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Working at Kroger: The Need for EBT Reform
JHPolitics.com ^ | 7-26-12 | Justin Higgins

Posted on 07/26/2012 4:42:06 AM PDT by RealTeen

Working at a large chain grocery store, you get used to dealing with EBT, WIC and other forms of welfare. Sometimes it is painfully obvious the person does need some sort of help. Other times, too often I believe, someone abusing their government benefits just makes you cringe and doubt the entire system. I find myself echoing an article from a former Wal-Mart employee at College Conservative, who says it’s time for serious welfare reform. Here are some of my ideas for reform and why I believe it:

Make EBT Recipients Ineligible for Large Lottery Payouts

There were several customers at Kroger who loved to play the lottery, to the tune of $10-$20 every single day, minimum. I’m not talking instant scratch-off tickets where they might recoup $10 of their invested cash, I’m talking the big games. Pick 3, Pick 4, MegaMillions and Powerball were their games of choice. Meanwhile, as they were dumping upwards of $300 into a loser’s game a month, they were buying their food with EBT. It would be too much of a problem to force retailers to look up EBT status (if even possible) for small wins, but the large lottery payouts that require winners to go to the state offices should be off limits for EBT recipients. Maybe that would disincentivize their gambling on welfare.

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To: PapaBear3625
There's a built in control on all of this. In fact it's a very old rule set up in the Roosevelt regime ~ any change of address causes your welfare payment to stop going to that address.

You must go in for consultation with a case worker to get reinstated.

Since there's a Koinkydink between welfare and foodstamp programs, it pretty much means you got cut off.

Just before Congress passed Welfare Reform the USPS began setting up to implement Fast Forward. What that did was evaluate large mailing lists to make sure USPS wasn't being given whole lots of mail that had to be returned because the outgoing addresses were bad.

When they ran the state welfare list against the system at Richmond VA (I was there, on site, watching this happen) 50% of the addresses were found to involve a forwarding order. That automatically cut off their welfare!

As you recall the welfare cut nationwide was about 50%.

I think it took all of 45 minutes for the welfare folks in Richmond to pass the word to everybody else in the country.

Congress took credit for the cut. I saw it happen before Congress acted.

The Leftwingtards used to argue that fraud in welfare was miniscule ~ that these were truly poor people in poor neighborhoods. Turned out, though, that half the welfare money was going to fraud!

41 posted on 07/26/2012 6:40:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SMARTY
Where I live, I was told the you can qualify for WIC with a $40,000 annual income.

I remember clearly having a low-level management job in a store and seeing someone from the Welfare Department come in one day and put up a poster listing the guidelines to qualify for Food Stamps. I was working 60+ hours per week, and according to the poster if I had one more child I would have qualified. And my wife was pregnant at the time.

Was actually a very good thing for me as it kicked me in the butt and motivated me to go and find a higher paying job.

42 posted on 07/26/2012 6:42:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dfwgator
Only to some folks ~ I worked in a chicken packing plant one summer. We took dead chickens, carved them up, cooked them, froze them, breaded them, then packaged them to be sent to market.

I couldn't stand to eat chicken of any kind for several years, and then only well cooked chicken ~ really well cooked chicken.

Let me tell you, ain't no thang like 'em air chicken plants ~ ours was full of hillbillies, those folks then serving as the low cost alternative to trained help.

They've been replaced by Mexicans, of coure, who work for even less, but I can tell you MOST of them ~ whatever their origin ~ will find it difficult to just sit down and eat chicken unless they are really gut gnawing growling hungry!

Only chicken dog I'll eat is one I have seen prepared from the meat up!

43 posted on 07/26/2012 6:46:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: netmilsmom
We walked into a Friday/Saturday sale at the local Safeway couple of weeks ago and they had 'em walking around in the tank for $1.85 a pound (this store only). They had a lot of lobsters.

There is currently a glut on the market so prices crashed.

The lobster price thing has made national news so many times I find it hard to believe folks missed it ~ now, in Michigan, your best bet (soon) is crawdads. Should be a lot of them.

44 posted on 07/26/2012 6:49:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It doesn’t matter how much it is selling for. To most people, it is considered a gourmet food and EBT recipients are not worthy. Those people will not be happy until the “down on their luck” recipients are eating gruel, moldy bread and unflavored water.


45 posted on 07/26/2012 6:55:08 AM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: muawiyah
Frankly speaking, I prefer all pork wieners

Nice pun. I got that. ;'}

Frankly, I prefer a lot of things. When money is tight, I don't get what I prefer. I get what I can afford. Apparently, that's good enough for folks who earn their money but folks who take money by government force or threat thereof deserve better than the folks from whom they are taking.

Now ... WHERE ... exactly and specifically, did you "have" lobster for less than US$3.99/lb?

46 posted on 07/26/2012 6:57:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Axelsrd

“Anyone receiving govt. assistance should not be allowed to vote.”

As long as Social Security and Medicare are included, as they are now welfare programs because they are taking from today’s (and tomorrow’s) workers.


47 posted on 07/26/2012 6:58:56 AM PDT by BobL
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To: muawiyah
Finally ... some facts from you.

Guess we can all drive up to Massachusetts and pick up our cheap lobster ... It'll be a real bargain.

BTW, bad tasting hot dogs do not qualify for comparison.

Sure they do. When money is tight (or when you're taking money from other folks by force or threat thereof) you get what you can afford, not what you want.

48 posted on 07/26/2012 7:01:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: muawiyah
There's a built in control on all of this. In fact it's a very old rule set up in the Roosevelt regime ~ any change of address causes your welfare payment to stop going to that address. You must go in for consultation with a case worker to get reinstated.

What if there's no change of address notification sent to the post office, since the welfare cheats know about this rule too? What if Tashika applies for benefits in NY, using her mom's address? Then she goes to her sister Dashika in New Jersey and applies through her sister's address? And then goes to her cousin LaToya in Philadelphia and applies from THAT address as well?

As far as any government office is concerned, she's still living at each address. Once a month, she hops on a bus and makes the rounds, visiting each place, cashing in her benefits, and moving on.

This is why I'd like fingerprints and other biometic identification for each welfare recipient, cross referenced nationwide, and tied with INS.

49 posted on 07/26/2012 7:07:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: RealTeen

Does anyone know if you can buy pet food with EBT? Just curious. I read an article recently that listed the dollar amount you can receive per person in the household. It was some sort of welfare challenge for a wealthy person. Anyway, I tallied up how much money I would receive and it was about $300 more than my monthly grocery budget. That kind of made me mad. We don’t eat out. I cook everything from scratch. No convenience foods for us!

I would love to see some kind of reform. I would love to see classes required or cookbooks printed or menu planners for how to efficiently use the food you are given so there is less waste. I wouldn’t mind separate stores entirely with approved foods-healthy foods-all ready to be picked up. It could still be set up like a grocery store so you are allowed to purchase only what you need and don’t wind up with twenty pounds of pasta and cheese. I suppose it would be easier to just slap ‘EBT APPROVED’ stickers on food. Yes. Change is needed. Help should be available but it should be uncomfortable enough to keep you motivated to better yourself.


50 posted on 07/26/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: PapaBear3625
You have to get out ahead of the methodology of the scam and take a look at what happens to these people.

Their tricks work for a short while then they get greedy. They always get greedy. That's when they look at the dump their living in, and get tired of locking and unlocking 10 locks a day, and stomping cockroaches in the evening, and they MOVE. After all, they can now afford a higher rent.

This happens reasonably close to their use of the trick so there's not a great deal of loss to the public treasury. However, it can result in jail time to them and having their chillun' adopted out to strangers in a distant place, so it's not without some additional risk.

Whatever scheme you can imagine the professional welfare crowd coming up with, none of it is new stuff ~ they just think they've discovered a new way of stealing. The federales have new ways of catching to meet those thoughts headon.

The way I see it the biggest enemy of the taxpayer is actually the guys at the top in HHS who come up with new ways to "expand programs" ~ some of the more recent rule makings seemed aimed at enabling the criminal class to improve its take.

Still, buried down in the bowels of HHS there are folks who want nothing more than to catch the thieves red handed, and they are busy at work dealing with the new rules so the take doesn't increase.

Frankly, I always loved the odor of caught thieves in the morning!

51 posted on 07/26/2012 7:24:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625
You have to get out ahead of the methodology of the scam and take a look at what happens to these people.

Their tricks work for a short while then they get greedy. They always get greedy. That's when they look at the dump their living in, and get tired of locking and unlocking 10 locks a day, and stomping cockroaches in the evening, and they MOVE. After all, they can now afford a higher rent.

This happens reasonably close to their use of the trick so there's not a great deal of loss to the public treasury. However, it can result in jail time to them and having their chillun' adopted out to strangers in a distant place, so it's not without some additional risk.

Whatever scheme you can imagine the professional welfare crowd coming up with, none of it is new stuff ~ they just think they've discovered a new way of stealing. The federales have new ways of catching to meet those thoughts headon.

The way I see it the biggest enemy of the taxpayer is actually the guys at the top in HHS who come up with new ways to "expand programs" ~ some of the more recent rule makings seemed aimed at enabling the criminal class to improve its take.

Still, buried down in the bowels of HHS there are folks who want nothing more than to catch the thieves red handed, and they are busy at work dealing with the new rules so the take doesn't increase.

Frankly, I always loved the odor of caught thieves in the morning!

52 posted on 07/26/2012 7:25:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625

“fingerprint recipients “

The same result would be achieved by requiring signatures for food stamp purchases- like for credit card purchases.

Also, a common abuse is to give one’s EBT card to someone else to use in exchange for cash, cigs, drugs, etc. This would put a stop to that.

Computer signature reading programs would quickly alert suspicious signatures in time for examination of cashier videos making enforcement efeective and cheap.


53 posted on 07/26/2012 7:25:31 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: muawiyah

LMAO me too was you a necker,a winger or a buttholer!


54 posted on 07/26/2012 7:27:31 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Bad hot dogs are still bad hot dogs. If it gets down to eating the 99cent stuff your neighbors dog begins to look tender and juicy~


55 posted on 07/26/2012 7:27:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ArrogantBustard
DC suburbs. What happens is we have a lot of private vendors who fly or take a bus up to New England on Friday evening, buy a junk truck, buy a load of ice and lobsters, and drive back Sunday. They sell that evening to wholesalers. They put the junk truck up for sale BTW. All of this happens within the timeframe where you can drive around an unregistered vehicle ~ but don't go through New York City or over a toll bridge.

So, whatever the Maine price is we get it ~ and sometimes the Maine price is even lower than $3.99 depending on how many guys do the lobster trips.

56 posted on 07/26/2012 7:31:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lees Swrd
I only cut up chicken for a short while. They found out I could do the oven work, and definitely do the freezer work. Those big INSTANT FREEZE operations are rather risky so you can't put just anyone in there. Then I did breading and weighing. You had to guess pieces to fit a 10 pound box, and I could get within an ounce. That spelled profit to the boss.

BTW, in that kind of operation the whole chicken went into the mix ~ except for livers ~ they went home with the hep'

57 posted on 07/26/2012 7:34:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Clever ... hats off to those guys.

So, whatever the Maine price is we get it

No ... you're also paying for their gas/diesel, and their time. These guys are turning a profit.

58 posted on 07/26/2012 7:38:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: samiam1972

No pet food, people-food only. EBT recipients buy ‘people food’ for their pets like canned tuna for cats.

The EBT benefit is easily twice what a good, frugal person needs- yet is never enough for a stupid foolish person.
And that’s why it fails it’s recipients. It is the stupid foolish people who need assistance.

That’s why it’s great for the food industry though. Stupid foolish people are high-profit customers!


59 posted on 07/26/2012 7:39:40 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
For a variety of reasons you can buy a used truck in Maine and sell it at a profit down here around Chesapeake Bay.

These trucks are already set up to tote fish and fish byproducts ~ which may be the trick.

We used to have one of these guys who'd come back Sunday before sundown and set up shop on a vacant lot ~ he'd sell out in a couple of hours.

Their time is their own ~ it's a business on top of a salaried job.

60 posted on 07/26/2012 7:56:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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