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Obama Keeps Lead as Voter Anxiety Rises (New Tonight- Distressing)
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 24, 2012, 6:45 p.m. ET | NEIL KING JR. And DANIEL LIPPMAN

Posted on 07/24/2012 5:02:36 PM PDT by Positive

American voters are growing more polarized and locked in their views as they witness a presidential campaign that is boosting negative feelings about both candidates, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released Tuesday shows.

The poll also finds a resurgence of anxiety about the economy as job growth has slowed, though President Barack Obama maintains his edge on several fronts despite that. Half of registered voters feel less optimistic about the direction of the economy, with just 27% predicting the economy would improve over the next year—a sharp drop in optimism from recent months.

Still, coming in the wake of several weeks of intense TV campaign advertising, much of it negative, the poll of 1,000 registered voters found Mr. Obama leading his Republican rival, Mitt Romney, 49% to 43%, a gap mirrored precisely in four other Journal/NBC polls over the last year. The poll, conducted July 18-22, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; poll; president

1 posted on 07/24/2012 5:02:43 PM PDT by Positive
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To: Positive

Wow. 49%, thats terrible. I cant believe it. We are screwed. I hate stupid people :(


2 posted on 07/24/2012 5:09:06 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: Positive

Completely out of line with other polls....and it says these numbers are consistent with their previous polls, so it does not indicate any sort of positive trend. Sounds like a registered voter poll that should be ignored. They are likely oversampling Dems by a good margin.


3 posted on 07/24/2012 5:11:18 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Positive

I’m always dubious about percentage polls.

I think we know Baraq will run up big margins in Cal, NY, and Illinois.

But you really have to look at the battleground states one by one.


4 posted on 07/24/2012 5:15:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Positive

Don’t despair. “Registered Voters” is a more liberal group than “Likely Voters.” That is why NBC will always construct its poll this way. I have no idea why the WSJ pairs with that Leftist group in its polling.


5 posted on 07/24/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: ilgipper
They are likely oversampling Dems by a good margin.

46% Dems + Ind, Lean Dem

35% Reps + Ind, Lean Rep

16% Strict Ind

Skewed +11% Dem.

6 posted on 07/24/2012 5:18:54 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Is that seriously the sampling? Holy Cow, thats bad for even them.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 5:21:54 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Is that seriously the sampling? Holy Cow, thats bad for even them.


8 posted on 07/24/2012 5:21:54 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: GoCards
Who are you referring to as "stupid" in this context? The pollees or me?

My distress is about the 6 points and the WSJ implied endorsement.

9 posted on 07/24/2012 5:21:54 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive

Oh my certainly not you. Sorry!! Im talking about 49% of the stupid people :)


10 posted on 07/24/2012 5:24:26 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: GoCards
Here is the polling question:

QF4a Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as (ROTATE:) a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK:) Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK:) Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.")+

Strong Democrat ............................................... 24

Not very strong Democrat ................................. 11

Independent/lean Democrat .............................. 11

Strictly Independent .......................................... 16

Independent/lean Republican ............................ 12

Not very strong Republican ............................... 7

Strong Republican ............................................. 16

Other (VOL) ....................................................... 2

Not sure ........................................................... 1

+ Results shown reflect responses among registered voters.

11 posted on 07/24/2012 5:29:53 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: Positive

the other thing about this poll is they don’t break it down for R/D/I....i want to see what the percentages look like for the questions answered by Independents...


12 posted on 07/24/2012 5:36:17 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Positive

.

Frightened dependents: politicians love them.


13 posted on 07/24/2012 5:39:10 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: txrefugee
Thanks, I'm aware of that. I'm distressed by the spread in light of other recent polls, but by no means dispairing.

(Recently immigrated from Kalifornia to Texas)

14 posted on 07/24/2012 5:45:29 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: txrefugee
Thanks, I'm aware of that. I'm distressed by the spread in light of other recent polls, but by no means dispairing.

(Recently immigrated from Kalifornia to Texas)

15 posted on 07/24/2012 5:45:40 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: GoCards

Check that-—this has (ready?) a +11 Dem advantage, more than even 2008. It appears that the worse Obama is really doing, the more the skew the polls.


16 posted on 07/24/2012 5:47:30 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Palmetto Patriot
From Rasmussen at http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot:

Republicans lead Democrats by three points on the Generic Congressional Ballot for the third week in a row, this time for the week ending Sunday, July 22.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 43% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for the Republican in their district’s congressional race if the election were held today, while 40% would choose the Democrat instead.

In a FR thread yesterday I read that Rasmussen tracks self-identification closely in a sample of 3,500 likely voters and currently pegs self-identification as about 35% R, 35% D and 30% I, with the 'pubs in a slight lead.

WSJ is WAY oversampling Dims.

17 posted on 07/24/2012 5:50:47 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Let’s not tear apart the polling. The same shell game was going on in 2008 and people on here were somehow convincing themselves that McCain was actually leading. The polls are very likely correct.
Romney should be ahead by now. The economy has been crap for 3+ years and Obama is still in the high 40’s regardless of poll. So after all screw ups, bad economy, class warfare, Obamacare, etc... he is still, best case for us, tied.

What else do we think is going to change? This guy is like Clinton, no matter what he does or will do, he’ll win again.


18 posted on 07/24/2012 5:59:04 PM PDT by paul544
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To: Positive

The poll that you posted is flawed. See posts #5,6,11: registered voters, +11% democrats, 3% margin of error (x2=6%).

WSJ NBC is a good belly laugh. See Rasmussen for a serious poll.


19 posted on 07/24/2012 5:59:48 PM PDT by map
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To: GoCards
many freepers rejoicing that bamey could be dictator again....

rejoicing...oh, they'll be all bitching for the next 4 yrs..everyday, everyhour and expect the rest of us to give a damn...

but anyone who puts bamey back in office, either by not voting, voting for some obscure candidate or by voting for bamey...the blame is on them 100%...

20 posted on 07/24/2012 6:04:08 PM PDT by cherry (/)
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To: cherry

Id have to agree sadly, hoping they come around. He isnt my ideal candidate but I will be damned if I have anything to do with putting Bam Bam back in office.


21 posted on 07/24/2012 6:09:40 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: cherry

Id have to agree sadly, hoping they come around. He isnt my ideal candidate but I will be damned if I have anything to do with putting Bam Bam back in office.


22 posted on 07/24/2012 6:09:40 PM PDT by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: paul544

I hoped in ‘96 that the polls were wrong. You may be right, but this poll appears to be an outlier. The race is pretty close, and, by some accounts, Romney is ahead. The economy was doing a lot better in ‘96 than it is now.


23 posted on 07/24/2012 6:09:59 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

This is pre-season, the real games begin after the conventions.


24 posted on 07/24/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Positive
Just months before the Carter-Reagan election they had Reagan a 20 point underdog.

Two weeks before that same election that had Reagan a 10 or 11 point underdog.

If I recal, Reagan won 49 or the 50 states and was swept into office.

All these polls are to make the LIBERALS feel confident.

It won't change anything, however. Obama is history. You can see it coming.

25 posted on 07/24/2012 6:18:26 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Positive
I'm detecting a pattern here at FR. Every time a poll hows O’Romney losing, us Freepers pronounce the poll as invalid.

I believe these polls ARE correct. With so many people collecting a check of one sort or another ... and O’Romney is just not that exciting of a candidate ... basically a white Bamster ... I can easily believe these polls to be true these days.

26 posted on 07/24/2012 6:18:51 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: GoCards

Its a poll of registered, not likely, voters.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 6:21:05 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: Positive

We do not have to overcome polls - they are pure BS, as we saw this back during Reagan/Carter...we have to overcome now is voter fraud and an October surprise...what is the purple lipped bastard holding back on mittens? He got where he is by destroying his opponents before the election ever came about. Axelrod, Jarret, the MSM...all aligned...regardless, only voter fraud can overcome the American voice.


28 posted on 07/24/2012 6:24:27 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: VideoDoctor

True but we aren’t the country we were when Reagan ran. The demographic shift scares me. The amount of kids who have been stepped in Marxist thought has grown exponentially and they are all of voting age.


29 posted on 07/24/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: GoCards

REGISTERED voters. Poll is bunk.

The only polls that count are those of LIKELY voters, in “battleground states.” Pay attention to those.


30 posted on 07/24/2012 6:29:11 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: map
Well map,

Most of the Conservatives I've known in the 52 years since I have ardently followed politics, have been diplomatic, courteous and kind.

Most might have typed something like; "the WSJ/NBC poll is flawed" and gone on to say why.

You on the other hand, just bust it in my face; "the poll you posted is flawed" and refer me to other replys... Oh Thanks.

I have paid for the WSJ for 39 years... maybe it's because I have some respect for the Journal. But you are such a sophisticated analyst... you just laugh.

What is the national registration split as of July 2012?

Have you analyzed that?

When were you born?

Sorry for being such a grouch... Many years watching the decline of this electorate, and the culture from which it springs.

31 posted on 07/24/2012 6:29:46 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive
Rasmussen poll says Romney's ahead. The Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll says Obama's ahead.

Whatever.

32 posted on 07/24/2012 6:35:14 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: dfwgator
I suppose pre-season games attract every bit as much action with the compulsive bettor as the ones that count.

Speaking of which, I don't think I've asked how you expect Urban Meyer to do in Columbus (not counting this 'pre-season' year : - ), but feel free to weigh in if inclined.

33 posted on 07/24/2012 6:42:44 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: VideoDoctor
Jesus is coming soon. If Obama wins, I think He'll be here sooner than later.

(Note: Even though our prayer is "Jesus, come quickly," our role is to shine brightly. I'm not saying we should try to manipulate things in favor of darkness to get Him here sooner. That would be a true exercise in futility.)

I felt in my gut like Reagan would win early on - I don't remember what the polls were saying. Here, I don't feel as sure. Regan was smart and talked directly to the American people. Romney doesn't and probably doesn't know how, whereas Obama does and he's pretty good at it.

34 posted on 07/24/2012 6:44:36 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Positive

It is a tragedy that most Americans are very self indulgent and don’t have much inclination to study the issues. Issues are not high on their entertainment list. Most self indulgent Americans are not even thinking politics at this time. It is summer time and fun in the sun. Taking a poll survey is something they will avoid like the plague. Most will check their caller I.D. and not answer a pollster or any call with a mystery number. Those without caller I.D. are more likely to answer a pollster call. The demographic of these respondents, I suspect, are skewed Left.

But for now, it’s no time for useless phone calls or political programs. Even if they do start watching things (which is a big IF) it will be after the conventions for the entertainment value. That’s when the candidates start putting their big campaign money into to the media wars. Americans start paying attention because they love to see a mud fight. Too many will have listened to nothing political and will determine their vote for the most superficial of reasons. For all they are concerned, they could be voting for a Pet Rock.

It is too bad the American electorate is lazy, self-indulgent, misinformed and superficial.


35 posted on 07/24/2012 6:58:45 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Positive

You might want to check out the polls on Real Clear Politics. NBC/WSJ polls are almost always outliers. My guess is that NBC does the polling and WSJ, for reasons unknown to any of us, goes along. Their polling is consistently WAY more lib than any other polling group with the exception of Quinnipiac (Sp).


36 posted on 07/24/2012 7:03:43 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: Positive

Lighten up. I did not say you are flawed. The WSJ/NBC poll that you posted is what is flawed. The internals clearly show a bias: + 11% Democrats is way out of line.

I am not laughing at you. I am laughing at this poll.

I happen to trust Rasmussen’s likely-voter tracking more than the NBC influenced registered-voter poll.

In answer to your question about my age, I vividly remember the 1960 conventions, debates and election.


37 posted on 07/24/2012 7:06:53 PM PDT by map
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To: GoCards

obama has a following. Blacks,dimwits,morons,democrats,and the freeloaders.Oh ya, I forgot the illegals.


38 posted on 07/24/2012 7:16:09 PM PDT by wax wing
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To: Positive

Government workers and welfare cases outnumber the working class and if they vote we’re screwed big time!


39 posted on 07/24/2012 7:20:57 PM PDT by dalereed
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40 posted on 07/24/2012 7:29:12 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: cherry

Nice rant, but better placed at the feet of the Socialist Republican Party Establishment who should have thought about some of these things before sinking the conservatives and quietly financing the socialist among them.

Not ALL conservative Republicans corner well, willing to fall down and board this train running off the rails of fear, threats and intimidation. We told them so. We meant it.

If you didn’t vote for him and I didn’t vote for him, who the &@// voted for him? Let those who voted for this socialist drag his sorry buttinski across the line.

You and I calling each other fools, rubes and useful tools leading to the demise of the nation isn’t all that helpful.
You go crater in the ballot box. We will vote down ticket, but not for the ruse Romney that you’re counting on.


41 posted on 07/24/2012 7:43:30 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: CapnJack
"I believe these polls ARE correct. With so many people collecting a check of one sort or another ..."

I'm inclined to think there ARE as well, but I have a little further interpretation.

I believe that the "national" polls don't weight for States.

If I am correct, the very populus states of Kalifornia and New York and Illinois should be very heavily for Øbama, which may give Øbama a big lead in a popular poll.

But in the ultimate poll, the one on November 6, the only majority that counts is of the Electoral College and we all know that can happen with a minority of the popular vote.

42 posted on 07/24/2012 7:51:58 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: PapaNew
"Rasmussen poll says Romney's ahead. The Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll says Obama's ahead."

"Whatever."

Indeed... I subscribe to the Online Wall Street Journal and this poll was fresh, so I decided to share it, in case some might appreciate fresh input even thought it wasn't pro our side.

43 posted on 07/24/2012 8:00:35 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive; GoCards

Don’t be distressed. For some reason the WSJ/NBC poll skews left. 6 point lead for Obamugabe? Laughable. What are the internals? This is RV, not LV.

Fear not. The corrupt occupier is in much much much deeper trouble than this poll indicates.


44 posted on 07/24/2012 8:09:09 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: paul544

Come on, we should take a poll that admits to having an 8 points advantage (24 to 16) for ‘RATS in a year when Republicans are more excited to vote, as a reliable barometer?

I know what you’re saying...and I am disappointed Romney isn’t winning bigger...but a poll that is skewed li this still give Obamugabe only a six point lead isn’t good news for the Kenyan commie.


45 posted on 07/24/2012 8:15:40 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Positive
Simple facts: Obama is NOT winning any group he lost in 2008 and is NOT doing better with any group he is won in 2008 not even with Blacks. The question remains : who are you speaking to? These polls of “registered voters” are nothing more than psy-ops attacks to depress us. I believe they are stirring us up instead.
46 posted on 07/25/2012 4:49:05 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Positive
Simple facts: Obama is NOT winning any group he lost in 2008 and is NOT doing better with any group he won in 2008 not even with Blacks. The question remains : who are you speaking to? These polls of “registered voters” are nothing more than psy-ops attacks to depress us. I believe they are stirring us up instead.
47 posted on 07/25/2012 4:50:34 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Then there is the downside........ If Obama is winning, why should I get off my lazy ass to go vote for him? He ain’t really paying my rent like he said he wud


48 posted on 07/25/2012 4:54:52 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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