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Is this Voter Fraud in the Making?
Disrupt the narrative.com ^ | 7/17/12 | P. Henry Saddleburr

Posted on 07/25/2012 6:06:53 PM PDT by Nachum

This mailer arrived in our box for my wife today. My first suspicion was that this mailer was under her ‘familiar’ name, not her ‘legal’ name. Plus, she’s already registered to vote.

But there was something fishy about this mailer so I couldn’t help but delve deeper.

It appeared to come from the Virginia State Board of Elections, but upon further investigation it actually came from the Voter Participation Center, which is a partner organization with the George Soros funded Center for American Progress and both groups have direct ties to the Obama White House. It started out as part of the Tides Foundation. Looking at the biographies on these sites show lots of people with ties to the Obama and Clinton Administrations, and is part of the Democrats’ criminal syndicate. Have a look at this from Discover the Networks. And this from Wikipedia.

The VPC also focuses on educating policymakers and media on issues impacting what it calls the “rising American electorate”, including a series of reports produced in March 2010, in partnership with the Center for American Progress.

Now. Notice the address on the return envelope

(Excerpt) Read more at disruptthenarrative.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: fraud; making; virginia; voter
Things are getting interestinger
1 posted on 07/25/2012 6:06:58 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 07/25/2012 6:07:46 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Now, now, now. It’s only fraud if Heinrich Holder says it’s fraud.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 6:08:21 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: Nachum

We live in interesting times...all emotion aside.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 6:09:04 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Nachum
There was a thread about this earlier today..Looks like authorities are labeling it voter fraud. Look up the thread. You may want to handle the envelop as little as possible....Voter fraud was link in one incident by DNA on the envelop.
5 posted on 07/25/2012 6:13:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Nachum

Voter fraud is a key part of 0bama and the dim’s strategy.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 6:13:40 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: Nachum

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2910814/posts


7 posted on 07/25/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: Nachum

If I were a (non-Democrat) prosecutor trying to make a name for myself, I would call that mail fraud.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 6:45:39 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Nachum
Is this Voter Fraud in the Making?

Yes, it is. I've read several articles about the VPC. The rats are doing their best, but we're on to them. We need to stay very vigilant. Suspect anything that smells like a rat.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2910789/posts

9 posted on 07/25/2012 6:46:16 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Nachum

If you have to ask the question, it probably is intended to facilitate voter fraud.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 6:47:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: AZLiberty
Mail Fraud consists of several very specific things. Not paying your postage could be one, and writing a check to a politician for a bribe is another.

What the complaint here is about is MISREPRESENTATION of who the mailer and returnee really are.

Looking through all of it I don't see mail fraud unless they've not paid their postage. You can find out who every party to this mailing is by calling Lansdale PA post office ~ they will tell you holds the permits and who the mail receiving agent is for the post office boxes at those 9 digit zipcodes.

There are no secrets in this although it might not be immediately obvious to the inexperienced.

BTW, asking some one for DOB and Social Security number isn't prohibited last time I looked.

11 posted on 07/25/2012 6:56:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All

from my experience, this seems like a legit attempt to collect data for future use and sale to Omaba’s campaign for solicitation. The reply device goes to a PO Box and the zipcode is not for the final address but for the account for the BRC accounting thing so the post office gets their money for delivering the return envelope. The rest of the inconsistencies are not out of the ordinary for direct mail pieces, which was my business for almost 20 years.
The only thing I have a problem with is the SSN.. There should not be any request for SSN..

I actually had a run-in with these hacks running the local “voter participation center” aka Soros front-group and told them that their name sounded too “Soviet” to be legitimate and they walked away.


12 posted on 07/25/2012 6:59:12 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Nachum

ping!!


13 posted on 07/25/2012 7:00:09 PM PDT by BruCru (I think, therefore I am conservative!)
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To: Nachum

Ping.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 7:06:19 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Nachum

Romney has asked to State of VA to investigate this matter. Link:

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jul/25/13/tdmain01-romney-camp-asks-va-to-probe-voter-forms-ar-2081517/


15 posted on 07/25/2012 7:10:58 PM PDT by deport
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To: Nachum

Might take a look at your insurance company, and connections to Soros.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 7:15:15 PM PDT by pallis
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To: deport

love to see ‘The Cooch’ bring in Romney and the lt. Governor as the first witnesses ~ just interrogate them down to their little toes then pull the nails.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pallis
Are you referring to Progressive Auto Insurance? Are there any other insurance companies that are leftist? I know of a radio host who broadcasts a program in Chicago called Those Were The Days, a old time radio programs show...he's the new owner of the radio show, a poster on Facebook by the name of Steve Darnall, (or Darnal), and many listeners are not aware that this guy is a lefty. I started getting suspicious when Darnall failed to celebrate important holidays, days of commemoration in America, and he also avoids any celebration of Christian and Jewish holidays, like Easter, Christmas, etc...something the previous owner of the radio program would always commemorate by playing old time radio programs that reflected the same..he's apparently anti-religious...it's so “American” you know!

These skanky old commies in Chicago are out there, and everywhere else as I've come to learn. When you run into one, do what you can to derail them, out them and put them out of business. As the saying goes, RESIST.

18 posted on 07/28/2012 1:53:20 PM PDT by itssme
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To: muawiyah
You can find out who every party to this mailing is by calling Lansdale PA post office ~ they will tell you holds the permits and who the mail receiving agent is for the post office boxes at those 9 digit zipcodes.
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Are you sure? I have tried to do that kind of research, but have always (30+ years) been told by the local post office in towns where I have lived that it is not legal for them to reveal who owns a specific permit number (violation of their privacy). Can you point me to a postal regulation that says this is legal? This will help immensely if so.
19 posted on 07/28/2012 2:10:56 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
When it comes to a post office box if you get a piece of mail with a PO BOX return address you can ask who holds the box ~ this is not private or confidential provided you have a piece of mail to show the holder sent something to you.

When it comes to permits to mail at a presort, bulk or discount rate, those are NEVER private, and almost all of them are held by other than private individuals ~ so, yeah, they gotta' give you the information. If they don't you take it upstairs to the Postmaster General.

Ordinarily USPS mail acceptance personnel (not the window clerk) are going to verify that the permit being used to mail is lawfully used by the individual or company making the mailing. They have a nationwide electronic data base to check to do that.

That, BTW, is done with each mailing, so none of these are a case of postage cheats taking mail over and just dumping it on the platform until it's taken in and worked. USPS gets paid first.

In cases where you suspect somebody is using a permit imprint improperly you can report that to a Postal Inspector.

I didn't find anything improper in any of this (40 years experience plus I wrote all these rules so I probably ought to know but I could have missed something). HOWEVER there are a number of federal laws against misuse of federal agency names, symbols or insignia ~ one of them right here; http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/709

The question is Soros' misuse of the address for a state agency ~ but the federales have a real problem there ~ it's a state matter, and USPS doesn't involve itself in state law enforcement EXCEPT under it's fraud against government agencies program. You might want to read the following as well: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1341

20 posted on 07/28/2012 2:34:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: itssme

“Are you referring to Progressive Auto Insurance?”

A friend of Soros owns Progressive, but Soros is involved in the insurance business, so it’s possible he could get personal information. Are you sure your new radio station owner isn’t a Jehovah’s Witness, not saying he couldn’t be a commie? I think most Democrats are commies, but we can’t say that in polite company.


21 posted on 07/28/2012 4:23:43 PM PDT by pallis
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To: muawiyah

So you’re saying that if I get a piece of campaign literature from a mailhouse using say “Permit Number 123” and I ask who that is (at the post office of mailing), they have all been lying to me for way over 20 years by telling me they’re not allowed to? That is amazing. When you say to take it up to the Postmaster General, do you mean just a letter requesting the same info, or do mean a complaint form?


22 posted on 07/28/2012 4:53:53 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
if someone sends you a solicitation of any kind and you can't tell who they are from the return address or other identifying information and all you've got is a permit number they gotta tell you who holds the permit.

That may be meaningless information though since people hire mail shops that have their own permits to do the mailing.

What you need to know is something the average person doesn't and that's how USPS actually works. so, read through the material on fraud ~ because it's not "Mail Fraud" that's a problem here, it could simply be fraud. Also, note the name of that program ~ the one that gets Postal Inspectors to check out problems encountered by states. I'd suggest that if anyone has a complaint it'd be the state board of elections. They'd need to complain.

23 posted on 07/28/2012 5:07:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: pallis
The new owner of the radio program, Those Were The Days, on public radio station WDCB, in Glen Ellyn, IL is a full blown socialist...I looked him up on Google, and his Facebook page confirms this.

As for what we can say in polite company, the heck with so called “political correctness”. This is what got the USA into trouble...its need to “not offend.” This guy is a socialist and we have to identify them when we know who they are and we have to call them out on it. Socialists/communists/marxists/revolutionaries/sharia law lovers need to be identified and removed. There are a overwhelming number of these subversives in our government, in every walk of life. They are like vermin who multiply like cockroaches. Horrible times for those of us who uphold the Constitution, liberty and freedom.

24 posted on 07/29/2012 12:41:00 AM PDT by itssme
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To: pallis
The new owner of the radio program, Those Were The Days, on public radio station WDCB, in Glen Ellyn, IL is a full blown socialist...I looked him up on Google, and his Facebook page confirms this.

As for what we can say in polite company, the heck with so called “political correctness”. This is what got the USA into trouble...its need to “not offend.” This guy is a socialist and we have to identify them when we know who they are and we have to call them out on it. Socialists/communists/marxists/revolutionaries/sharia law lovers need to be identified and removed. There are a overwhelming number of these subversives in our government, in every walk of life. They are like vermin who multiply like cockroaches. Horrible times for those of us who uphold the Constitution, liberty and freedom.

25 posted on 07/29/2012 12:41:10 AM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

I hate the lack of conservative AM radio on Sundays in Chicago, and instead I listen to the Friday podcast programs of Mark Levin and Joe Pags and sometimes if I miss the full Saturday programs of Jake Hartford, I’ll listen to his previous show podcasts.


26 posted on 07/30/2012 12:46:21 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
I listen to the Mark Levin's shows on Saturday and Sunday that I may have missed during the week. I like Joe Pags and have to catch his shows..I'll check out his website ..I only hear him when he fills in for Glenn Beck. Other than Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin, I haven't checked out any other conservative possibilities on Chicago radio...haven't heard a Jake Hartford program in years..time to give him a listen!
27 posted on 07/30/2012 1:06:46 PM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme

Joe Pags
http://www.the950.com/podcast/joepags.xml

Jake Hartford
http://www.wlsam.com/sectional.asp?id=37158

Also you can listen to Rush, Hannity, etc. on weekends

http://www.cities929.com/


28 posted on 07/30/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Got it...thanks.


29 posted on 07/30/2012 10:29:36 PM PDT by itssme
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