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Gun owners give input about concealed carry at Pewaukee public hearing(WI)
todaystmj4.com ^ | 25 July, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 07/26/2012 7:50:10 AM PDT by marktwain

PEWAUKEE- Thousands of people across our state have permission to conceal handguns, but many gun owners sounded off at a public hearing Wednesday concerning restrictions for permit holders.

Less than a year after Wisconsin set its sights on concealed carry, authorities are now asking the public to weigh in on permanent rules and regulations.

In just nine months, more than 118,000 people signed up for concealed carry permits -- using temporary rules that are soon to be made permanent.

Authorities used a public hearing to discuss changes to the existing guidelines including: limiting class sizes and defining training, which right now counts hunter safety courses.

"There's a couple of tweaks.. the big ones are providing just a little bit of definition to what a firearms safety course is," said Brian O'Keefe of Wisconsin's Department of Justice.

"Taking a deer with a shotgun at 6 a.m. in Shawano is not quite the same as leaving your house with a G19 strapped to your back waist," said attorney Thomas Grieve.

Many gun owners are conflicted. They don't want the government to overregulate, but at the same time they acknowledge the importance of thorough training.

Ron Stacy has 92 hours under his belt -- far more than the recommended four hours and he's still learning.

"I think all the training you can get would be what you need," said Stacy, who believes you should train for more than minimum of four hours.

Many gun shops are ignoring recommendations and requiring eight hours of training plus time on the range.

"We have refused several people who didn't know how to shoot. We will not give you a certificate if you're not safe with a pistol," said Megan Eaton of Fletcher Arms.

Organizers will pool together those comments and deliver a report to the attorney general. That information will go to lawmakers next month.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; doj; wi
Rinos and liberals are trying to roll back the gains in Wisconsin by administratively requiring more than the law does to obtain a CCW.

Wisconsin came close to Constitutional carry last year, and that is the direction they are more likely to move toward.

One correction: Wisconsin reached 118,000 permits in 8 months at most. The system will have been in place 9 months at the first of August.

1 posted on 07/26/2012 7:50:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
---Ron Stacy has 92 hours under his belt -- far more than the recommended four hours and he's still learning. "I think all the training you can get would be what you need," said Stacy, who believes you should train for more than minimum of four hours.--

--heavy thinker of the morning award----(sarc)

2 posted on 07/26/2012 7:55:44 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: marktwain

How much training does it take to stick a gun in a robber’s belly and pull the trigger? You can substitute rapist or ax-murderer for robber, if you prefer.

How long should you need to wait before being allowed to defend yourself?

Being truly proficient with a handgun can be a lifelong pursuit. Does that mean no one still breathing should be allowed to defend themselves?


3 posted on 07/26/2012 7:57:51 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: marktwain

Guess the printer messed up on my copy of the Bill of Rights because the Second Amendment I have makes no reference to a training requirement...hope I can get a refund...:-)

The admin morons trying to write regs that have no basis in the law are asking to get their hats handed to them by a judge.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 8:06:43 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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“The admin morons trying to write regs that have no basis in the law are asking to get their hats handed to them by a judge.”

So when is someone going to start getting these sanctions applied here in the People’s Republic of California. We need to make California a “shall issue” state. The idea that the LEO’s can deny a CCW here has to change.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 9:19:39 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: marktwain

Do you have a reason to be so optimistic about Constitutional Carry?


6 posted on 07/26/2012 9:36:14 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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This does point out a problem, but more a cultural problem.

Wisconsin has been without gun liberty for so long that the “familial gun culture” has been lost. This is the passing of gun knowledge from generation to generation, and is important for the proper use and maintenance of firearms.

However, this is mostly just an assumption on the part of the public.

Importantly, Arizona ignored this, figuring the public is responsible enough to figure it out themselves, and they are right. However, this being said, eventually it benefits us all if some voluntary means exists to get a high level of gun training.

This is so that, even though most everyone can be a gun user, we need more gun experts, not just gun professionals, but people who understand things such as “the legal environment”, gun tactics, guns as a part of martial arts, when to use guns and when not to use them, etc. Even “gun fitters”, to help people figure out which guns are best for them as individuals.

But requiring it? Not so much.

The idea is to culturally reintegrate guns into American life. Why not have marksmanship clubs in schools? Why not have gun ranges in municipal areas, even if they are mostly underground (literally) in industrial parks? Why not raise girls to have guns as part of their ordinary wardrobe?


7 posted on 07/26/2012 9:45:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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> Why not have marksmanship clubs in schools?
Wow, what an idea.
When I started high school in 1959, they had gun safety and marksmanship taught by the NRA in school. They did not supply rifles, so everyone had to bring their own 22LR to school once a week. Our range was in the school basement. I can only remember one incident during the 3 three years that I was there. A student brought in a shotgun shell and taped it to the back of one of the hanging paper targets before class. He was the only one injured when the shell was hit and exploded. He lost an eye and the range was locked after that and only open when the NRA certified instructor was there.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 1:21:26 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: Principle Over Politics; marktwain

I didn’t think so.


9 posted on 07/29/2012 8:52:31 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: Principle Over Politics

Yes, I do. Three states have moved from permits only to constitutional carry and permits. None have moved from shall issue permits to may issue permits. The Wisconsin constitution is strongly written.


10 posted on 07/29/2012 9:04:25 AM PDT by marktwain
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