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$500B Alaskan gold mine in upstream battle with EPA, salmon advocates.
FoxNews.com ^ | July 24, 2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 07/24/2012 1:02:54 PM PDT by carriage_hill

An Alaskan mine that may contain more than $500 billion in gold, copper and other minerals will never get dug if environmentalists get their way.

The proposed Pebble Mine, near the headwaters of Bristol Bay in southwest Alaska, could yield a staggering 107 million ounces of gold, 80 billion pounds of copper and 5.6 billion pounds of molybdenum, which is used to make steel alloys. Pebble Partnership, which wants to do the digging, is so confident of the bounty beneath the ground it has spent five years and $107 million monitoring the soil, water and air in order to assure the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) it can mine without causing ecological damage.

"The quantity, grade and continuity of mineralization at Pebble ... demonstrate the project's potential to be one of the great metal producers of the 21st century," said Rod Thiessen, president and CEO of Northern Dynasty Minerals, which is working on the project with London-based Anglo American.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alaskagold; envirowackos; epa; epaoutofcontrol; goldmining; mining
This is but one reason why the corrupt, left-wing-wacko-controlled EPA should be defunded and removed from the US Gov't - along with scores of other obstructionist agencies - for intentionally-destroying American Exceptionalism, Business, Capitalism and Entrepreneurship.
1 posted on 07/24/2012 1:03:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

..it will be held up until every senator and congresscritter gets their “fair” share.


2 posted on 07/24/2012 1:05:32 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: carriage_hill

The EPA should be completely abolished and its functions turned over the states where they belong.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 1:07:02 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: carriage_hill
My goodness, what does it take to bribe a Congress these days?

Looks like Obunga has managed to populate the EPA with true zealots.

4 posted on 07/24/2012 1:26:05 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: carriage_hill
This is but one reason why those running the corrupt, left-wing-wacko-controlled EPA should be defunded and removed from the US Gov't tried, convicted and hung - along with scores of other obstructionist agencies - for intentionally-destroying American Exceptionalism, Business, Capitalism and Entrepreneurship.

We used to call that treason.

5 posted on 07/24/2012 1:31:35 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: carriage_hill

Lots of “No Pebble Mine” people out here in Bristol Bay.

Pebble Mine could bring many jobs to the area but people are being brainwashed that it could kill the salmon runs.

I don’t see why compromise cannot be reached. Allow the Pebble Mine to happen and if the fishing is impacted, close it down. If the fishing is not impacted, then envirals lose credibility...again.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 1:31:35 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Doogle

All (except 60-80 I can think of) corrupt, criminal congresscritters should be removed and “stood against a wall” to clean-out the filth/garbage/trash. The entire US Gov’t bureaucracy is so infiltrated w/ enviro-wackos and commies, it needs a thorough “cleansing”, too.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 1:34:43 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: henkster

Yes!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2910172/posts?page=7#7


8 posted on 07/24/2012 1:37:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

Our founders declared that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were inalienable rights. Yet here we are wearing ourselves out fighting the government for the freedoms that founded this country.


9 posted on 07/24/2012 1:39:10 PM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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To: hattend

” If the fishing is not impacted, then envirals lose credibility...again.”

That’s PRECISELY WHY it’ll never happen.


10 posted on 07/24/2012 1:39:27 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill
There's a definite lack of vision in this project ~ and in everybody's response to it ~ whether EPA, local Alaskans, salmon lovers, wild bears, or people on this thread.

$500 billion is a huge amount of money. Somebody has a dammed waste area in mind ~ and EPA, etc. fear it may spill.

It wouldn't if it were built like a serious dam ~ with concrete and steel, and millions of tons of concrete shipped in at enormous cost from the lower 48 and China.

But what's a couple of billion bucks when you are talking about $500 billion?

I think a deal is possible.

11 posted on 07/24/2012 1:39:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Noumenon

Stand the treasonous bastards against a wall!


12 posted on 07/24/2012 1:41:22 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

That is 1/2 a year of Obamacare.


13 posted on 07/24/2012 1:44:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: muawiyah

Entrepreneurs will be able to create the dam and make it safer for the salmon and the bears. I suggest you send the article and your response to Romney’s PAC and give him some more ammo. I just wish he would go pro-life.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 1:46:06 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

If this is to be a heap-leach operation, there is every reason to have the strictest controls.


15 posted on 07/24/2012 1:53:29 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: muawiyah

I agree; safety is paramount. But the EPA won’t consider a deal. They’re 95% controlled by enviro-wackos who don’t want to be proven wrong that it can be done safely. If it can’t, then it shouldn’t be done until the technology catches-up to the economics of reality.


16 posted on 07/24/2012 1:53:50 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

Obama: “You’re not going to build that!”


17 posted on 07/24/2012 1:55:32 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Baynative

Something’s definitely wrong here, isn’t it? I think we both know “what” it is...


18 posted on 07/24/2012 2:00:50 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

At the very least, that we know right now. Betcha it’s much more, in the final accounting.


19 posted on 07/24/2012 2:08:51 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: cicero2k

Obstructionist-In-Chief.


20 posted on 07/24/2012 2:12:52 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I agree but it can still be done.


21 posted on 07/24/2012 2:16:19 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: hattend

“llow the Pebble Mine to happen and if the fishing is impacted, close it down.”

As if the enviros wouldn’t secretly poison the water with chemicals that are used in the mine.


22 posted on 07/24/2012 2:20:07 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: carriage_hill

The title of this article is misleading and is what I would expect to see on some envirowacko blog. It is not a “gold mine”, it is a COPPER MINE - “80 billion pounds of copper”. The envirowackos always use “gold mine” in a title to give the impression it is greedy miners out to destroy the earth.

We are already dependent on foreign oil, do we really need to be dependent on foreign copper too?


23 posted on 07/24/2012 2:24:07 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: carriage_hill
The mining company that is the best play for this is Liberty Star Uranium & Metals Corp. (LBSR: OTCBB).

http://www.libertystaruranium.com/

Liberty Star’s Alaska BIG CHUNK SUPER PROJECT

24 posted on 07/24/2012 2:36:24 PM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: huldah1776

Hope you’re right. My background includes managing a three pit surface coal mine and a 250 ton/hour wash plant so I know something about the process.
An estimated 99 percent of the rock unearthed in sulfide mining is waste that releases sulfuric acid which is a long term threat to human health. Acid mine drainage has damaged or destroyed 40 percent of the watersheds in the western US.
In Colorado, 17 miles of the Alamosa River was rendered dead by drainage from the old Summitville Mine. Eight miles of the Red River in New Mexico was rendered dead by acid leaking from old works. A tailings pond in Montana at the Berkeley Mine killed several hundred snow geese.

Wisconsin has enacted a law called “prove it first,” for copper, gold and other mining mining companies. I think it’s a good idea for Alaska.


25 posted on 07/24/2012 2:53:08 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: muawiyah

I could build a pretty nice waste processing plant for $2B (4% of anticipated revenue)

Anything to make the salmon happy.


26 posted on 07/24/2012 3:01:42 PM PDT by kidd
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To: carriage_hill

In NE Minnesota there are large deposits of copper and nickel and a few other minerals. However, the state’s environmental appointee (by dimwit Governor Mark Dayton) is determined to stop any mining at all. It’s one reason why the usually liberal voters in NE Minnesota are trending toward conservatives now.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 3:10:18 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: epithermal

You are so right; it is misleading. I forgot to point that out in my original comments. Good catch. America has everything it needs to be totally self-sufficient AND export huge amounts to the world, as we used to do in agriculture.


28 posted on 07/24/2012 3:15:42 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Gumdrop

Old saying, “If your enemies are killing each other, get out of the way”. Maybe some of them will have an epiphany and grow a brain?


29 posted on 07/24/2012 3:20:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Gumdrop
There's little Minnesota opposition to iron ore extraction. A greater share of the rock ends up as iron ore pellets and the rejects fit back in the pit.

In sulfide mining, the rejects are 25 percent larger than they were pre mining. This “swell factor” means a huge, above ground pile that won't fit in the pit. It is virtually impossible to bury or cover up the waste.

30 posted on 07/24/2012 3:23:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
For $2 billion we could ship all of the surface pile to an (extinct or quiet) volcano in the Pacific and just dump it in.

My thoughts on this are that space based ground penetrating radar systems will improve to the point we can find the intact magnetite meteors lodged in Earth's otherwise crystaline silicon surface and then mine them for what we need.

The sulfide meteors are a mess ~ but they're usually broken up with the metals leached out into "veins", or maybe even worse, scattered hither and yon over tens of thousands of square miles of disaggregated schist and clay ~ as valuable as this particular site is there are better sources, but we need to find them.

31 posted on 07/24/2012 3:52:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: carriage_hill

I didn’t mean to imply the title was any fault of yours. It is just a pet peeve of mine when I see journalists call a mine a gold mine, when gold is merely a by-product. In terms of gold, this mine is not that large.

There is going to be an airing of a PBS (barf) documentary on the Pebble project tonight, and of course they have titled it “Alaska Gold”, grrrrrrrrrrr. But, I expect no less from a left-wing propaganda hit-piece from PBS.

http://www.adn.com/2012/07/24/2554281/pbs-frontline-looks-at-pebble.html


32 posted on 07/24/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by epithermal
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To: epithermal

I didn’t take it that way, my FRiend. I was glad you caught it and noted it for the record. Thanks for the tip; I’ll record the show and watch it when I get a chance, later tonite.


33 posted on 07/24/2012 5:08:06 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

So, seems like this has been going on for a long time and no one can come up with a better way of doing things. I guess they’ll just have to wait till they do. It’s not going anywhere.

How’s Table Rock Lake doing? I used to live in Spfld. My favorite place was the little beach at Pomme de Terre. Always took my camera to take pics of the cedars while my son swam.


34 posted on 07/24/2012 5:27:02 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

I’m at Lake of the Ozarks, a bit north of Table Rock. We have plenty of water, even with the drought. Truman Reservior, above our lake, has something to do with this. Lake water is 90.
It is awfully hot. Air is 102 or 107 F.
Makes me wish for our days in Minnesota...


35 posted on 07/24/2012 7:56:34 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: carriage_hill

At what point is the tyranny of our federal idiots going to be discarded? Just start the digging and call the media and all officials and let them know how many jobs the feds want to destroy now!


36 posted on 07/24/2012 8:11:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: epithermal
Not to mention the hypocrisy of allowing China to mine the copper elsewhere using the most environmentally destructive techniques.

$500 billion can pay for a lot of protection up-front.

Where, by the way, were the salmon breeding during the last ice age a few thousand years ago? I saw some biologist talking about the danger of underground movement of waters in this area-- really? Through permafrost?

37 posted on 07/24/2012 10:14:34 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: carriage_hill

Screw the salmon, raise them in a damn tank if you want them!

Mine where the minerals are, drill where the oil is, and cut down the trees where the forests are, not where the enviros say you can!


38 posted on 07/24/2012 10:25:12 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
There is a double standard for mining in America that came about courtesy of our most worthless president Jimmah Cahtah.

In 1978, a broad new federal surface mining and reclamation law was put on the books mandating repair of surface mined coal lands.

Most coal states had their own top soil reclaim standards but these were superseded by a new agency in the Department of the Interior.

Hard rock mining was specifically exempted.

39 posted on 07/25/2012 4:56:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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