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Safe From Fire, but Not Guns (NYT barf alert)
New York Times ^ | 26 july 2012 | Nicholas D. Kristo

Posted on 07/26/2012 7:02:36 AM PDT by rellimpank

Cinemas like the one in Colorado where the shooting took place last week are closely regulated in virtually every respect but one.

Federal law requires large theaters to have wheelchair seating, ramps as well as stairs, and bathrooms that are accessible to the disabled. Fire codes limit audience size. Emergency fire exits must be illuminated.

We have a ratings system to protect children from nudity or offensive language. Indeed, on that horrific night in the theater last week, only one major element wasn’t regulated: the guns and ammunition used to massacre viewers.

As a nation, we regulate fire exits, but not 100-round magazines. We shield youngsters in cinemas from violence — but only if it’s on the screen.

Almost a week after the cinema shooting, we can also be sure what won’t happen: serious gun control.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba

1 posted on 07/26/2012 7:02:48 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

The NYT has gone from Mercedes class to Yugo class.

Does anyone actually read - and believe - these loons anymore?


2 posted on 07/26/2012 7:04:23 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rellimpank

I’m fat because of spoons.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 7:08:06 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: rellimpank

The theater has sprinklers and fire extinguishers.

They couldn’t provide one lousy armed guard. So why not let patrons take care of themselves.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 7:12:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: rellimpank

This is completely crap! There was gun control in place! The city of Aurora has gun control in place as well as the theater itself. No guns were allowed. Where do they find these rocks to put behind a computer and write this BS?


5 posted on 07/26/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: rellimpank

Are all NY city residents this provincial and ignorant, to think that the orange-haired, demon-possessed murderer would have obeyed laws not to bring guns in the theatre?


6 posted on 07/26/2012 7:13:34 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: rellimpank

I thought all the fire exit doors had an alarm if opened.
Where is the discussion about that. Was there one, Did it work, or did he disable it?


7 posted on 07/26/2012 7:19:27 AM PDT by dmet
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To: rellimpank

Leftists are consumed with people’s safety when it comes to guns, but couldn’t care less about their financial safety (Taxes, Socialism), safety from homosexual predators (Boy Scouts), safety in the womb (Abortion) and National Security (gut the Military).


8 posted on 07/26/2012 7:20:11 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Don't vote for anyone who takes contributions from Goldman Sachs)
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To: rellimpank

If only there had been a “No Guns” sign on the fire door Holmes brought his guns in through.

No sign, and 12 people paid with their lives.

Sigh.


9 posted on 07/26/2012 7:22:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: rellimpank
We have a ratings system to protect children from nudity or offensive language. Indeed, on that horrific night in the theater last week, only one major element wasn’t regulated: the guns and ammunition used to massacre viewers.

AHHHHHHH, but they WERE regulated; the perp was shooting in a GUN FREE ZONE!

10 posted on 07/26/2012 7:23:14 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: rellimpank

Maybe we should regulate the news industry to protect people from overzealous newscasts that incorrectly and repeatedly link a minority group to violence?

Or maybe we should regulate the news industry to protect the people from doctored audio of 911 calls that make an innocent hispanic look like a racist?


11 posted on 07/26/2012 7:24:08 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: rellimpank
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/robert-farago/cinemark-theaters-no-legal-firearms-allowed/ "We followed the manager up to the ticket counter and he showed us this small cardboard sign that said “NO FIREARMS ALLOWED” at the very bottom. We told the manager that we wished to receive a full refund and we would not be returning to the theater in the future. He said nothing, and we were given our refunds with no further problems . . . " "Stay away from the small cardboard signs!"
12 posted on 07/26/2012 7:25:11 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: NRA1995

We need sayfer boolets.


13 posted on 07/26/2012 7:27:35 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The very people who would take away guns often own fire extinguishers. It’s fun to ask such folks “What are you afraid of? Why are you living in fear?”


14 posted on 07/26/2012 7:31:28 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: rellimpank

NY Times Headline:
Govt to ban all matches, lighters, magnifying glasses and lightning.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 7:35:52 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: Portcall24
The city of Aurora has gun control in place...

Not true - the oft-cited city ordinances have no meaning since the state has fully occupied the firearms regulation laws to the exclusion of any previously-enacted city ordinance. This applies everywhere in CO except for Denver which has special rules as a "Home Rule" city. An example of a difference in Denver would be that open carry is allowed everywhere in CO except for Denver.

16 posted on 07/26/2012 7:36:07 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: rellimpank

Maybe instead of saying how much you do regulate, you should pause and ask why so many things are regulated.

UNsaid is the fact that if someone, anyone! had been carrying, the evening might have been very different for the “joker”.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 7:39:16 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: rellimpank

The column is an interesting read, for what it reveals of the gun control mindset. His proposals for changes in the law all have one thing in common: none of them would have stopped Holmes. It’s a blatant example of a liberal following the Rahm Rule: never let a crisis go to waste. Exploit the victims and their grieving families before the funeral services have even been held, in order to advance the anti-gun jihad.

And they have the nerve to call themselves “reasonable”.


18 posted on 07/26/2012 7:41:31 AM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: rellimpank
It is clear the Emergency Exit were not Alarmed.

19 posted on 07/26/2012 7:49:14 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: rellimpank
only one major element wasn’t regulated: the guns and ammunition used to massacre viewers.

Horse muffins! Idiots like Nicholas here need to apologize to the victims who were shot because of gun regulations like fish in a barrel.

20 posted on 07/26/2012 7:52:08 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: rellimpank

“We have a ratings system to protect children from nudity or offensive language. Indeed, on that horrific night in the theater last week, only one major element wasn’t regulated: the guns and ammunition used to massacre viewers.”

Of course they were. It was totally illegal to bring ammo into that theater. Strangely enough, this criminal broke the gun control laws in his massacre.

However, the victims didn’t. So they are in the clear, and the nannies are unable to prosecute them. Thank goodness.


21 posted on 07/26/2012 7:57:44 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: I still care

I’m surprised there are no metal detectors in gun free zones.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 8:47:37 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks for the correction. I’d seen the former information but nothing about CO.


23 posted on 07/26/2012 9:45:59 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: rellimpank

This never would have happened if they would have just only banned emergency exits.


24 posted on 07/26/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: rellimpank
Here is the letter I just sent to the NY Times in reply to the safe from fire but not guns OP ED:

I'm a “seasoned citizen” and remember flying on airliners in the 1950's and 60's. There were no metal detectors, no body searches, no checks of any kind before entering an airplane. Then came the hijackings, starting with DB Cooper and continuing through the Palestinian hijacking era, sprinkled in with a variety of politically motivated plane takeovers. The result of this surge in hijackings/takeovers was that airline companies and governments required passengers to remain in their seats, be passive and wait out the hijacking. This was based on the assumption from so called experts, that hijackings could be resolved with minimal loss of life if everyone just waited passively while “authorities” negotiated with the hijackers. Sometimes this worked and sometimes it didn't. It depended on the motives and intent of the hijackers.

Along comes September 11, 2001. Hijackers carry box cutters and use them to murder flight crews while passengers remain passively in their seats, hoping for the best. Except for the passengers of Flight 93, who took the initiative to fight back and thereby saved the lives of innumerable people on the ground. At the cost of their own lives, passengers fought back against the jihadi hijackers and took destiny into their own hands. They forced the hijacker in control of plane to crash short of his intended target.

We now know that sometimes, oftentimes, passivity will lead to death, yet “authorities” be they be airline executives, police or theater chain operators still advocate passivity as the best course of action. The public has been conditioned to stay still like good little lambs and let the authorities handle the situation. Unfortunately, the “authorities” are all too often far removed from the scene when a Columbine shooting or a theater massacre in Aurora takes place. Mayor Bloomberg and others of his high status are protected by a phalanx of armed bodyguards yet they would deny us the same right of self defense.

Time and time again, the little lambs sit hoping and praying that the experts will arrive in time to save them from the evildoers of this sad world.

Imagine if one or more of the moviegoers at the theater in Aurora had opened fire or fought back by throwing cups of soda pop at his face, thereby interfering with his train of thought or obscuring his vision. Imagine if just one or two moviegoers had shot him in the face with even a .22 caliber bullet. How many lives might have been saved?

To those who say there could have been a deadly cross-fire, I ask, could it have been any worse than allowing the shooter from freely and without fear of return fire to walk up the aisle taking shots.

We know that many in our midst are afraid of guns, many hate guns, many don't want anyone to have guns. But I know that those people are wrong. They're wrong because they would deny each of us the choice of employing a firearm to defend us or others. The assumption that if we all stay in our seats like good little lambs has been proven again to be false. I haven't counted the number of laws the Aurora shooter broke, but i'll bet it's in the hundreds. Din even one of those laws help protect his victims?

The folks who left their pistols in the car when they walked into that theater were law abiding citizens who respect the “rules of the game” as pronounced by “authorities”. Those who routinely carry guns with evil intent don't give a fig for the “rules of the game”. They use the rules to their advantage, knowing that they, the wolves will be prowling among the unarmed, passive little lambs awaiting slaughter.

25 posted on 07/26/2012 11:30:25 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: dmet

Not all emergency exit doors have alarms. So yes. He was alone.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 11:45:19 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: oneolcop

Your post is succinct and dead center on point.
Thanks


27 posted on 07/26/2012 12:24:03 PM PDT by JD91
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To: rellimpank

The theater was marked as a no gun zone. Lawful people respected this sign. The shooter did not.


28 posted on 07/26/2012 3:19:22 PM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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