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Whistleblower: NSA is watching all of us
Roger Hedgecock dot com ^ | 7/25/2012 | Roger Hedgecock

Posted on 07/25/2012 10:40:37 AM PDT by JOAT

The TSA, DHS and countless other security agencies have been established to keep America safe from terrorist attacks in post-9/11 America. How far beyond that does the feds' reach really go, though?

The attacks of September 11, 2001 were instrumental in getting the US government to establish counterterrorism agencies to curb future tragedies. Some officials say that they haven't stopped there, though, and are spying on everyone in America.

Testimonies delivered in recent weeks by former employees of the National Security Agency suggest that the government is going beyond what most of America thinks they do in order to keep the country terrorist-free. Former NSA staffers even say that theirs old agency has actually been spying on the entire country — all in the name of national security.

On an interview carried on Current TV's Viewpoint program on Monday, former NSA Technical Director William Binney commented on the state of blanketing surveillance along with colleagues Thomas Drake and Kirk Wiebe, the agency's former senior official and senior analyst, respectively. The broadcast comes on the heels of a series of speeches given by Binney, who has quickly become more known for his whistle-blowing than his work with the NSA. In their latest appearance this week, though, all three former staffers corroborated on earlier accounts by suggesting that America's spy program is really more dangerous that others deem it to be.

Speaking to Viewpoint host Eliot Spitzer, Drake said there was a "key decision made shortly after 9/11, which began to rapidly turn the United States of America into the equivalent of a foreign nation for dragnet blanket electronic surveillance."

Although this accusation has been supported by claims that it is for national security, says that it doesn't stop there. In fact, warns the former NSA official, the government is giving themselves the power to put intel on every American aside for potential future crimes.

"When you open up the Pandora's Box of just getting access to incredible amounts of data, for people that have no reason to be put under suspicion, no reason to have done anything wrong, and just collect all that for potential future use or even current use, it opens up a real danger — and to what else what they could use that data for, particularly when it's all being hidden behind the mantle of national security," Drake said.

Although Drake's accusations seem astounding, they corroborate allegations launched by Binney only a week earlier. Speaking at the Hackers On Planet Earth conference in New York City earlier in the month, Binney addressed a room of thousands by speaking about the NSA's domestic spying. But in a candid interview with journalist Geoff Shively during HOPE, the ex-agency official admitted that things really are rather scary.

"Domestically, they're pulling together all the data about virtually every U.S. citizen in the country and assembling that information, building communities that you have relationships with, and knowledge about you; what your activities are; what you're doing. So the government is accumulating that kind of information about every individual person and it's a very dangerous process," Binney claims.

Both statements from the former NSA official come on the heels of a revelation that law enforcement officers collected the cell phone records of 1.3 million Americans in 2011 alone. By carrying out this and similar requests under provisions in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and using National Security Letters, though, news articles are emerging everyday suggesting that the surveillance of Americans — off the radar and under wraps — is becoming occurring more and more exponentially by the minute.


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KEYWORDS: bigbrother; domesticspying; ehelon; nsa; projectechelon
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Your FReeping comments, your surfing habits, what you watch and buy and who you associate with are being compiled. But hey, if you're doing nothing wrong, why should you care? (Sarcastically channeling the bootlickers)
1 posted on 07/25/2012 10:40:41 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT
Did they spy on James Holmes the killer, or Brian Ross’s James Holmes?
2 posted on 07/25/2012 10:44:24 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: JOAT

I don’t give a chit if they want to collect my surfing habits and they can publish them on the front page of the NYT.

Sincerely,

Bootlicker


3 posted on 07/25/2012 10:50:18 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

Kool. When they decide your political comments constitute a crime against the state five years from now, I’m sure you’ll still hold the same opinion.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 10:52:48 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT
When they decide your political comments constitute a crime against the state five years from now, I’m sure you’ll still hold the same opinion.

1) What evidence do you have that this will take place?

2) No, then I'll get mad.

5 posted on 07/25/2012 10:55:55 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
So you don't care about the 4th Amendment, or the rule of law?

/johnny

6 posted on 07/25/2012 10:58:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bkepley
So, 'bkepley' since you don't mind if everything you do is on the front page of the NYT, why don't you put up or shut up?

Right now, post your full name address and social security number right here on FR.

I also want a full list of every group you belong to, all your closest friends and a photo of you and every family member you love.

After all, YOU don't have ANYTHING to hide, right?

Come on, big boy, do it.

Nobody would abuse that info, ESPECIALLY this government!

7 posted on 07/25/2012 11:02:32 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: bkepley
What evidence do you have that this will take place?

You gotta be kidding!

8 posted on 07/25/2012 11:03:53 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: JRandomFreeper

You have to choose your interests. My interest leans more to security. I don’t think the consitution is a suicide pact but I’m not a constitutional scholar. If you want to fight those battles then good for you. I’m just of the opinion that with access to the technology of WMD’s being more and more available my interests are with internal security being as strong as possible. I’m more afraid of the terrorists than the workers at the NSA. That’s just me, YMMV, etc.


9 posted on 07/25/2012 11:04:24 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: JOAT

So he blows the whistle on Client #9’s show on AlGore TV (which is probably monitored by nobody BUT the NSA?) ???


10 posted on 07/25/2012 11:06:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JOAT

FU, you post it.


11 posted on 07/25/2012 11:07:05 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
FU, you post it.

Oh, so you DO have SOMETHING to hide.

HA! All hat and no horse there cowboy.

So, for the slow ones among us, let me translate.

All that info and MUCH MUCH MORE is being compiled by a government that doesn't have your best interests at heart.

Get it?

12 posted on 07/25/2012 11:11:05 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: bkepley
In the 20th century, governments were FAR more deadly than terrorists. Tens of millions killed by their own governments.

How many were killed by terrorists?

You go with your fears. I'll go with historical facts.

/johnny

13 posted on 07/25/2012 11:11:18 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JOAT

>Oh, so you DO have SOMETHING to hide.

What? I said my surfing habits idiot. I don’t surf.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: JOAT
This kind of stuff kills me. Do you really have an expectation of privacy when you post something on the internet?! Really??? How about when you buy something with a credit card?

There's no Constitutional right to this stuff being private. You want privacy? Only use cash, cancel your internet and cable. Go back to the agrarian existence of our forefathers.

You want the convenience of google maps, facebook, Visa/Mastercard, and your 500 channels then you open yourself up to being 'tracked' or whatever the tin-foilers call it. It's all out there in the ether ready for the gov't or any business to just pick out.

15 posted on 07/25/2012 11:15:44 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: TornadoAlley3

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-obama-administration-violated-the-constitution-but-wont-reveal-how/260239/


16 posted on 07/25/2012 11:15:43 AM PDT by pwatson
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To: JRandomFreeper
In the 20th century, governments were FAR more deadly than terrorists. Tens of millions killed by their own governments.

That's right but this is not the 20th century.

17 posted on 07/25/2012 11:16:13 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: JOAT
“Whistleblower: NSA is watching all of us”

Ok lets have some fun and give them something to do!

Device, emergency, plan, homeland security, french fries, terminate, Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau, detonate,

18 posted on 07/25/2012 11:17:01 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: JOAT

If they had kept a closer eye on Weiner’s weiner,, uhhhh

Does Huma eat Kosher? hmmm.. maybe her online shopping data and emails to her puppet, Hillary would tell ..


19 posted on 07/25/2012 11:18:16 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: bkepley
In my lifetime, governments have killed 10s of millions of their own citizens.

I'll maintain a wary eye on government. They have a well earned reputation for being dangerous, for thousands of years.

/johnny

20 posted on 07/25/2012 11:20:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bkepley
Okay keyboard tough guy, you clearly didn't think through your NYT boast, I'll give you a pass on that.

Can you see ANY sort of problem with a rogue government agency having access to all your data? To daisy-chained info including photos of all your family and friends and 'associates?'

Anything?

21 posted on 07/25/2012 11:21:00 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: bkepley

“What evidence do you have that this will take place?”

If you don’t already know that then you are too stupid and ignorant to understand any reply to that question.


22 posted on 07/25/2012 11:22:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: JOAT
Technically, it's much more complex than just 'daisy-chained'.

Using complex multi-dimensional mathamatics, very sophisticated information can be derived from seemingly unrelated information, if they have enough information.

/johnny

23 posted on 07/25/2012 11:23:59 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“In the 20th century, governments were FAR more deadly than terrorists. Tens of millions killed by their own governments.”


Exactly! Close second over all of history would be religion especially when a religion became the government of a region.

The greatest man made threat to civilization is #1 government and #2 Islam (behaving like a government).

Governments kill millions yet liberals want more government.

Governments spend trillions more than they confiscate from citizens yet liberals want more government.

Governments restrict freedoms yet liberals want more government.

Governments want to confiscate more money from the producers of jobs yet liberals want higher taxes for bigger government.

Seems like liberals or those who would surrender our freedoms for fake security are always WRONG.


24 posted on 07/25/2012 11:25:10 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: JOAT
If you voluntarily are putting personal info out on the internet you can't possible think you are entitled to have that info remain private. It can be compiled by whoever has the time/money to do such things.

Now, what this info is USED for may be another story. But I'm not sure how many rogue agencies are out there. And quite honestly, if they want to spend time compiling stuff about me that I put out there, good luck. But I'm not sure what knowing my favorite french toast recipe will accomplish.

25 posted on 07/25/2012 11:26:14 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: JOAT

Absolutely, and as with anything else you have to choose what is in your interest. It’s my opinion, and probably the opinion of others, that for now the danger is elsewhere. Personally I thing that totalitarian government is more likely to happen here as a result of the failure of our government from defending us that from the failure of us to defend us against our government. I’ve been a Freeper for 12 years or more and I realize that there is a very vocal segment, possibly the majority that sees it differently.


26 posted on 07/25/2012 11:29:25 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: thefactor
Technically, it is unlawful for NSA to collect information on US citizens. They are breaking the law. Do you not care about a government agency breaking the law?

/johnny

27 posted on 07/25/2012 11:29:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

http://freekeene.com/2009/04/16/in-case-of-thuggery-call-porcupine-411/

Not my blog, just a brief description of porcupine411. Govt’s watching? let’s watch them right back. Porcupine, unstoppable recorder apps, etc. Don’t leave home without it!


28 posted on 07/25/2012 11:33:07 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: bkepley
NSA gathering information on US citizens unlawfully IS totalitarian government.

If the government isn't following the law, and doing whatever they like, that's totalitarian.

/johnny

29 posted on 07/25/2012 11:33:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JOAT

http://rt.com/usa/news/nsa-whistleblower-binney-drake-978/


30 posted on 07/25/2012 11:34:30 AM PDT by pwatson
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To: JRandomFreeper
NSA gathering information on US citizens unlawfully IS totalitarian government.

Your opinion. The US has throughout history done unlawfull things in the interests of security but I would say was never a totalitarian state although it's clear John Wilkes Booth disagreed.

31 posted on 07/25/2012 11:37:29 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: thefactor
Let me fix that for you:

It can be is being compiled by whoever has the time/money to do such things.

The question that is the heart of this is: WHY?

Why would anyone care enough to collect, store and evaluate information on EVERY person? Most of us are quite mundane if we are honest about ourselves, and it seems like a colossal effort from a government that claims it can't track illegals.

So, WHY collect info on every American?

That, fellow FReeps, is the question to ponder.

No one spends that kind of dough for a benign project.

32 posted on 07/25/2012 11:40:08 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

After 9/11, all the aparatus of our intelligence agencies was turned inwards. The Major Hassan case PROVES that it was not to find Muslim terrorists. They knew he was comminicating with terror leaders in the Middle east and still did nothing. The walls of a prison are being built around us and our freedom is lost.
The only question is when do they close the front gate and drop the mask?
They estimate that there will be no resistance, because they saw Aussies and Brits turn in their guns. They believe we are basically the same. This horrible miscalculation will not end well.

They demand complete totalitarian control, a large element of our population will not compy and only wants to be left alone. They are determined to endlessly harrass that population.

We are headed straight for a civil war unless they blink, which i don’t think they are capable of doing. Where is the line, what is the trigger event? Nobody knows, and this is a twisted version of America i do not want to give to my kids. Dangerous times.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 11:49:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: JOAT

Well, do you think they collect it and only look into the information that could be used to harm the country? Is it worth it for the gov’t to pay a lot in order to protect the country? I think so. That way, they maintain their power. If this happens, BOTH parties are involved. This info wouldn’t be used to round up gun owners or hippie liberals.


34 posted on 07/25/2012 11:52:16 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: bkepley

I am 100 time more TERRIFIED of my government than any terrorist organizations.

Terrorists kill people by the hundreds. Totalitarian governments kill people by the millions.

You are part of the problem. You are complacent about government power. I’m baffled you are on an electronic bulletin board populated with people who by and large want to limit government power.

There is one in every group. Enjoy the coming tyranny that comes from trusting the government to “do the right thing”. Nice job. Your grandkids are going to love being oppressed.


35 posted on 07/25/2012 11:55:59 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: JOAT

“When they decide your political comments constitute a crime against the state five years from now,”

IF that ever actually occurred, that is 100% absolute justification for any and all violence to be employed against the executors and creators of that despotic law. It would be like shooting a gestapo or NKVD man, or one of Castros or Hugos thugs, or a mutawa.


36 posted on 07/25/2012 11:57:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“In the 20th century, governments were FAR more deadly than terrorists. Tens of millions killed by their own governments.
How many were killed by terrorists?
You go with your fears. I’ll go with historical facts”

Post of the day sir.


37 posted on 07/25/2012 12:00:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: thefactor

“favorite french toast recipe”

Including a statement like that is rude, cruel and uncalled for, unless you also include the recipe.

I am a diabetic, on a diet and you created unwarranted mental pain, stress and suffering for me. Thanks to you, I will now be in a very bad mood when my wife gets home from work, likely resulting in a domestic situation that you personally caused.

I hope you get arrested.


38 posted on 07/25/2012 12:02:38 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: thefactor
Well, do you think they collect it and only look into the information that could be used to harm the country?

I think that is the precise argument that is used at the front end of every project that mutates and grows into something entirely different.(The Dems say it is for the children/common good, the Repubs say it is for your security)

Our founders completely understood human nature when they desperately attempted to erect barriers to keep the government small and relatively weak.

It took less than 100 years for the monster to start overpowering its master.

Now the process is nearly complete. The Constitution/rule of law held back the tide for a long while, but the time is now upon us to reinvigorate the principles on which the Constitution was founded. The desire to RULE by iron over other men is strong in a certain element, and they hold power now.

How do you RULE over men who will have none of it?

Brute force.

How do you know who to eliminate first to make the bootlickers slurp? Well, that is a powerful question, isn't it?

39 posted on 07/25/2012 12:03:06 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: DesertRhino
IF that ever actually occurred, that is 100% absolute justification for any and all violence to be employed against the executors and creators of that despotic law. It would be like shooting a gestapo or NKVD man, or one of Castros or Hugos thugs, or a mutawa.

I believe that is the intention of a certain phrases in our founding documents sir.

"Alter or abolish" "ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"

40 posted on 07/25/2012 12:07:19 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: thefactor
If you voluntarily are putting personal info out on the internet you can't possible think you are entitled to have that info remain private.

But such surveillance goes way beyond what is on the Internet. It includes your shopping histories, where you have traveled and for how long, most likely your phone calls, the content of your text messages and so much more.

Beyond that, I do expect that much of the info I put online (banking, legal, content of emails) remain private. If the Covernment wants to see that they can go through legal channels to get it - a warrant or subpoena. And not some flimsy National Security Letter or trumped up subpoena.

It can be compiled by whoever has the time/money to do such things.

Of course, the federal government is the only entity with the time, resources and (so they think) legal authority to do so.

41 posted on 07/25/2012 12:14:53 PM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
I search for products on Amazon, ebay, etc...

I'm also in the Army. Then when I go to facebook, guess what types of ads appear in the margins of my facebook feed. The exact type of products I searched on the other sites. Also, Army stuff. When you think about it, it's scary. Sure make life easy, though.

42 posted on 07/25/2012 12:22:51 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: JOAT

Amen. And just another thing occurs to me. For all i know, you could be one of the government people posting such things to lure people into saying things that cause them to self identify.
Or maybe you are just a freeper.

But the very fact that we even have to consider such possibilities means we live in a softer edged, far more sophisticated version of the USSR, with a veneer of Americana. We live in an officially and agressively athiestic state, which has a pathological hatred for the family, for the individual, for private property, for traditional morality, or the founders notions of Liberty.

But there is something they have not factored for. There is a sizeable number of people who do not hold to this new version and will not submit. It is non-negotiable. I hate my children might have to endure the chaos and upheaval that is coming. But this decade old move into a full police state must be strangled in the crib, and soon.


43 posted on 07/25/2012 12:24:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: bkepley

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

The former NSA official held his thumb and forefinger close together:
“We are that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.”

For his part, Inglis simply engaged in a bit of double-talk, emphasizing the least threatening aspect of the center: “It’s a state-of-the-art facility designed to support the intelligence community in its mission to, in turn, enable and protect the nation’s cybersecurity.” While cybersecurity will certainly be among the areas focused on in Bluffdale, what is collected, how it’s collected, and what is done with the material are far more important issues. Battling hackers makes for a nice cover—it’s easy to explain, and who could be against it? Then the reporters turned to Hatch, who proudly described the center as “a great tribute to Utah,” then added, “I can’t tell you a lot about what they’re going to be doing, because it’s highly classified.”

And then there was this anomaly: Although this was supposedly the official ground-breaking for the nation’s largest and most expensive cybersecurity project, no one from the Department of Homeland Security, the agency responsible for protecting civilian networks from cyberattack, spoke from the lectern. In fact, the official who’d originally introduced the data center, at a press conference in Salt Lake City in October 2009, had nothing to do with cybersecurity. It was Glenn A. Gaffney, deputy director of national intelligence for collection, a man who had spent almost his entire career at the CIA. As head of collection for the intelligence community, he managed the country’s human and electronic spies.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/3/


44 posted on 07/25/2012 12:29:41 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: bkepley

“Those who forsake essential liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
=Benjamin Franklin


45 posted on 07/25/2012 12:30:24 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: thefactor
Sure make life easy, though.

I'm not sure how much "easier" my life is & will be when the government is intercepting my emails, texts & phone calls.

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

46 posted on 07/25/2012 12:33:36 PM PDT by gdani
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To: JOAT; bkepley
To daisy-chained info including photos of all your family and friends and 'associates?'

Oh... you mean like FACEBOOK ? Don't need a warrant to get that kind of info. It's free, and public.

47 posted on 07/25/2012 12:35:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Gator113
Have you ever been on www.pinterest.com?

Go there and search 'french toast' or 'gluten free french toast' or, quite honestly, anything else on the planet. You'll be amazed. Food is just one category.

48 posted on 07/25/2012 12:41:52 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: phockthis

“The former NSA official held his thumb and forefinger close together:
“We are that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.””

And hard cover copies of Unintended Consquences are running about 200 bucks these days.
You know, street crimes are just so random. It’s be a real shame if anything happened to some of these people busily forging our chains. Just a real shame.


49 posted on 07/25/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: JOAT

The government has the ability to watch you through your computer and cell phone cameras. My computer was hacked into and a guy taunted me over the net saying things I had said to my kids minutes earlier. I had just got a new computer and had not closed down all the ports yet.


50 posted on 07/25/2012 12:48:44 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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