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James Holmes Massacre First Lawsuit (Man Sues Over "Dark Knight" Shooting)
TMZ.com ^ | 7-24-12 | unknown

Posted on 07/25/2012 9:56:27 PM PDT by Houmatt

One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.

Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose. One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died. Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.

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Are you seriously kidding me? This is so absolutely absurd on its face you just want to grab this retard and shake him until he begins to think rationally.
1 posted on 07/25/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt

How did Holmes get through the emergency door?


2 posted on 07/25/2012 10:00:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Houmatt

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


3 posted on 07/25/2012 10:01:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: mylife

Early reports were that someone answered a cell phone, then headed to the exit. After he sat down, the shooter came in the exit.


4 posted on 07/25/2012 10:03:43 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Houmatt

Sharks testing the waters. I very much doubt the actual plaintiff came up with this on his own. This is shark #1 of what will prove to be a large group. Warner will walk, it is a solid 1st amendment case and the film no more encourages a nut to shoot than any other in the land. The theatre for not having an alarmed emergency exit, unlikely. The doctor, maybe a little more likely. Only question is, why not also sue the shooter? He is notably absent from the list.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 10:04:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Houmatt

Comments are priceless!


6 posted on 07/25/2012 10:05:09 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Ingtar

Of course this is all ridiculous, but this guy could win the lawsuit.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Houmatt

Free money. Come and get it. Paging John Edwards...


8 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Only question is, why not also sue the shooter? He is notably absent from the list.”

And the answer is $$$, no money in it. As you already know.


9 posted on 07/25/2012 10:08:45 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: mylife

If the door was not secure from the outside, they will lose. They might anyway.


10 posted on 07/25/2012 10:09:29 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The shooter has no money.


11 posted on 07/25/2012 10:09:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: liberty or death

The failure to do that, however, means a likely failure of the lawsuit as a whole. All the other defendants will blame the shooter and it is virtually certain to be an open and shut case.


12 posted on 07/25/2012 10:10:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Houmatt
Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.

And Brown will probably claim that the only "medication" that will soothe his trauma is several million dollars.

13 posted on 07/25/2012 10:11:17 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: Ingtar

It was probably secure but not alarmed.
As someone said it was probably breached from the inside.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 10:11:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ingtar

Somebody apparently let the shooter in through it.


15 posted on 07/25/2012 10:11:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: liberty or death

If one were to design a theater the emergency exits would be alarmed and turn on the theater lights. That would work in the event of fire or other problems.
Then you allow CC in the theater..and someone who uses the exit becomes a visible target.


16 posted on 07/25/2012 10:12:37 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: mylife

17 posted on 07/25/2012 10:13:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Houmatt

I think suing the theater is a great idea if it is being done because it had a no firearms policy. Management put everyone at risk by depriving them of their 2nd amendment rights.

If all he’s bitching about is being traumatized, he can stick that up his ass.


18 posted on 07/25/2012 10:13:31 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Houmatt

I don’t consider it a farce. If the theatre is preventing people from protecting themselves, then it is the obligation of the theatre to assume the responsibility of protecting its patrons.

That is not a miscellaneous issue.


19 posted on 07/25/2012 10:14:33 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Houmatt
Big surprise...more to follow.

I once owned the largest physical film distribution center in the US (think warehouse of film between the studios and theaters - there's always a middle man). Such lawsuits are going to destroy the small mom/pop operations, if they still exist. I've been out of the industry since 1997 when bought out, so I could be wrong.

Still, the multitude of lawsuits that are coming will hurt many of the large cinema chains, which many theaters are franchisees of those chains. Again, I could be wrong. Just going by past experience and shipping the film cans all around SoCal, Arizona, and Hawaii for my district. If nothing else, the theaters will now start to look at security with associated costs. Don't be surprised if your ticket price increases.

I should probably do some homework to make a more informed statement, but I think little has changed. I'll get back on this.

20 posted on 07/25/2012 10:18:54 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Revolting cat!

If it can be proven that cine-mark had policys that made people sheep, while THEY themselves weren’t sheepdogs, there could be a case.


21 posted on 07/25/2012 10:20:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Houmatt

The Catholic Church has been sucked dry, as have been manufacturers of various banned products like asbestos, let’s find us new suckers, fellow law school graduates!


22 posted on 07/25/2012 10:22:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Ingtar
a theater is not responsible to protect patrons from terrorist attacks, therefore, the security of an emergency exit door is not a point of negligence that contributed to the terrorists actions

However we are living in Bizarro World these days when it comes to courts , so anything is possible

23 posted on 07/25/2012 10:25:10 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Jonty30
If the theatre is preventing people from protecting themselves, then it is the obligation of the theatre to assume the responsibility of protecting its patrons.

I like your logic.

24 posted on 07/25/2012 10:26:48 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mylife
How did Holmes get through the emergency door?

He faked receiving an urgent phone call, exited via the emergency door (propping it open) ostensibly to take the call without disturbing the movie, then ran to his car, suited up, retrieved his arsenal and reentered.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until evidence proves the contrary.

25 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:00 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Ingtar
"If the door was not secure from the outside, they will lose. They might anyway."

As a theater distributor of film, the doors were never locked from the outside as far back as I can remember. That has always been considered a fire hazard. They open from the inside and close with a spring system and no re-entry.

Theaters long ago changed their emergency exit doors. Go to any theater today and you see the exit signs. They open with the basic bar handle and shut behind them.

This nutcase obviously put something in the way of the door shutting so he could come back in. It will be proven so. Or he had an accomplice, but I doubt it. As a kid, I remember other kids opening the emergency exits so others could sneak in.

My question is: Did those emergency exists not have some kind of alarm that are used in many other buildings? If not, they could be liable.

26 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:20 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: mylife
It was probably secure but not alarmed.

That would be the singular fact that costs this movie chain zillions of $$$. What theatre chain doesn't alarm the emergency exits? Never mind the liability risk in an event such as this...what about potential lost revenue in the form of sneak-ins?

27 posted on 07/25/2012 10:30:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: mylife

Was it an “emergency” door or just an exit door?

The Theaters around here have exits to the Lobby and to the left and right of the Screen.


28 posted on 07/25/2012 10:34:45 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: cynwoody

You are probably correct.


29 posted on 07/25/2012 10:34:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kickass Conservative

It was to the outside of the building.


30 posted on 07/25/2012 10:36:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Just an early report I’d heard, so you know how wrong they can be, but it was said the he knocked on the door and someone in the audience let him in. I hadn’t heard the part about him already being in the theater.


31 posted on 07/25/2012 10:41:41 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: A Navy Vet

In the theaters I go to in Texas, they aren’t emergency exits. They’re just exits. One is free to leave the movie through them, and that is often the shorter path to one’s car. What’s to stop someone from letting their friends in free, I don’t know.


32 posted on 07/25/2012 10:42:32 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Ingtar

The first report I read about was he opened the exit door and propped it to stay open and then came back through it with his ‘stuff’. There really should be alarms on those exit doors as they are for emergency use anyway. And anyone opening it who know blaring alarms would go off.


33 posted on 07/25/2012 10:45:22 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: mylife
Yeah, the exit doors go straight to the parking lot.

There are no outside handles, so he either taped the latch / deadbolt or someone let him in from the inside of the Theater.

He just have well could have opened the door, thrown in a few Molotov Cocktails (Inglorious Bastards comes to mind) and he would have killed dozens without firing a shot or spending Thousands of Taxpayer(?) Dollars.

If he did that, I'm sure the Lawyers would be going after Big Oil for providing the gasoline.

34 posted on 07/25/2012 10:52:40 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: A Navy Vet
If nothing else, the theaters will now start to look at security with associated costs.

I'm surprised the insurance co don't demand alarms on exit doors, how else do the theaters expect to protect their patrons? And who pays? I've never been in a theater that doesn't have the doors alarmed. I believe the fire marshall comes around to check on that, also, and the exit door are lit and working properly. And when renewing ins - they ask for a copy of the certificate from the fire marshall/dept.

35 posted on 07/25/2012 10:53:10 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: KTM rider
therefore, the security of an emergency exit door is not a point of negligence that contributed to the terrorists actions

It MOST certainly did! He couldn't come through the front door with that dress and gear!

36 posted on 07/25/2012 10:58:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Rastus

Any theater I’ve been to is all enter through the front and leave through the front and do have exit doors in case of fire or some such emergency. Only open from inside but are alarmed, also!


37 posted on 07/25/2012 11:03:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Really? Who would stop him? The 16y/o cashier?


38 posted on 07/25/2012 11:04:39 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Rastus
In the theaters I go to in Texas, they aren’t emergency exits. They’re just exits. One is free to leave the movie through them, and that is often the shorter path to one’s car.

That's how it should work. (Why does TX get all the simple stuff right?)

The court should find for the defendants and require the plaintiff (or his miserable lawyer) to reimburse the defendants for all of the costs his groundless suit imposed upon them. In the case of Warner Brothers, worthless though they may be, that might be a significant sum! (Hate to help California, but that's the break.)

39 posted on 07/25/2012 11:08:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: MPJackal

The 16 yo cashier opens the place and makes sure everything is in running order? I think not. There is a manager in the theater.


40 posted on 07/25/2012 11:11:11 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Houmatt

As I recall, the exhibitor (the cinema) had the forethought to have extra police on hand for this midnight showing. They said they expected big crowds, so they planned for it.

Those were the cops who managed to collar the guy so quickly, likely saving many more lives.

It’ll be tough to convince a jury that they somehow fell down on their duty to protect their patrons.


41 posted on 07/25/2012 11:24:56 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Houmatt

May I may humbly suggest that the murderer was the person at fault for the murders?


42 posted on 07/25/2012 11:33:16 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Rastus
In the theaters I go to in Texas, they aren’t emergency exits. They’re just exits. One is free to leave the movie through them, and that is often the shorter path to one’s car.

Every theater I have been in is the same way. You are free to use any of the side exits to leave the actual theater (no alarms just EXIT signs on or above the doors). You are not required to leave the theater by going back through the lobby. But you must enter through the front of the theater and into the lobby.
43 posted on 07/25/2012 11:43:38 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: AndyTheBear

Of course he is. However he is broke and not likely to make any money...

So.. The sharks.. er Lawyers have to go where the money is..


44 posted on 07/25/2012 11:50:10 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: cynwoody; Jonty30
If the theatre is preventing people from protecting themselves, then it is the obligation of the theatre to assume the responsibility of protecting its patrons.

I like your logic.


Me too. Asking your statement as a question If the theater is preventing people from protecting themselves, then IS IT the obligation of the theater to assume the responsibility of protecting its patrons? If the answer to that question is found in the court of law to be Yes, that may be what takes down all the "No weapons in here" signs.

That could be the deal breaker right there.
45 posted on 07/25/2012 11:50:17 PM PDT by sjm_888
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To: Houmatt

They've got it bad Robin ... Us, not so much ;o)

46 posted on 07/25/2012 11:53:49 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: sjm_888

I believe that the courts have ruled that it is your obligation to ensure the guests well being when they are in your house, e.g. drinking.

A private business would be as responsible for the customers within their premises.


47 posted on 07/25/2012 11:55:33 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: mylife

Building and fire codes mandate the exits.

It isn’t in the best interest of the theater to allow the exits to be operable from the outside. They lose ticket sales to kids entering in the theater from the rear. Many theaters used to patrol the exits to catch re-entrant squatters.

Theater isn’t in the wrong.


48 posted on 07/26/2012 12:02:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: A Navy Vet

I think you might have mentioned this in your fist post, but this type of logic really does leave just about any small business in the lurch.

If the theater is liable, then every other business would be liable if some nut-job walked in the front door and started shooting the place and employees up.

What small business can afford to put an armed guard on every entry/exit point at their business?

Arming the employees would also be a liability, because any fellow employee shot by an armed employee that went postal, would then suit the business owner for that as well.

At some point, we have to allow for the fact that litigation is not the cure for everything that takes place.

At times life sucks, and you can’t be made whole in the aftermath.


49 posted on 07/26/2012 12:39:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

But small business owners don’t routinely disarm their customers, leaving them defenseless.

Cinemark did exactly that.


50 posted on 07/26/2012 1:32:34 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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