Skip to comments.Gun control losing support in U.S. despite mass shootings
Posted on 07/24/2012 1:39:10 PM PDT by South40
More Americans want to protect their right to own guns
In the wake of the Colorado shooting, celebrities who tweeted about the need for tighter gun controls in the U.S. seem to be out of step with the majority of Americans who are more concerned with protecting their right to own guns, a trend that may be traced back to President Barack Obamas ascension to the presidency in 2009.
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Two people in that theater...two people with concealed carry permits and armed with their guns. There would have been far fewer victims, one more fatality, and one less trial.
The decades-old trend is reversing as more Americans realize that the problem isn’t with guns but with people who would do harm, regardless of the means.
Every weekend I see more people at the range. Young and old. Male and female. I see more first-time shooters in their 40s and 50s, people who swore off guns as “implements of war” who are asking me about rifles or pistols. I see kids eager to learn to shoot. This is all very heartening.
What I do not see are politicians who are listening to their constituents. Even in Liberal bastions such as Miami, I know people who proclaim that guns are on the minds and in the hands of many people who’ve previously sworn them off as violent crimes, gangs, and drug cartels are becoming more brazen. They don’t want to be stuck unarmed in the crossfire or during an attempt at their lives.
I pray this continues unabated. I pray that if, God forbid, the Feds try for a gun grab, people will rise up with a resounding “No!” and proclaim that anyone, law enforcement or otherwise, who try to take them will be met with unwilling participants to disarmament. This is the essence of America: fighting back against tyranny, even if that tyranny is on our own shores.
How’s that scheme you and Eric cooked up to “get people thinking about guns in an entirely different way” so you could implement gun control “under the radar” working out for ya, Barry?
Situations like this are going to lead more people to want more guns. Since the 1800’s what was the percentage of people killed with guns? As the population grew, each year, what was the percentage? Since we now have about 330 million people, will we not see more murders, percentage wise? Include in that, the media today, wanting to make a bigger deal out of it. I’m not saying we should make small of something like this. But when we look at Chicago, is not that city a lot more violent and nothing is being done about it?
Gee...I wonder why. Does 2+2 still equal 4????
Gee, could it be a lack of trust of his demographic, or just pent up frustrations of all types of politicians?
That is extremely doubtful. The punk was protected by armor.
In many cases like this your comment would be entirely correct but not this one.
This poll is yet another policy rejection of Obama’s positions yet, other polls show he is close to re-election.
Somehow the People hate his ideas but are going to vote for him again? I don’t buy it.
It should read, ‘gun control losing support in U.S. BECAUSE of mass shootings’
Since the implementation of “Three Strikes and You Are Out” took many professional felons off the streets the crime/murder rates have fallen compared to historic levels.
“Since we now have about 330 million people, will we not see more murders, percentage wise?” I don’t think this is true if I understand what you are driving at. The absolute numbers of gun crimes has grown but I would think that the percentage has dropped.
Today’s 2012 movie theater shooting is yesterday’s 1982 Luby’s Cafeteria shooting.
Same crazies, different day.
In spite of his armor he surrendered imidiately when confronted by law enforcement. The last thing he wanted was a shootout, or to be shot at. Had there been even one armed citizen in that theater I believe it all would have ended more quickly with far fewer deaths.
That’s what I was trying to get at. We had the OK Corral back in the day, as well as others. This will always happen, as we had with Al Capone and so on. It’s not a perfect world and we do have nuts out there that will have to be dealt with.
Hey, I support gun control: I’ve got my Glock and Ruger under control, locked in my quick-access pistol safe :-)
Armor doesn’t protect everything. And you can certainly feel the hit through the armor. A couple of CCW holder could have made a difference.
There, fixed it.
Gimme a break! Have you ever actually had ANY firearms training?
Within the distances of where I sit in movie theatres, I could have put multiple hits in that freak's brain. Bang, bang, dead before he hit the floor.
Plus, so-called "body armor" is NOT reactive. A bullet hit causes enough pain to make you at least flinch, and probably fall over. Giving enough time to put a bullet or two in the brain pan for a finisher.
I don’t have a handgun permit, but it’s only because I refuse to pay several hundreds of dollars to exercise a right that should be guaranteed to me by the Constitution but isn’t. If it’s a right, then it should not cost me a cent other than the price of the firearm.
Charging for firearms licensing is no different than charging someone to vote.
Once again, do not let the liberals steal the debate in this case, and make it an issue of gun control. Instead, let us put liberals on the defensive and demand that congress expedite the federal appeals of state death penalties.
Congress has the authority to tell nit picking federal judges to back off from overturning death penalties on the flimsiest of pretexts.
That armor doesn’t mean much when a muzzle flash comes your way. While Batboy apparently had a helmet on he was wearing a gas mask on his mush. His head is the target, especially since his lower body was mostly screened by chairs. Any reasonably competent shooter can keep his rounds on a head sized target. When trying to take a dumbass out of a fight one does not aim for a non-lethal spot. Besides any bullet with 300 or more ft-lbs of muzzle energy will most likely knock the dummy off his feet, even if armor stops the round, long enough to subdue him. Picture this: 300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy is like getting hit by a linebacker full tilt boogy. 9mm or 38 spl ought to do nicely. No doubt in my mind just one armed citizen could have done a lot of good. Remember the one chick who unloaded on Hasan at Ft. Hood and “secured his operation”?
As for firearms training, I’m a combat veteran who has been in several firefights
The shift (away from a public preference for gun control) coincides with President Barack Obama taking office, observes Dougherty.
"There was a reaction to Obamas presidency. There was a growing concern at that time that there would be new restrictions on gun ownership coming down and it had the effect of raising the profile of this issue and mobilizing support for gun rights."
Oh it wouldn't have anything to do with falling crime rates wherever CCW laws have been adopted, would it? Or the "bloodbath" that didn't happen when the assault weapons ban expired?
I guess that's what makes them "the experts." /s
You have the numbers backwards. Population growth is not the issue. Firearms related aggression of every sort has dropped, percentage-wise with the growth in the PERCENTAGE of armed citizens. You can do the numbers any way you want but keep these in mind: There are over 300 million privately owned firearms in the USA——that is more , by far, than all the rest of the world combined——including the totals of all other militaries. Acts of stupidity by hoodums that are interrupted/stopped by armed citizens far out number misuse of firearms by those same dunderheads.
And by the way-—Obamuzzie has presided over record gun sales. He scares the krap out of people to the extent that over 15 million new firearms were sold in the US in 2011-—an all time record. And 2012 is on track to beat that record. There is no, REPEAT NO, recession in the gun business. And more people aren’t getting hurt because of it.
The armor still has to transfer the energy. Perp's not going to know what hit him.
It'll certainly test his bravado when the bullets start flying in his direction.
I’m still having problems with this assumption of body armor. I heard the description ballistic helmet and “tactical vest”. That got translated into protective body armor.
I’m just looking for an official police report that specifically says body armor. Tactical vest often means nothing more than lots of pockets and molle attachments.
BTW: Ballistic Helmet of what generation. Some of them are pretty good at keeping the round from exiting the far side.
That’s okay: gun control will be imposed on us anyway.
Now go pay your taxes, your government is broke. :)
I don’t think he was wearing head armor. He wasn’t on a suicide mission, he was a cowardly punk. A couple rounds in his direction, or better, into an arm or a leg, and he’d be calling for mommy.
They will be getting smacked with 500 - 1000 lbs of energy per sq foot with each hit.
That skinny punk would have went down.
I think that the Secret Service should go on strike until we all give up our guns.
Look up the “Happy Land massacre”.
Seems several in the audience were current soldiers. You’d think active duty military would be REQUIRED to be armed at all times, instead of officially _disarmed_ everywhere but assigned combat.
There still are no practical ‘bulletproof’ faceplates. And even if all the target presented was the side of a ‘bulletproof’ helmet, hitting him there would have taken him down at least for a while. While the helmet would have prevented a major caliber bullet from entering the skull, it still would have had a kinetic impact like taking a baseball bat to the head. He would have been down for a while with his bell rung.
Ever heard of the Bath School disaster of 1927?
44 dead, 58 injured.
Weapon: dynamite and pyrotol
> Seems several in the audience were current soldiers. Youd think active duty military would be REQUIRED to be armed at all times, instead of officially _disarmed_ everywhere but assigned combat
I’d never be without a gun except for the fact that I refuse to pay as much as the gun costs just for the licence to allow me to have it.
I saw that second guy on the “Goonies” movie!
At least those weapons are hard to come by for most.
Gasoline is still the #1 most “successful” mass murder weapon, it’s sold on every tenth street corner, costs about four bucks, and nobody thinks twice about anyone having it because most do.
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Any genius want to explain to me why Chicago and DC aren't crime free? #gunbans
Kristina (@KristinaRibali) July 24, 2012
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
When you pull that trigger that bullet has as much force as the recoil in your direction.
If it was like a linebacker full tilt, you would be on your ass every time you fired a round.
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Because of Suzanna Gratia Hupp’s activism, the Texas violent crime rate is dropping as more CCL’s are issued...
Meanwhile back in Chicago... and NYC... and Washington D.C... and LA...
Fort Hood had another little incident about three years ago and that monster, Hasan, sets in a VERY high dollar cell with 24/7 medical attention about 2 miles from where I am writing; Our county is doing well but the American taxpayer is not.
BTW, Fort Hood does not allow concealed carry and the Hasan incident was within about five miles of the Luby incident.
I checked your link and found out:
Suzanna is a DC, as is my son, Suzanna has her practice in Killeen, Texas (Fort Hoods home) as does my son... Suzanna was born on 1 January 1959, as was my son...
Not wishing Mr. Hupp any bad, but my son is currently single.
My renewal in Texas just cost me 35$ as a veteran . Yeah it should be free or not at all etc ... But I carry.
Stay safe troop....
A tank of gas is about equal to a stick of dynamite. The entire premise of the controllers is false. Free societies will always be at risk. Your choice in life is always to either defend yourself or be a victim and this attitude isn’t limited to violent or non-violent crime.
well, at least you know what your life is worth, mine is priceless to me
No, you haven’t taken enough math, physics, or engineering and are in danger of hurting yourself during your “calculations”. Firearms are designed to minimize the perceived recoil to the operator while expelling a slug with the desired kinetic energy. A typical 38 spl round delivers about 300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy to the target while requiring around a ten pound resistance from the hand of the shooter. I’ve been a real linebacker ( not a TV one) , engineer, and shooter of all sorts of weapons and I’m betting you couldn’t take any one of those hits.
Do you see shooters falling down backwards every time they take a shot? Do yourself a favor and google up muzzle energy of firearms and get an inkling of the kind of power you’re talking about.
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