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13-year-old entrepreneur told no hot dog sales
Holland Sentinel ^ | Jul 17, 2012 | ANNETTE MANWELL

Posted on 07/26/2012 6:54:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Nathan Duszynski, 13, decided he wanted a hot dog cart, so he could earn some money (to help his disabled parents). But as he was setting up shop Tuesday in the parking lot of Reliable Sports at River Avenue and 11th Street — across the street from Holland City Hall — a city of Holland zoning official shut him down. Now, after spending more than $2,500 to start up his business, Duszynski is throwing in the towel, his mom said.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: capitalism; freedom; hotdogstand; zoning
Zoning Nazi's out in force. Should be no surprise in MI.

"Just taking orders"??

1 posted on 07/26/2012 6:54:21 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

He must have made some odd comment about American families, and had a face set towards marrying someone of the OPPOSITE sex.


2 posted on 07/26/2012 6:56:21 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Texas Fossil; Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
Actually surprising out of Holland. Its pretty conservative.

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3 posted on 07/26/2012 6:59:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Texas Fossil

For another $10K they probably could have hired a connected lawyers that would have fixed the problem.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 7:01:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Texas Fossil

What is the secret to making a good hot dog?

I have eaten in many hole in the wall hot dog restaurants (usually run by Greeks) and got great hot dogs. I have bought them from carts and got great hot dogs. I have had them at ball games and got great hot dogs.

I will buy the best ones around here, (Nathans are the best with Hebrew National being a fairly close second). I buy the top name buns. I have tried every way imaginable, to cook them and also all kinds of toppings, condiments, chili etc.

I can make a hot dog which is good but never as good as those I buy at the previous mentioned places.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 7:04:33 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Texas Fossil

Just as well. After all, and in spite of the $2500, he really didn’t build that hot dog business.


6 posted on 07/26/2012 7:05:46 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: yarddog
FWIW....

Sandwiches taste better when someone else makes them

...but having made sandwiches for a living for a couple years, I enjoy them more when I make them.
7 posted on 07/26/2012 7:13:32 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: yarddog

It was not about “licensing” it was about “zoning”. And on top of that a dispute between the city and county over zoning.

It is like when you buy a hotdog at the convention center, and no one in the area is allowed to sell them to protect the center’s revenue.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 7:15:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

In California there are hundreds of ice cream and hot dog, burrito etc trucks driven by illegal aliens with no kinds of license whatsoever sans insurance, inspections, etc., in the neighborhood barrios. Also many car trunk tamale sales go on outside churches on the streets after services on Sunday. Yet the local govt and cops etc just let them do it. Yet an Indonesian lady who wanted to sell catered food products out of her kitchen had to build an entire new wing with new industrial stove on her house and pass all the inspections.
This kind of crap has been going on in California since 1965 I can recall.


9 posted on 07/26/2012 7:16:16 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: madprof98

Exactly, he did not pay off the POLs. That is tho only way you “build a business” /sarcasm


10 posted on 07/26/2012 7:17:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: yarddog

The best hotdogs I’ve ever eaten were Ballpark’s All-beef bun-length hotdogs in Ballpark’s own brand buns, topped with yellow mustard, diced onion and sweet relish.

Nathan’s and Hebrew National hotdogs are too salty for my taste.


11 posted on 07/26/2012 7:18:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: bunkerhill7

Yep.

Glad I don’t live in a city. Glad I am a long way from CA.

Sorry.


12 posted on 07/26/2012 7:18:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: treetopsandroofs

That is very interesting and might explain why I always make a ham and cheese sandwich, put it in a baggie, in the refrigerator overnight.

The next day, I take it out at least an hour or two before eating it so it warms up.

I do the same thing with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.


13 posted on 07/26/2012 7:20:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
What is the secret to making a good hot dog?

There are many good ways to make a hot dog.

I will describe one style that is popular in southern New England.

1. The bun should be a "New England Style" hot dog bun. This style is also used for clam roll buns. The bun is squared off and white on the outside. Sunbeam is a popular regional brand.


The hot dog should be GRILLED. NOT steamed. NOT boiled. GRILLED. Over an open fire is best. The hot dog should be a premium brand, preferably a local brand (in CT, Hummels is a good choice) but Hebrew National will do in a pinch. Foot longs are preferred. Split the hot dog lengthwise before putting on the grill. Apply generous amounts of butter to the roll and toast on both sides. Add toppings to taste, but DON'T overdo it. Ketchup, mustard and relish are acceptable if not overdone. Celery salt and sliced tomatoes are not. Grilled onions are exquisite and will finish the dog all by itself.

I'm not saying this is the only way to have a great dog, but I know of none better.
14 posted on 07/26/2012 7:25:33 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Texas Fossil

It sounds like the kid was winging it with a “Wouldn’t it be cool?” dream. It’s hard to start a business that way.

Before investing money the kid should have invested some time putting together a business plan. His local library has plenty of books on starting a business, and each one shows how to produce a business plan. Business plans include doing research on local zoning laws.

If I were the kid’s dad, I would encourage him to keep trying. I would suggest that he talk to other hot dog vendors to get advice—something he also should have done before investing money. Hot dog vendors would have told him he has to check the zoning laws. They can also clue him in on the best type of locations, the best hours to operate, where to buy product, etc.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 7:25:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (You didn't build that. We built that ... city on rock and roll.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

If you read the article, he talked to officials before he opened the business and received the appropriate permit.

The issue is a dispute between the County and the City as to zoning enforcement.

This is just stupid. Please see my tag line.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 7:28:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: SatinDoll

There used to be one of those hole in the wall hot dog places in Tulsa downtown. I think it was just called Coney Island. I worked out of the Federal Building and would eat there ever day I was in the office.

The customers were an odd lot. There would be what appeared to be skid row bums sitting beside what could have been top executives from the oil companies in their $1000 suits.

I actually tried to figure out how they made them. One thing is they were very slow grilled. They would put out the first batch on the grill around 8 in the morning and they would not be really ready until around 10:30. I watched a delivery and they were Swift brand wieners in plain white boxes. The buns were simply Bunny Bread buns.

I will say their onions were very mild and grated extremely fine. Probably the secret ingredient was their chili which was mild but tasty. In fact I don’t think it was really chili at all.

Of course everything was fresh. The cooks were all Greeks, some of them could not speak English except for the typical hot dog phrases.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 7:30:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

You have to cook hot dogs until they bust open.

Put some chili on the bun first so it doesn’t run off.

Hot dogs are good but I prefer Pollock Johnny’s .


18 posted on 07/26/2012 7:35:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Dr. Sivana

I will try that. I may not be able to get those type buns tho.

I have been seeing advertisements from Oscar Meyer for a premium wiener which they call New York style. I think I will give them a try. I generally don’t like Oscar Meyer but maybe this will be different.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 7:38:20 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Dr. Sivana
Nuthin' compares to a true Chicago Dog with dayglo-green relish


20 posted on 07/26/2012 8:04:24 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Texas Fossil

If the kid was from Chicago he’d have someone bumped off and be selling hotdogs at the wake.


21 posted on 07/26/2012 8:04:37 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: yarddog

I buy a brand from Smart and Final called Hoffy Premium Beef Franks. They are huge and soooo tasty when cooked on the grill and won’t fit in a regular bun. You have to buy the large hot dog buns for them. We call them Gun Range Dogs because the first time we had them was at an outdoor shooting range here.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 8:14:36 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Petruchio
Nuthin' compares to a true Chicago Dog with dayglo-green relish

Having lived in Chicago, and still being within the Chicago Hot Dog zone (Rockford, IL), I must strenuously disagree.

1. Vienna Beef Hot Dogs (preferred brand) are marginal.
2. The hot dogs are typically steamed, which does not bring out the flavor as well as grilling.
3. As your picture shows, the most popular Chicago style hot dog does everything you can to make you forget that there is any meat in the darn thing.
In your sample, there are diced onions, relish, jalapeno peppers, sliced tomatoes, vertically sliced pickles, mustard, and I am sure celery salt all on top of a pathetic little 2 1/2 oz frank. I like the meat. The salad I can have on the side. Hot dogs (unless they be topped with bacon or are on an extra-toasty bun) shouldn't crunch.
4. The poppy seed buns are actually pretty good. But again, those buns (S. Rosen a favorite brand) are thicker and denser, and tend to hide the poor pathetic frank.

23 posted on 07/26/2012 8:21:25 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I was watching this kid on Fox. The really irritating thing was, the kid WENT DOWN to city hall and asked about it, and was ENCOURAGED to start this business.

After he left the commissioners were rebuked by the zoning officials, but they didn’t know how to get in touch with the kid, so they just let him go through all of the prelims and invest his money. Once he opened, they SHUT HIM DOWN IN TEN MINUTES.

They could find him fast enough once he opened!

The reason they gave for shutting him down is cart operations are too much competition for restaurants. Excuse me, if carts do so much better, that must mean folks WANT carts, instead of being shuttled to a restaurant!

The kid has gotten a rotten lesson in the evils of government bureaucracy at too young an age.


24 posted on 07/26/2012 8:54:52 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Texas Fossil

They should refund the money for his permit so he can buy another one to set up someplace else.


25 posted on 07/26/2012 9:01:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sorry, Comrade, but business for profit is not permitted by the Supreme Soviet.

Big Brother Hussein has already informed you that all business success is managed by The State.

Obey the nice commissar, and resolve to collect welfare and food stamps.


26 posted on 07/26/2012 9:03:47 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Texas Fossil; I still care
If you read the article, he talked to officials before he opened the business and received the appropriate permit.

The kid went to the city to get a food vending permit. The city referred him to the county, which issued the permit.

Zoning is a separate issue. The kid failed to determine if the location was zoned for that kind of business, which it was not.

It's really not that complicated and nobody is being mean to him. he just didn't follow the simple steps one takes when starting a business.

If he really wants to run a business he should find another location and go for it.

27 posted on 07/26/2012 9:29:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (You didn't build that. We built that ... city on rock and roll.)
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To: Texas Fossil
All he had to do was claim he was an illegal alien and all would have been forgiven. In fact, the government would have stepped up and bought him the hot dog stand using tax payers money, placed him on welfare and then he could pocket the proceeds from the business directly into his pocket as profit!

Obama happy meal, order anything you want and the white man behind you will pay for it!

28 posted on 07/26/2012 9:31:33 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: yarddog

The original Coney Island location near the federal building in Tulsa was recently demolished but they still have several other locations around town.


29 posted on 07/26/2012 9:36:25 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Texas Fossil; I still care
From the article:

The family is from Holland but is living with friends in Grand Haven for now, Johnson said. They still spend a lot of time in Holland, Duszynski said, especially at the Herrick District Library.

From the Herrick District Library:

Recommended Reading

It pays to do your homework.

30 posted on 07/26/2012 9:41:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (You didn't build that. We built that ... city on rock and roll.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just put the whole family on Obama’s welfare and they will live better than they did while working.

Re Hotdogs
Hebrew National
Nathan’s
Boars Head has a new, mildly flavored all beef dog that is good grilled.
7-11 has a new all beef hot dog that is somewhere inbetween Hebrew National/Nathan’s and Oscar Meyer/Boars Head. Very light but delicious. Thinking of moving it into Second Place.

All must be grilled. Believe me, I know hot dogs. Being Jewish, I was weaned on Hebrew National hot dogs with HN beef bologna and mustard. (Forget the Kraut: That’s for Old Country amateurs). Learned about Kosher meats on Corned Beef Row (Lombard Street) in Baltimore. Talk about old country taste and quality. Couldn’t beat the hot dog rolls either. Solid and tasty. Didn’t break apart when you put the dog in.

Don’t even ask about the old, wooden pickle barrels, Codies (fish cakes), real Corned Beef and Brisket, Spice Beef, or real Roast Beef.

Bagels and cream cheese to die for. Real Lox, Smoked Whitefish, etc.

I’m so hungry I’m going to cook a dog now. (My son’s K9 just heard me say that out loud and she ran out of the house). She’ll be back when I put out the cat food (she loves it).


31 posted on 07/26/2012 9:58:44 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Texas Fossil

Can someone provide a link to Rodney Dangerfield’s first economics class?


32 posted on 07/26/2012 10:16:34 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: yarddog
What is the secret to making a good hot dog?

Turkey.

33 posted on 07/26/2012 10:30:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: yarddog; treetopsandroofs

Not only do things taste better when someone else makes them for you, the atmosphere plays a part too. I once bought a piece of cheesecake at Red Robin. I thought it was so wonderful that a couple months later I bought a whole cheesecake for a friend’s birthday party. For some unexplained reason, not only did it not taste as wonderful, it actually wasn’t that good. It tasted like it had cheap ingredients and preservatives, not homemade from scratch. My conclusion: At the restaurant you aren’t really paying attention to the food—it’s more about the conversation with friends and relaxing and enjoying the meal because you’re not standing on your feet cooking. You pay more attention when you’re at home with fewer distractions.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 12:13:52 AM PDT by dupree
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To: yarddog
Belive it or not the best hotdog I've had was every weekend coming out of the Corona Club in Acuna,MX (this is the bar that Cheech worked at in the movie Desperado) fresh roma tomatoes, onion, salt and pepper and green chili sauce $1 each.
35 posted on 07/27/2012 1:29:05 AM PDT by Hotmetal (FReepin' from the sandbox.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Best hot dog ever is a Sabrett dirty water dog from a street vendor with the red onion sauce and spicy mustard.

One of the few things I miss about NYC.


36 posted on 07/27/2012 1:44:38 AM PDT by katnip (Freaks and Fairies are running amuck in America)
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To: katnip

I like Sabretts with red onions from Tommy’s in Carteret. Exit 12. He has good chili and Italian dogs, too.


37 posted on 07/27/2012 2:10:29 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
I'm not Jewish. but like corned beef and bagels.

Have never cured corned beef for myself, have been tempted. But, I have had great success cooking them bag wrapped in foil. Low and slow. Comes out so tender you can cut it with a fork. My whole family loves it with cabbage. My favorite is on a Rueben sandwich.

As for bagels, I have not made them in a while, but have had really good success with them. (been the family baker for 30 years) Most people do not know they are rolled, raised, shaped, dropped in boiling water, then baked. My favorite are blueberry bagels.

38 posted on 07/27/2012 5:51:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: I still care

Bump!


39 posted on 07/27/2012 5:59:47 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Jeff Chandler

It’s not that I think anyone is being “mean”, and that I think a kid should get special priveledges. Spending that kind of money brings it out of the “lemonade stand” category.

But I think when a 13 year old comes to city hall, and asks about starting a business, thoughtful people should go out of their way a little bit and say to themselves, “This is a kid. He doesn’t know diddlysquat about the way government works as far as business goes. We should be careful about what we tell him, knowing that he may need some guidance instead of just, “Hey go for it!”.


40 posted on 07/27/2012 6:29:05 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: T-Bird45

Thanks for the info. That area probably needed to be demolished as it was pretty rundown even in the early 70s.

I would sometimes visit Tulsa in the early 80s and there was another location even back then. They appeared to be made the same way but I always thought they were not as good as the one downtown.


41 posted on 07/27/2012 7:32:58 AM PDT by yarddog
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