped completely out of the Presidential race, and then suddenly returned with little more than 30 days to go before the election, and he still got almost 20% of the popular vote.

Many believe that had Perot stayed in the race for the duration, he probably would have won easily. Thus, third party/independent Presidential runs cannot be dismissed based on a candidacy which was suspended for several months.

The fact is, an independent/third party candidate with something resembling Perot's philosophy, charisma, and resources could legitimately run a successful campaign for the Presidency. That's how potentially weak the two establishment parties are.

Personally, I think Sarah Palin should give it a try in 2016, especially if the GOP maintains its current trends...

23 posted on 07/24/2012 12:57:33 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: CaptainKrunch
America's Party
24 posted on 07/24/2012 1:03:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The GOP has been operating under the correct assumption that we will vote party line no matter who they bring forward.

No matter who the electorate prefers, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Michele Bachman, etc. They consistently bring in establishment RINOS after decimating conservative choices.

Mostly, we feel pressured to place our vote for the anointed (ie the lesser of two evils). This year the Chosen One is Mitt Romney.

We can't blame the establishment for this because we have never taken the option to really choose for ourselves. We are waiting for “someone to show up, to Arise”, some, so far, unknown conservative choice.

Why can't we make our own choice? Find someone and ask them to serve. Begin our search early (now) and support his/her conservative goals and actions in the coming years before 2016. Establish our third party fully before the election.

I have no understanding of the logistics of such an operation, but I believe it can be done

25 posted on 07/24/2012 1:40:23 PM PDT by KittenClaws
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To: DTogo

The economic collapse is mathematically unavoidable.
The only difference is that a Romney election will postpone it a while, because the president won’t be actively working to bring it about.


26 posted on 07/24/2012 1:43:53 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CaptainKrunch

The GOP (largely) is on the same national suicide pact as the Dems. A vote for either is a vote for death.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 1:47:29 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: DoughtyOne
Hi there D-1. According to RayBob's choices I am a "damned fool"! The Grand Old Party has been in the death throes for close to two decades now. However, so many of their "rank and file" don't seem to get it. They still belive as long as the person running has an (R) behind their name all will be rosey.

Even though I left the Party 14 years ago I have still voted for their candidates as what I believed was better than the Democrat and that 3rd party voting was out of the question.

No longer! "Hold their feet to the fire (wink wink)!" What a delusional idea. This year my vote will go to the most conservative individual on my ballot and my vote will count for Constitutional Conservatism. I will sleep quite well knowing that I cast my vote "for" rather than "against"!

28 posted on 07/24/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: ImpBill
I will sleep quite well knowing that I cast my vote "for" rather than "against"!

Since 'against doesn't show up in the vote tallies, 'for' is much preferred. I too will vote FOR a candidate, one that is as true as I can find to the principles of constitutional conservatism. That means it will be neither Zero nor Romney.

29 posted on 07/24/2012 2:11:22 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: EternalVigilance
America’s Party endorses candidates based on principle, not party affiliation.

Sounds good - but I can't figure out who they're endorsing for 2012 (except, apparently, Tom Hoefling).

30 posted on 07/24/2012 2:20:03 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: RayBob
Right now is the time to rally behind (fill in name of current Republican candidate) and defeat (fill in name of current sitting Democrat President), then hold old Mitt’s feet to the fire to govern as a conservative.

The same old tired worn out refrain heard every time there is talk of leaving the no longer relevant Republican Party. The party hierarchy moves's further left of center with each passing election cycle. Perhaps the base has just about had their fill of the spineless blue bloods who claim to represent conservatives yet keep denying them a place at the table after every election. I for one quit blindly supporting the Republican Party back in '96. I support ONLY conservative candidates that share my conservative values and views and that sadly leaves out most Republicans for the past 15-20 years or so.

I think more and more (especially social) conservatives are coming to that same realization as well. Conservatives are tired of being used and lied to!! Tired of being shafted!! And many of us are refusing to settle for Mittens, a known moderate (at best).

31 posted on 07/24/2012 2:26:54 PM PDT by Ron H. (Beelzebub or Satan? Not relly all that much difference in the end. Neither one is good for America!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Cartoon is right on. Mittens campaigns center and will move left of center if elected. His background and record proves that.


32 posted on 07/24/2012 2:36:09 PM PDT by Ron H. (Beelzebub or Satan? Not relly all that much difference in the end. Neither one is good for America!)
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To: CaptainKrunch

BFLR


33 posted on 07/24/2012 2:38:09 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Ron H.
The party hierarchy moves further left of center with each passing election cycle. [...] Conservatives are tired of being used and lied to!! Tired of being shafted!!

^ THIS ^


34 posted on 07/24/2012 2:39:35 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Didn’t we say the same about McCain, and Dole, and Bush I, and ... ?”

Yes, however back then we were not facing a second term of the Antichrist.


35 posted on 07/24/2012 2:40:52 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hey, I taught Bill the art of FLIP FLOPPING!

Bringing the art of Flip Flopping to a whole new level.

36 posted on 07/24/2012 3:03:37 PM PDT by Ron H. (Beelzebub or Satan? Not relly all that much difference in the end. Neither one is good for America!)
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To: antisocial
Didn’t we say the same about McCain, and Dole, and Bush I, and ... ?

Yes, however back then we were not facing a second term of the Antichrist.

Back then, didn't we say we were? (Or at least the first term?)

37 posted on 07/24/2012 3:04:49 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: sargon
What I see developing on this thread, is somewhat of an anti-third party undertone. I understand that having seen the Perot effect in the not so recent past, but we have to do something.

The Perot effect? Perot had dropped completely out of the Presidential race, and then suddenly returned with little more than 30 days to go before the election, and he still got almost 20% of the popular vote.

I'll return to your point in a moment.  One thing folks need to remember is that in a three way race, you can win with less than 34%.  The traditional 50% +1 goes out the window.  (point of fact, it generally goes out of the window anyway, since there are a few percentages won by non-top tier candidates each general election)

You are right.  Perot could have won.  It certainly would have been close, even if he didn't win.  There's no denying this.  And then there's the goof-ball aspect, which nearly 20% were willing to overlook to still support him.  My thought to this day is, if he was this willing to quit then when the going got tough, what did that tell us about him when he'd be under the gun internationally, in God knows what type of setting.  Would he man-up then, or simply resign?  The stability factor on a scale of 1 being worst and 100 being best, in the end this guy came out a big zero for me.  And I had given him serious consideration.

So yes, back to the point, he could have won.  And that is the thing you and I agree on, that should be the lesson from his run.  Instead he twisted it into a loss, and the 'vote for the lesser of two evils people' are pretty much going to see third parties as a pox on them no matter what we say.  Explaining what you did, AND ALSO that we will never turn this nation around unless we break away and sign on to a good man, is our only hope.  Either concept pretty much falls flat on it's face without the other.

People don't think a third party can win.  And even if they did, they still can't quite grasp the need, or that the lesser of two evils IS STILL evil.

Yes, a third party can win.  And yes, we must move away from the two Leftist parties in the United States.


Many believe that had Perot stayed in the race for the duration, he probably would have won easily. Thus, third party/independent Presidential runs cannot be dismissed based on a candidacy which was suspended for several months.

I agree, but once again sadly, Perot wound up creating a (third party) image, even if he was a rather psychotic nut job.  Folks don't generally focus on mid-course election status.  They look at the end results.  And yes, Perot caused the results he did when he could probably have won.

The fact is, an independent/third party candidate with something resembling Perot's philosophy, charisma, and resources could legitimately run a successful campaign for the Presidency. That's how potentially weak the two establishment parties are.

I agree.  And when you have Bush, Bush, and McCain running virtual ties and losing against people like Gore, Kerry, and Obama, you've got a no confidence vote in both parties.  Any reasoned candidate against these Democrats would have mopped the floor with them.  And now Romney seems to be barely breaking even now.  Today, Ronald Reagan would have Obama in almost single digits.  I know that's a outlandish claim in light of the die-hard Leftist vote, but I don't think the Democrats are solidly behind Obama because they think he's great.  They just don't see something all that much better.

Personally, I think Sarah Palin should give it a try in 2016, especially if the GOP maintains its current trends...


This is where the sound effects man inserts the sound of a needle going clear across the record.  'Scuuuuuurrrrrrrratch!!!!'

Do you know what turned me off to George Bush?  It was two things.  He wanted to grant illegal aliens an amnesty.  He 'fixed' Texas education system by throwing literally tens of billions (and yes I believe it was billions) of dollars at it.

He was a big spending soft on sovereignty Leftist.  He was not a Conservative at his core.  His first reaction was to fixate on a Leftist solution to problems.

When I back someone, I want them to be a person whose world view is Conservative.  Bush wasn't one, and I couldn't support him.

Sarah backed John McCain.  Sarah also backed a plan to register illegal aliens so they could stay here and work.  Extrapolated out, that simply means we'll legalize them for now, and open our hearts to making them citizens on down the road.

Sarah is not a Conservative.  It's one thing to rattle off good sound-bites at the apporpriate time, but it's another to back sound people and policy for our government.

With regard to two very powerful key-policy indicators to me, Sarah revealed herself.

John McCain is the dead worst Republican that I have known about in my lifetime.  He chumed it up with Kennedy, Feingold, Kerry, and others to introduce some of the worst legislation this nation has seen.  And yet, this wasn't enough for Sarah to see him for what he was.  His starting a political action committee with George Soros wasn't either.  Hiring his campaign staff to work there, wasn't either.  All these people were exposed to Soros, and the network that surrounds him.  Sarah didn't see this as a big red flashing signal at any point.  She still doesn't.

Sarah?  No thanks.  I'm over it.

38 posted on 07/24/2012 3:34:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: All
We have two choices in this race. Obama and Romney. Sorry, but Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode are nobodies whose chances of getting elected president are slightly less than Ralph Nader. Anyone who votes for these guys are entitled to do so, of course, but understand that the vote you cast is meaningless. As I said above, there are two choices. The next president will be either Romney or Obama. Its that simple. Yeah, I know, Romney is a RINO, Romney is this, he's that... well, the one thing that should matter is that he is not Obama. He does not hate America. He does not hate capitalism. He may be too liberal for many here, but he is still better than Obama. Obama will destroy this county. Some will argue that Romney will as well, but our first priority must be to get rid on Obama and his minions.

I am really starting to believe that many of the anti-Romney posters and the third party pushers are just Obama trolls trying to divide and conquer. THe only person who benefits from a third party run is Obama. Look what happened in the primaries. We had several good conservatives who just split the vote leaving Mitt to walk away with the nomination. If we split the vote again, Obama gets in and will be unleashed from the constraints of having to run for re-election. As he told the Russians, he'll have more "flexibility" after being re-elected... in otherwords, he can do what he wants without having to worry about getting reelected again. I am not sure that our Republic can survive four more years of Obama and am willing to vote for Romney to stop Obama.

39 posted on 07/24/2012 3:36:39 PM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: RayBob
I am really starting to believe that many of the anti-Romney posters and the third party pushers are just Obama trolls trying to divide and conquer.

I was going to show up and vote down ballot, but now I am considering just staying home. So I'd watch what you post.

40 posted on 07/24/2012 3:40:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: KittenClaws

I agree with your thoughts, and I too believe it can be done.


41 posted on 07/24/2012 3:49:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Having to take whatever RINO the GOP puts before us reminds me of Katrina victims.

We're all in the stadium waiting for the government to rescue us, bring us water, food and clothing, when what we should have done is get off our butts and get our own darn supplies BEFORE the tornado hit.

42 posted on 07/24/2012 4:07:12 PM PDT by KittenClaws
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To: CaptainKrunch
We cannot abandon now....we must however; work like dogs to get every authentic Conservative Republican in our ranks so as to save our Republic and to prove that just as Liberals eventually fail; so too, will those Republicans, who cannot read the handwriting on the wall. Mitt, it goes w/o saying; is now our only hope of getting from 'here' to there. The next wave of Repubs is on us.
43 posted on 07/24/2012 4:07:12 PM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: RayBob
I am really starting to believe that many of the anti-Romney posters and the third party pushers are just Obama trolls trying to divide and conquer.

Gee, I've never heard anything like that before. No wait, wait I have heard the same thing before, like back when Bill was running for his second term. Yeah, I know, it is different this time.

Listen, if you really want to win over friends and influence people you need to first stop insulting those you are seeking to influence by calling them anti-Romney posters and the third party pushers are just Obama trolls trying to divide and conquer. So you just keep right on insulting their sincerity and intelligence and keep on validating their varied legitimate reasons for not supporting your guy and therefore you become your own worst enemy here.

Many of us conservatives have been around the block more than a few times with what you are trying to peddle here and we quite frankly are unmoved because we have been kicked in the teeth and been bitch-slapped around once too often to keep on coming back for just more of the same. The Republican Party blue bloods have only themselves to blame for this mess, try blaming them for giving us all these poor miserable choices year after year and quit blaming those of us who are sick and tired of the same old malaise the dysfunctional Republican Party apparatus saddles us with every 2-4 years. Enough is enough IMHO.

44 posted on 07/24/2012 4:19:09 PM PDT by Ron H. (Beelzebub or Satan? Not relly all that much difference in the end. Neither one is good for America!)
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To: RayBob

45 posted on 07/24/2012 4:22:45 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: CaptainKrunch
It might be time for "defenders of liberty to abandon the GOP" or it might not, but that's not really what Andrew McCarthy is actually writing about in his article, is it?

He's not making his appeal to people whose chief concern is small government or greater personal freedom, is he?

You could argue that concern about Islamism is pro-liberty, but what McCarthy is talking about isn't really what a lot of people are discussing here.

46 posted on 07/24/2012 4:30:03 PM PDT by x
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Good for you. I have a feeling we will be in good company!


47 posted on 07/24/2012 4:39:58 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: ImpBill
No longer! "Hold their feet to the fire (wink wink)!" What a delusional idea.

Exactly!  Did holding their feet to the fire work with Medicare Part D?  Did it work when Bush promiosed $30 billion dollars to Africa?  Did it work with granting amnesty?  Someone may disagree on Amnesty, but the only reason amnesty failed was because McCain of McCain/Kennedy quit driving the legislation.  Grant you a number of Republicans would have voted against it, but with every Democrat joining the Republicans who would, that would have been a done deal if driven to a vote.

"I'll hold their feet to the fire.", is about as politically astute as saying, "I'll wish upon a star."


This year my vote will go to the most conservative individual on my ballot and my vote will count for Constitutional Conservatism.

IMO, good for you.

I will sleep quite well knowing that I cast my vote "for" rather than "against"!

I voted for Bob Dole in 1996, and after using a brillo pad, comet, tooth-paste, and rinsing with strong liquor, I still haven't gotten the taste out of my mouth.

I didn't vote for Bush the first time around.  I shouldn't have the second time.  McCain?  We're they fricken kidding me?  Not a chance I'd vote for him.

48 posted on 07/24/2012 4:43:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: KittenClaws

I hear ya...


49 posted on 07/24/2012 4:45:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"I'll hold their feet to the fire.", is about as politically astute as saying, "I'll wish upon a star."

BINGO!


50 posted on 07/24/2012 4:50:19 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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