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End the Ethanol Madness
American Thinker ^ | July 24, 2012 | Jeffrey Folks

Posted on 07/26/2012 10:09:03 AM PDT by EveningStar

Economists are warning that the current drought in the Corn Belt is going to result in higher food prices...

But there is one thing the president can do to alleviate the effects of the drought: suspend the nation's ill-conceived ethanol program.

That program now burns up 40% of the U.S. corn crop...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cornbelt; drought; ethanol; ethanolprogram; foodcrisis; midwest

1 posted on 07/26/2012 10:09:10 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Agreed! Bring back pure gas in all markets!


2 posted on 07/26/2012 10:12:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

My vehicle will burn the ethanol or regular gas. I tried the ethanol ONCE. I will never use it again. The MPG goes way down with it.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 10:14:26 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: EveningStar

The sad thing about this is we are headed from 10% ethanol in gasoline to 15%. At the rate we are going we’ll have to import corn in order to eat it. And the government will continue to pay farmers not to plant and grow it!


4 posted on 07/26/2012 10:14:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: EveningStar

#1 I want pure gas not this mandated crap.
2. This is ethanol from corn and nothing but corn.
3. You should make ethanol from any source if ethanol is the goal, but that’s not the goal.
4. Ethanol is very corrosive.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 10:16:32 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: EveningStar

I tell you, history will laugh at us for burning our own food.


6 posted on 07/26/2012 10:28:11 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (we are so screwed - ^_^)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

15% ethanol will wreck 2 stroke engines. That forces you to buy new or go electric.


7 posted on 07/26/2012 10:29:13 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: prof.h.mandingo

I use regular gas in all my yard equipment. I also add Sta-Bil. I noticed on the Sta-Bil label (no rhyme intended) that it says it will negate the corrosive effects of ethanol. I don’t use it with ethanol 90/10 but if anyone knows for certain I’d like to know.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 10:46:20 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: EveningStar

It is wishful thinking to think that obama would actually do something that would help. ABO 2012


9 posted on 07/26/2012 10:51:56 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: EveningStar; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

It didn’t take a rocket scientist to predict this corn ethanol path would be a disaster. However it did take some reasoning ability and a willingness to not accept sound easy magical solutions without question.


10 posted on 07/26/2012 10:52:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obam-ney Care ))
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To: EveningStar
Just one station left in my area that sells pure gasoline.
Wonder how many millions of small engines and outboards have been destroyed by congress and the corn lobby?
People should be outraged, but again they're too lazy to inform themselves and even lazier to take action.
11 posted on 07/26/2012 11:06:12 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: EveningStar
No Food For Fuel Bump!

DRILL BABY DRILL !!

12 posted on 07/26/2012 11:08:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: jesseam

Congress has to do it, anyway. They can act independently. They don’t have to wait for Obama to take the lead.


13 posted on 07/26/2012 11:09:54 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

In a company’s capital structure, the bondholders get first claim on cash flows (or the company is bankrupt), and the stockholders get what’s left (the residual) —whether it is a large amount, a small amount, or nothing.

Stretching the analogy to the corn crop, the government has put ethanol production in a priority position, leaving the food market with the residual corn production. The ethanol demand for corn is legally mandated, and hence fairly inelastic. Because of this demand, the percentage supply fluctuations in food corn, and hence the price variations, are magnified.

Now, couple this effect with the fact that corn-based ethanol isn’t a very good source of energy. Opinions vary, but the consensus seems to be that after all of the energy required to farm the corn and distill the alcohol is subtracted from the ethanol’s energy output, it’s a close to break-even proposition. So, we pay an exorbitant amount for food, wreck all older small engines, and don’t help our energy balance (or global warming) one bit with this silly policy.


14 posted on 07/26/2012 11:18:15 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: EveningStar

It might be cheaper to just send corn farmers a government check than support this ethanol boondoggle. The ethanol program sadly won’t go away..too many RINOs from farm states support it. However if corn prices go up won’t the price of ethanol as well? If E-10 or other ethanol blends no longer have any price advantage over regular gas the market may well end the program.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 11:22:44 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: prof.h.mandingo
"15% ethanol will wreck 2 stroke engines. "

Tell that to the two lawnmowers, bush hog, two chainsaws, roto tiller, and the wood chipper I've sacrificed to 10% ethanol.
16 posted on 07/26/2012 11:31:40 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: EveningStar

I live in the heart of corn country and also the heart of ethanol production. There isn’t much ethanol being made from corn now days as corn prices are too high and plants here are being mothballed.

Distillers grain which is the by product of corn used in the ethanol process is actually good feed for cattle. Actually better than just plain corn. Do a little research on it through Google or ane of the other search engines.

I’m a car guy from way back and I only use straight gas, no ethanol but it pains me to see my money going overseas to people who hate us.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 11:32:27 AM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: Newbomb Turk

Yeah ethanol plants are closing down here in Indiana faster than K-marts in the 1990s.

Since Congress repealed the subsidy on domestic and the tariff on imported, I think a lot more is coming from Brazil.

They can make it from sugar cane much cheaper.


18 posted on 07/26/2012 11:35:34 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: rfreedom4u

>The MPG goes way down with it.<

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Of course, what do you expect — the heating or energy value (BTU/gallon) is much lower than that of gasoline.

You’re getting fewer BTUs for your $ — it is another way of screwing the public.

Always remember — someone is getting veeeeeeery rich by producing ethanol, and veeeeeery rich people can influence veeeeery spineless politicians to pass laws to produce more ethanol.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 12:01:30 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

On sort of the same subject, I love how the electric hand dryers profess to “save trees’ while not telling us how much greenhouse gas is produced by burning coal for the electricity that powers the hand dryer.


20 posted on 07/26/2012 12:06:13 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: EveningStar

Ethanol is an expensive joke....kill it!


21 posted on 07/26/2012 12:20:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: 353FMG

” Always remember — someone is getting veeeeeeery rich by producing ethanol, and veeeeeery rich people can influence veeeeery spineless(WHORISH) politicians to pass laws to produce more ethanol.

Fixed it : )


22 posted on 07/26/2012 12:24:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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23 posted on 07/26/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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And don’t forget the water projects, which were big big favorites of the late Barry Goldwater, that’s just undiluted socialism, and since 90% of the freshwater used by modern societies is used in agriculture, up yours, pay more for food, and import it from low wage countries. There’ s absolutely no reason the US should be self-sufficient in food, any more than it should be self-suffficient in fuel.


24 posted on 07/26/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Ethanol is an expensive joke....kill it!

It is an evil program. What is astounding is that there more than a few Freepers who think the ethanol program is wonderful.

It's highly destructive on so man levels. There are too many RINOs who are 100% behind ethanol.

Unfortunately, the evil ethanol program will be with us for the foreseeable future.

Ethanol is another example of evil crony capitalism

25 posted on 07/26/2012 2:35:50 PM PDT by sand88
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Actually, there's no reasoning ability involved in the same tired old canned, "magical solution" responses regurged up regarding corn ethanol.

It's the Obamacare, stupid!


One-half gallon of oil in the form of pesticides per bushel of corn would cost $2 to $3 per bushel. If this were true -- and it clearly isn't -- it should be enough to illustrate to literally anyone that the price of petroleum is quite literally the ONLY thing driving corn prices. And this idiotic piece of agitprop -- from a hydrogen "energy" advocacy site -- also shows the guy in the encounter suit spraying chemical fertilizer, a sight that I've never been privileged to see, what with me *growing up on a farm*.

Hydrogen Advocacy Group Anti-Ethanol Agitprop

26 posted on 07/26/2012 2:36:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: sand88

” Ethanol is another example of evil crony capitalism “

One of the best examples.


27 posted on 07/26/2012 2:44:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SunkenCiv
And don’t forget the water projects, which were big big favorites of the late Barry Goldwater, that’s just undiluted socialism, and since 90% of the freshwater used by modern societies is used in agriculture, up yours, pay more for food,

We're paying one way or the other - so it makes more sense to know exactly what we're paying.

and import it from low wage countries. There’s absolutely no reason the US should be self-sufficient in food, any more than it should be self-suffficient in fuel.

Should we be self-suffficient in everything? The argument for fuel self-suffficiency is to not finance those who finance terrorists and who might very well hold us hostage; can that argument be made for other major food producers?

28 posted on 07/26/2012 2:51:17 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
” Ethanol is another example of evil crony capitalism “

One of the best examples.

I thought for a minute and you are right. It is one for the history books.

29 posted on 07/26/2012 3:03:07 PM PDT by sand88
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To: davius
Ouch! Sorry to hear that. Did you see the post on the fuel stabilizer that seems to help? I know ethanol will “separate” into fuel and water if you let it sit up awhile. Of course buying stabilizer adds to the cost of the fuel.
No one up your way has real gas? I make it a point of telling my guys at the service stations I use I appreciate their choice and to keep it up. We just got another station down here that has gotten rid of ethanol.
30 posted on 07/27/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: sickoflibs

Not accept easy magical solutions without question?

Harry Potter disapproves.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 5:43:00 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Colonize Mars now!)
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To: mrreaganaut
RE :”Harry Potter disapproves

I have become fond of the Potter movies oddly enough. Normally I cant stand movies with smart kid heroes but HP developed some characters I am sympathetic to; especially Harry who always tries to do the right thing, unusual in this day and age. I also like the stark contrast between the early movies and the later ones.

Please tell the Mrs reaganaut I wish her the best. She and Elsie were a blast on the LDS threads, even more fun was the Mrs on the Palinistas cult threads where I met her.

32 posted on 07/27/2012 8:23:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: prof.h.mandingo

Yes, thanks, I did see the post about Stabil. I’ll give it a try. I live in Maine. We don’t have pure gas available here. I have approached several station owners I know personally and they all tell me pure gas is not available or permitted in Maine. The marine industry is in terror of the 15% formulation. It’s one thing to have a weed whacker die. It’s a completely different animal to lose an engine 12 miles out to sea.


33 posted on 07/27/2012 8:42:51 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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