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Obama: On Second Thought, I Will Push For More Gun Control
Townhall.com ^ | July 26, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 07/26/2012 3:57:11 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
(Art., quoting Obama)...the federal government is now in the trenches with communities and schools and law enforcement … we’re partnering with local officials to reduce crime using best practices.”

Actually, this practice violates the federal models. There is no role for the federal government in funding, leading, driving, or otherwise directing municipal government.

Municipalities are subdivisions of the State, and the State is supreme within its sphere. This practice of using federal tax grants to "buy in" to local policymaking and policy execution is actually a total violation of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Lyndon Johnson was the principal offender here. He began using the U.S. Treasury the way that liberal foundation board members had been using targeted, renewable, conditional, marginal grants of foundation money to get the attention, and then the obedience, of local politicians under the noses of their (unacceptably conservative/whatever) States.

It is actually subornation, and ultra vires the federal government.

41 posted on 07/26/2012 5:05:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Humal

I can’t find anything on it


42 posted on 07/26/2012 5:13:07 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Humal

Two people who espouse gun control right down the line:

Hillary Clinton
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

“[Global Weapons Ban] Drop Your Weapon: Hillary Clinton Jumpstarts UN Arms Ban, Treaty Back On Track “
May 20, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzPohbDAu00

Obama
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

“FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”

“Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires—a staffer did—and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”

Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008


43 posted on 07/26/2012 5:17:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Kaslin
do I really have to say it???

44 posted on 07/26/2012 5:18:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: freebird5850
A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals...

Just what kind of soldiers is he referring to? Our military doesn't use these, only his muslim brothers do!

And of course Communists, terrorists, tyrants and drug lords worldwide.

Isn't it interesting how President Obama thinks it is better for AK-47s to be in the hands of the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, the NVA, the Somalians, Hezbollah, Hamas, and assorted other groups all of whom have or are using them to try to kill Americans, than in the hands of criminals, who in large part just use their AK-47s to fight each other.

45 posted on 07/26/2012 5:20:23 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: C210N

The only gun control we need involves more range time.


46 posted on 07/26/2012 5:25:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Please, God, make him that stupid and arrogant."

He is that arrogant, but what scares me is he really isn't THAT stupid - maybe he "knows" something about this upcoming election, like maybe it doesn't happen at all.
He is pulling out all of the loony-lefty stops, and doesn't seem to care if it drives his poll numbers down.....

47 posted on 07/26/2012 5:50:34 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kaslin

What would you do if you woke up one morning and turned on the news and heard that the President signed a UN treaty outlawing the private ownership of firearms in the United States. What would you do if you had a brother,sister or father or grandfather that was an avid gun owner and the UN or local police took them away for the fact that they owned fire arms and refused to give them up? Well when you wake up tomorrow morning the 27th of July 2012 The President will have most likely signed that treaty. And we are one step closer to being a dictatorship.
Let us all not forget history. Germany first act of Adolph Hitler ban gun ownership, 6 millions jews killed, 50 million people killed in WW2. Stalin no one was armed in the Soviet Union, 20 million Ukrainians dead. Mao 100 million Chinese killed. Ect ect. (Those that forget the Past are bound to repeat it). Molon Labe (come and take it)!


48 posted on 07/26/2012 5:55:37 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: Norm Lenhart
As long as their agenda moves ahead, any number of lives, rights etc are fine to lose.

Ayers postulated that a significant portion of the U.S. population would have to be offed for his socialist utopia to take root. Can’t remember if it was 25,000,000 or 25%. Either way, a boatload or two. Consider that most of his targeted population probably have some riflecraft background and equipment on hand, the final number might be a bit higher.

49 posted on 07/26/2012 6:38:21 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: Billthedrill

No mention that the greatest supplier of these weapons is our own DOJ ala Fast & Furious.


50 posted on 07/26/2012 7:30:21 PM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: freeandfreezing

I would love to get my hands on an AK47. You cannot wreck one of those.


51 posted on 07/26/2012 7:50:43 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Noumenon; Joe Brower
I guess we'll be criminals, if we don't comply.


52 posted on 07/26/2012 9:54:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Only if Romney is smart enough to choose the right side of this. If he starts mumbling about compromise he is toast.


53 posted on 07/27/2012 3:24:10 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Kaslin

From the Tea Party, it says that the Senate does NOT have to ratify this treaty: http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/the-senate-does-not-need-to-ratify-a-un-treaty-for-us-to-be-bound?xg_source=activity

The U.N. Arms Transfer Treaty (ATT): “The United Nations is polishing up a global Arms Transfer Treaty (ATT) this month in a New York convention that would create a global registry of private ownership of firearms. This treaty — which would also mandate creation of a national collection agency for those guns and is contrary to the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment — has the long-standing and enthusiastic backing of the Obama State Department, headed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2907298/posts

Obama will sign Small Arms Treaty: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2903144/posts

I do not understand how this can be thrust on Americans without the approval of the Senate. It will essentially cancel the 2nd amendment.


54 posted on 07/27/2012 6:21:13 AM PDT by Humal
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To: funfan
Does anyone remeber I want to say it was in 2010 when the Department of Education bought a bunch of shotguns?

They weren't just buying "shotguns".

They were buying a particular model "for compatibility with existing inventory".

Link to thread from that era.

55 posted on 07/27/2012 7:03:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: G Larry
Close but no cigar....

Well, I have known for forty years since being saved that the Lord did not predict things to get better, and that this is currently the realm of the god of this world. But are we merely to sit on our fannies and wait for His parousia, or are we to show forth his death til He come, and contend for the faith, praying for our leaders, and making a difference where we can? with a possible commendation at the Judgment Seat of Christ?

What will you do?

Respectfully

56 posted on 07/28/2012 6:06:02 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Be forearmed)
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To: imardmd1

I agree, we must all pray and do our best.

My caution was against expecting God to intercede, dismiss the rascals, and restore America.

This was the expectation of the Jews, in the 1st century.


57 posted on 07/28/2012 7:53:10 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: G Larry
I agree, we must all pray and do our best.

I'm here and authorized as an ambassador to offer citizenship in a new country.

My caution was against expecting God to intercede, dismiss the rascals, and restore America.

The God was present, in person, and offered the Jews a new Kingdom with a new Kingdom through His plenipotentiary, John Baptist -- until the Jews' ruler Herod had him killed. From then on, Jesus only preached the Kingdom of The God -- the offer of His Kingdom on the earth was over, for a long time.

This was the expectation of the Jews, in the 1st century.

They had the offer, and muffed it. They also muffed The God's only other offer -- that of the Romans, just as badly. Today, July 28, 2012, is the anniversary of Tisha b'Av on the Jewish calendar, when the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were dispersed.

58 posted on 07/28/2012 9:19:46 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Be forearmed)
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To: Kaslin

Someday the streets of the USA will be a battlefield of patriots vs tyrants, so yeah we need ‘em.


59 posted on 07/28/2012 9:23:41 AM PDT by 38special (Vote for Mitt Romney, he sucks less!)
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