Posted on 07/26/2012 6:54:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
Nathan Duszynski, 13, decided he wanted a hot dog cart, so he could earn some money (to help his disabled parents). But as he was setting up shop Tuesday in the parking lot of Reliable Sports at River Avenue and 11th Street — across the street from Holland City Hall — a city of Holland zoning official shut him down. Now, after spending more than $2,500 to start up his business, Duszynski is throwing in the towel, his mom said.
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"Just taking orders"??
He must have made some odd comment about American families, and had a face set towards marrying someone of the OPPOSITE sex.
For another $10K they probably could have hired a connected lawyers that would have fixed the problem.
What is the secret to making a good hot dog?
I have eaten in many hole in the wall hot dog restaurants (usually run by Greeks) and got great hot dogs. I have bought them from carts and got great hot dogs. I have had them at ball games and got great hot dogs.
I will buy the best ones around here, (Nathans are the best with Hebrew National being a fairly close second). I buy the top name buns. I have tried every way imaginable, to cook them and also all kinds of toppings, condiments, chili etc.
I can make a hot dog which is good but never as good as those I buy at the previous mentioned places.
Just as well. After all, and in spite of the $2500, he really didn’t build that hot dog business.
It was not about “licensing” it was about “zoning”. And on top of that a dispute between the city and county over zoning.
It is like when you buy a hotdog at the convention center, and no one in the area is allowed to sell them to protect the center’s revenue.
In California there are hundreds of ice cream and hot dog, burrito etc trucks driven by illegal aliens with no kinds of license whatsoever sans insurance, inspections, etc., in the neighborhood barrios. Also many car trunk tamale sales go on outside churches on the streets after services on Sunday. Yet the local govt and cops etc just let them do it. Yet an Indonesian lady who wanted to sell catered food products out of her kitchen had to build an entire new wing with new industrial stove on her house and pass all the inspections.
This kind of crap has been going on in California since 1965 I can recall.
Exactly, he did not pay off the POLs. That is tho only way you “build a business” /sarcasm
The best hotdogs I’ve ever eaten were Ballpark’s All-beef bun-length hotdogs in Ballpark’s own brand buns, topped with yellow mustard, diced onion and sweet relish.
Nathan’s and Hebrew National hotdogs are too salty for my taste.
Yep.
Glad I don’t live in a city. Glad I am a long way from CA.
Sorry.
That is very interesting and might explain why I always make a ham and cheese sandwich, put it in a baggie, in the refrigerator overnight.
The next day, I take it out at least an hour or two before eating it so it warms up.
I do the same thing with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
It sounds like the kid was winging it with a “Wouldn’t it be cool?” dream. It’s hard to start a business that way.
Before investing money the kid should have invested some time putting together a business plan. His local library has plenty of books on starting a business, and each one shows how to produce a business plan. Business plans include doing research on local zoning laws.
If I were the kid’s dad, I would encourage him to keep trying. I would suggest that he talk to other hot dog vendors to get advice—something he also should have done before investing money. Hot dog vendors would have told him he has to check the zoning laws. They can also clue him in on the best type of locations, the best hours to operate, where to buy product, etc.
If you read the article, he talked to officials before he opened the business and received the appropriate permit.
The issue is a dispute between the County and the City as to zoning enforcement.
This is just stupid. Please see my tag line.
There used to be one of those hole in the wall hot dog places in Tulsa downtown. I think it was just called Coney Island. I worked out of the Federal Building and would eat there ever day I was in the office.
The customers were an odd lot. There would be what appeared to be skid row bums sitting beside what could have been top executives from the oil companies in their $1000 suits.
I actually tried to figure out how they made them. One thing is they were very slow grilled. They would put out the first batch on the grill around 8 in the morning and they would not be really ready until around 10:30. I watched a delivery and they were Swift brand wieners in plain white boxes. The buns were simply Bunny Bread buns.
I will say their onions were very mild and grated extremely fine. Probably the secret ingredient was their chili which was mild but tasty. In fact I don’t think it was really chili at all.
Of course everything was fresh. The cooks were all Greeks, some of them could not speak English except for the typical hot dog phrases.
You have to cook hot dogs until they bust open.
Put some chili on the bun first so it doesn’t run off.
Hot dogs are good but I prefer Pollock Johnny’s .
I will try that. I may not be able to get those type buns tho.
I have been seeing advertisements from Oscar Meyer for a premium wiener which they call New York style. I think I will give them a try. I generally don’t like Oscar Meyer but maybe this will be different.
If the kid was from Chicago he’d have someone bumped off and be selling hotdogs at the wake.
I buy a brand from Smart and Final called Hoffy Premium Beef Franks. They are huge and soooo tasty when cooked on the grill and won’t fit in a regular bun. You have to buy the large hot dog buns for them. We call them Gun Range Dogs because the first time we had them was at an outdoor shooting range here.
I was watching this kid on Fox. The really irritating thing was, the kid WENT DOWN to city hall and asked about it, and was ENCOURAGED to start this business.
After he left the commissioners were rebuked by the zoning officials, but they didn’t know how to get in touch with the kid, so they just let him go through all of the prelims and invest his money. Once he opened, they SHUT HIM DOWN IN TEN MINUTES.
They could find him fast enough once he opened!
The reason they gave for shutting him down is cart operations are too much competition for restaurants. Excuse me, if carts do so much better, that must mean folks WANT carts, instead of being shuttled to a restaurant!
The kid has gotten a rotten lesson in the evils of government bureaucracy at too young an age.
They should refund the money for his permit so he can buy another one to set up someplace else.
Sorry, Comrade, but business for profit is not permitted by the Supreme Soviet.
Big Brother Hussein has already informed you that all business success is managed by The State.
Obey the nice commissar, and resolve to collect welfare and food stamps.
The kid went to the city to get a food vending permit. The city referred him to the county, which issued the permit.
Zoning is a separate issue. The kid failed to determine if the location was zoned for that kind of business, which it was not.
It's really not that complicated and nobody is being mean to him. he just didn't follow the simple steps one takes when starting a business.
If he really wants to run a business he should find another location and go for it.
Obama happy meal, order anything you want and the white man behind you will pay for it!
The original Coney Island location near the federal building in Tulsa was recently demolished but they still have several other locations around town.
The family is from Holland but is living with friends in Grand Haven for now, Johnson said. They still spend a lot of time in Holland, Duszynski said, especially at the Herrick District Library.
From the Herrick District Library:
It pays to do your homework.
Just put the whole family on Obama’s welfare and they will live better than they did while working.
Re Hotdogs
Hebrew National
Nathan’s
Boars Head has a new, mildly flavored all beef dog that is good grilled.
7-11 has a new all beef hot dog that is somewhere inbetween Hebrew National/Nathan’s and Oscar Meyer/Boars Head. Very light but delicious. Thinking of moving it into Second Place.
All must be grilled. Believe me, I know hot dogs. Being Jewish, I was weaned on Hebrew National hot dogs with HN beef bologna and mustard. (Forget the Kraut: That’s for Old Country amateurs). Learned about Kosher meats on Corned Beef Row (Lombard Street) in Baltimore. Talk about old country taste and quality. Couldn’t beat the hot dog rolls either. Solid and tasty. Didn’t break apart when you put the dog in.
Don’t even ask about the old, wooden pickle barrels, Codies (fish cakes), real Corned Beef and Brisket, Spice Beef, or real Roast Beef.
Bagels and cream cheese to die for. Real Lox, Smoked Whitefish, etc.
I’m so hungry I’m going to cook a dog now. (My son’s K9 just heard me say that out loud and she ran out of the house). She’ll be back when I put out the cat food (she loves it).
Can someone provide a link to Rodney Dangerfield’s first economics class?
Turkey.
Not only do things taste better when someone else makes them for you, the atmosphere plays a part too. I once bought a piece of cheesecake at Red Robin. I thought it was so wonderful that a couple months later I bought a whole cheesecake for a friend’s birthday party. For some unexplained reason, not only did it not taste as wonderful, it actually wasn’t that good. It tasted like it had cheap ingredients and preservatives, not homemade from scratch. My conclusion: At the restaurant you aren’t really paying attention to the food—it’s more about the conversation with friends and relaxing and enjoying the meal because you’re not standing on your feet cooking. You pay more attention when you’re at home with fewer distractions.
Best hot dog ever is a Sabrett dirty water dog from a street vendor with the red onion sauce and spicy mustard.
One of the few things I miss about NYC.
I like Sabretts with red onions from Tommy’s in Carteret. Exit 12. He has good chili and Italian dogs, too.
Have never cured corned beef for myself, have been tempted. But, I have had great success cooking them bag wrapped in foil. Low and slow. Comes out so tender you can cut it with a fork. My whole family loves it with cabbage. My favorite is on a Rueben sandwich.
As for bagels, I have not made them in a while, but have had really good success with them. (been the family baker for 30 years) Most people do not know they are rolled, raised, shaped, dropped in boiling water, then baked. My favorite are blueberry bagels.
Bump!
It’s not that I think anyone is being “mean”, and that I think a kid should get special priveledges. Spending that kind of money brings it out of the “lemonade stand” category.
But I think when a 13 year old comes to city hall, and asks about starting a business, thoughtful people should go out of their way a little bit and say to themselves, “This is a kid. He doesn’t know diddlysquat about the way government works as far as business goes. We should be careful about what we tell him, knowing that he may need some guidance instead of just, “Hey go for it!”.
Thanks for the info. That area probably needed to be demolished as it was pretty rundown even in the early 70s.
I would sometimes visit Tulsa in the early 80s and there was another location even back then. They appeared to be made the same way but I always thought they were not as good as the one downtown.
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