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James Holmes Spitting At Correction Officers, Forcing Use of Spit Guard
abc News ^ | July 24, 2012 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Posted on 07/25/2012 5:29:38 AM PDT by KyGeezer

Accused movie theater gunman James Holmes is spitting at jail officers so frequently that at one point he was made to wear a face guard, sources told ABC News.

Holmes' odd behavior was first seen by the public when he appeared in court Monday looking dazed, alternately bug-eyed and nodding with his eyes closing.

But ABC News has learned that his loopy court appearance was just one of several bizarre behaviors.

In the hours after his arrest Friday for the massacre at the Aurora, Colo., movie theater, Holmes stared at the wall in the Arapahoe Police Headquarters with his eyebrows twitching.

Holmes told police he was the fictitious Batman villain, the Joker, and when cops put evidence bags over his hands to preserve traces of gunpowder residue, he pretended the bags were puppets, law enforcement sources told ABC News affiliate KMGH-TV in Denver.

Since being held in the Arapahoe County Jail, Holmes has been spitting at the officers so much, they are forced to use a spit guard on Holmes when they have to move him.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aurora; holmes; inmates; jamesholmes
Back in my day spitting on jail staff would put you in the hospital.
1 posted on 07/25/2012 5:29:46 AM PDT by KyGeezer
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To: KyGeezer

He’s just trying to act crazy so he’ll get lenient treatment.


2 posted on 07/25/2012 5:31:50 AM PDT by refermech
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To: KyGeezer

If ABC is reporting this, it must be true. Or not...


3 posted on 07/25/2012 5:34:08 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: KyGeezer

4 posted on 07/25/2012 5:34:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: KyGeezer

They need to stick this guy in a room with some thugs doing hard time, and have the entire staff take a long lunch.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 5:35:11 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: KyGeezer

Let him spit all he wants, just don’t replenish his fluids. If dehydration is good enough for Terri Schiavo, it’s good enough for this sh!tball.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 5:37:12 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: refermech
He’s just trying to act crazy so he’ll get lenient treatment.

Probably so. In fact, his whole set-up looks a bit too organized for a crazy person. I'm betting he's a disaffected type with an axe to grind against society who in the end didn't have the co-jones to off himself.

7 posted on 07/25/2012 5:38:16 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ilgipper

When I was covering the police beat, spitters were said to have “fallen up the stairs.”


8 posted on 07/25/2012 5:38:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: KyGeezer

9 posted on 07/25/2012 5:42:32 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Anyone can fake being mentally ill...it just depends on if they can maintain the behavior or not. This creep needs to be found guilty and sentenced. Then, the LIBs can give him mental health “treatment” until her is “cured” at which time he should be brought to justice. This guy must havbe read about the ploy of the guy in Sweden who killed all those people and then was found mentally ill.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 5:45:23 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: KyGeezer

A nice fist sandwich with fat lips afterglow could make it rather uncomfortable to spit.
The Joker spits? Who knew? This punk is in dire need of a therapeutic whoop ash.


12 posted on 07/25/2012 5:51:55 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: KyGeezer

2+2. This POS is toying with them to build an insanity defense. These are all acts. He’s had this plotted out for months and knew he’d get a chance to go head to head with court appointed psychiatrists and try to fool them. I wouldn’t believe any of this garbage for a minute.


13 posted on 07/25/2012 5:55:17 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: KyGeezer
From what I heard about his academics, this guy is a natural-born brain expert that lost his way on Rx drugs. The reported 100mg of Vicodin he took before DRIVING implies a very high tolerance. In some individuals, these opiates can actually cause mania and psychosis.

His knowledge means he's going to look as crazy as he wants to be and will probably have his lawyers blame it on big pharma. They have a track record of encouraging addiction and often give under-the-table incentives to encourage doctors.

Opiate addiction often starts with unnecessary prescriptions written for the above reasons. I've seen these legal heroins prescribed for things like mole and wisdom teeth removals. Often ruining very good people as they surrender to the pills and send all their remaining assets to big pharma. They are the true cartels. Since 2008, addiction and injury rates from Rx opiates alone have exceeded that of ALL illegal drugs combined!

I also think we might see something resembling “Clockwork Orange”. This guy would be made into the victim, get treated for the addiction, get a huge settlement from big pharma and walk the streets laughing someday.

14 posted on 07/25/2012 5:57:48 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: tflabo

Yup.

Seems it would be hard to spit with a broken jaw.


15 posted on 07/25/2012 5:59:51 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: KyGeezer

Typcial “occupy” behaviour. He’s likely one of them.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 6:09:08 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: KyGeezer
But Randazzo also said there was a third possibility. He might simply be faking it.
17 posted on 07/25/2012 6:14:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: KyGeezer

Do we believe ABC News about *anything* anymore?

Just wondering.


18 posted on 07/25/2012 6:15:13 AM PDT by iceskater (The clock is ticking....November's coming.)
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To: KyGeezer

Zip tie his hands behind his back and then pull his shirt up over his head. Problem solved.


19 posted on 07/25/2012 6:15:13 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: KyGeezer

Yup! A good old fashioned wood shampoo would set his mind straight and tone down his behavior.


20 posted on 07/25/2012 6:21:35 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (GHWB gave us Souter. W gave us Roberts. Can we risk Jeb in the White House?)
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To: KyGeezer

Send him to his father ...


21 posted on 07/25/2012 6:23:43 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: refermech

Bingo...
Going for loony bin lock up for life...
Free TV, etc.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 6:26:07 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: varyouga

100mg of vicodin a) isn’t a lot and b) doesn’t make people go crazy


23 posted on 07/25/2012 6:29:24 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Doc Savage

I presume they’ve done brain scans on him.

Planning the thin so far in advance rules out the “short-term snap” theories such as “he was having a manic bout”.


24 posted on 07/25/2012 6:30:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: KyGeezer

ABC trying to help Holmes build an insanity plea.

Personally I don’t care if he is crazy or not. Anyone who kills 12 people needs to be executed,even if he is a raving lunatic who has to be strapped to the gurney in a Strait jacket.


25 posted on 07/25/2012 6:33:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Amen. 100mg of vicodin wouldn’t have an effect on my back pain. We aren’t talking dilaudid here..


26 posted on 07/25/2012 6:40:47 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
100mg of vicodin a) isn’t a lot and b) doesn’t make people go crazy

Here's one pill.

500mg acetaminophen, 5mg hydrocodone. I'm not understanding exactly what they are saying he took. 1/5 of one of these? Not hardly. Color me confused.

27 posted on 07/25/2012 6:42:21 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ilgipper

Worked for Dahmer.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 6:45:23 AM PDT by NCC-1701
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To: matginzac

This guy needs a firing squad made up of surviving relatives of the deceased. No mercy for this punk.


29 posted on 07/25/2012 6:58:16 AM PDT by refermech
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To: KyGeezer

He chose and decided to perform this evil. Premeditated to the max. Death penalty sentence—anything less is injustice.


30 posted on 07/25/2012 7:03:07 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Venturer

Good post. I agree.


31 posted on 07/25/2012 7:03:15 AM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Venturer

In fact executing “lunatics” that perform mass murder as a matter of practice would very likely “cure” those on the fringes...before they went off the deep end.


32 posted on 07/25/2012 7:05:55 AM PDT by Down South P.E. (Be a Berean Acts 17:11)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
My grandfather-in-law was a one time NYC cop. I know what he would have told this turd bird after an “accidental” stair fall:

'Consider yourself lucky this time. Because the next time you spit might be after you've grown a new face.'

33 posted on 07/25/2012 7:10:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: houeto

When someone takes Vicodin, it is noted by the amount of hydrocodone (typically 5mg, 7.5mg, or 10mg), not the acetaminophen content.

If he took “100mg of Vicodin”, it is meant that he took 100mg of hydrocodone (twenty of the weaker 5mg pills you posted a pic of, or ten of the stronger variety). It would knock a horse out, but not necessarily someone with a tolerance stemming from years of abusing the drug.


34 posted on 07/25/2012 7:12:24 AM PDT by Krameri
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To: varyouga
From what I heard about his academics, this guy is a natural-born brain expert that lost his way on Rx drugs. The reported 100mg of Vicodin he took before DRIVING implies a very high tolerance. In some individuals, these opiates can actually cause mania and psychosis.

We know that he was “found” with 100mg of Vicodin in his possession at the time of his arrest but we don’t really know yet if he had taken any prior, live alone 100mg which would be in most cases a fatal amount for many people and or even “if” he was a regular user of that drug. Even for a hard core user/abuser, 100mg of Vicodin taken all at once would render most unconscious in a short time.

I’m pretty confident that the police drew blood after his arrest to see what drugs he might have been on, so time will tell. And they will figure out where and from whom he got the Vicodin. (This perhaps being the very legitimate reason the police requested and were granted a seal from the judge on their search warrants).

I think it may have been part of his “big plan”; plant explosive in his apartment, time loud music to start prior to when the movie and his shooting rampage would start, hoping that someone would call the police and try to enter his apartment and that the resulting explosion would draw all the 1st responders to that scene thusly diverting all their attention from the movie theater and if he were shot and or injured during his getaway, he had a stash of pain killers on hand in case he needed them.

I think in his highly twisted and delusional mind, he thought he was actually going to make a getaway only to strike again somewhere later.

Opiate addiction often starts with unnecessary prescriptions written for the above reasons. I've seen these legal heroins prescribed for things like mole and wisdom teeth removals. Often ruining very good people as they surrender to the pills and send all their remaining assets to big pharma. They are the true cartels. Since 2008, addiction and injury rates from Rx opiates alone have exceeded that of ALL illegal drugs combined!

BS. Millions of people are prescribed pain killers by responsible doctors for short term pain relief of seriously painful conditions or post surgical. And the vast majority never ends up having addictions or accidents or go psycho as a result. The few people who are prone to or likely to abuse legally prescribed drugs are just as likely to use alcohol or illegal drugs.

I had a severely impacted wisdom tooth along with and infected molar removed back in the early ‘80’s and thank God for pain Rx; I recall it was Percocet – pretty much the same thing as Vicodin. I didn’t take the whole Rx and flushed the unused pills down the toilet but I was very grateful to have had them that first 48 hours, after the Novocain and the effects of sedation wore off, the pain was excruciating and unbearable before I finally broke down and took the pain meds. I have lower back problems, herniated disk and most of the time I deal with the pain and spasms, use core strengthening exercises and stretching and heat pads to deal with it but every once and a while it get so bad that I really I need pain meds and muscle relaxers.

The very few who abuse Rx drugs is not a reason to keep people with legitimate needs from getting them from responsible doctors. Yea, “big pharma” is to blame in all this …./sarcasm

Tell me all about the evils of “big pharma” when you have to undergo surgery without anesthesia and or have to deal with severe pain post surgical.

35 posted on 07/25/2012 7:13:31 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: KyGeezer

While doing an internet search I noticed Holmes has that stare in his eyes just like Richard Speck, the mass murderer of Chicago nurses in 1966.


36 posted on 07/25/2012 7:23:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: houeto

Vicodin comes in various mg’s


37 posted on 07/25/2012 7:26:10 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Krameri

If the Tylenol didn’t send you into liver failure first. And 100 mg hydrocodone would make even most tolerant people a little sleepy. I don’t buy it. Folks that are tolerant to high dose narcotics don’t waste their time on vicodin. To build the tolerance you would die of liver failure first


38 posted on 07/25/2012 7:31:53 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Krameri
If he took “100mg of Vicodin”, it is meant that he took 100mg of hydrocodone (twenty of the weaker 5mg pills you posted a pic of, or ten of the stronger variety). It would knock a horse out, but not necessarily someone with a tolerance stemming from years of abusing the drug.

Ok, then that's like Loritab. My Rx is for 10mg. My pain has to be severe for me to tolerate it otherwise one pill will make me sick. Most always, I break them in half.

39 posted on 07/25/2012 7:43:15 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Give him a few years in prison - he’ll learn to swallow.


40 posted on 07/25/2012 8:21:07 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: KyGeezer

120 years ago, this guy would barley be a memory, as he would have been hung 5 days ago, in public.


41 posted on 07/25/2012 8:57:17 AM PDT by conservative_cyclist (Give a Hoot, Vote for Newt)
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To: MD Expat in PA

‘Tell me all about the evils of “big pharma” when you have to undergo surgery without anesthesia and or have to deal with severe pain post surgical. “

Big Pharma provided the extraordinary drug cocktails that saved my husband from death by acute leukemia.

I’d like to take this opportunity to thank them.


42 posted on 07/25/2012 8:59:01 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
Big Pharma provided the extraordinary drug cocktails that saved my husband from death by acute leukemia. I’d like to take this opportunity to thank them.

Yea. “Big Pharma” is “evil” to some until they need the very drugs that “Big Pharma” provides. I’m so very glad BTW that your husband’s life was saved and that he is still with you- what a Blessing to you both. : )

My SIL is a breast cancer survivor – nearly 20 years now from her initial diagnosis, mastectomy and the follow up chemo treatments (extraordinary drug cocktails) that saved her life. Her husband, my brother underwent surgery for Spinal stenosis just a few years ago. He would have been in excruciating and unbearable pain both pre and post op if it were not for the pain meds he was prescribed. And thankfully he had a very good surgeon and after his recovery and many months of PT, he no longer needs any pain meds, not even an OTC.

Big Pharma, pain meds and the doctors who ethically proscribe them to people who legitimately need them are not the problem. Unethical doctors and drug seekers who will seek out drugs anyway they can are a problem but IMO, you don’t punish all for the actions of a few.

43 posted on 07/25/2012 4:28:36 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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