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Hospital Receptionist Claims She Was Fired for Smelling Like Cigarette Smoke
KSTP.com ^ | 07/26/2012 | Mark Saxenmeyer

Posted on 07/27/2012 4:10:39 AM PDT by Daffynition

A Fridley woman named Stephanie Cannon believes she's the victim of discrimination -- fired because she smelled like cigarette smoke.

Cannon, a smoker for 18 years, says she smokes almost a pack a day of Camel Menthols. But when she landed a job in June as a medical receptionist at Park Nicollet Health Services, in the Frauenshuh Cancer Center, she says she followed the hospital's clearly-stated "no smoking" policy. (There is no smoking allowed at any time on the premises.)

"There were never any performance issues at all," Cannon insists.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: fired; hygiene; pufflist; stank; stink; stunk; wprkplace

1 posted on 07/27/2012 4:10:46 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Showing up for work with bad odor isn’t smart for a receptionist.


2 posted on 07/27/2012 4:15:17 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

People who smoke really do stink.

I guess they are used to it and don’t notice it, but it isn’t pleasant.


3 posted on 07/27/2012 4:20:31 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Daffynition

I smoked a pack a day for 35 years. Quit cold turkey in 2007. Never looked back. Never missed them. Also, never knew how bad they smelled to others until I quit. I still love the smell of good pipe tobacco and expensive cigars, but cigarettes stink. Why is that?


4 posted on 07/27/2012 4:23:37 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Venturer

I agree, if you don’t smoke it is just repugnant to be near a smoker. It is imbedded in their clothes and hair etc. My son smokes & even tho I don’t notice it that much, hubby just gets sick from the odor (he has lung problems)....if I have the least bit of a cold & a smoker comes near, it makes me cough & gag.


5 posted on 07/27/2012 4:24:05 AM PDT by GrannyK
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To: freedomfiter2
Showing up for work with bad odor

but using whose definition of "bad odor"?

i can't tolerate heavy perfume smells...makes my brain swell. :P

6 posted on 07/27/2012 4:25:10 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: Daffynition

It is a rule in many hospitals that you are not to smoke, and even the odor of it on you is grounds for dismissal.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 4:30:36 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Daffynition
"...Park Nicollet Health Services, in the Frauenshuh Cancer Center..."

Yeah...I can see where this ash tray smell might be just a little bit of a problem.
Sometimes you have to think outside the pack...;)

8 posted on 07/27/2012 4:32:23 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Daffynition

A lot of potential boy friends were also found to have been guilty of odor discrimination...


9 posted on 07/27/2012 4:33:49 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: ZinGirl

i can’t tolerate heavy perfume smells...makes my brain swell.

That sounds like bad odor. I’ve seen working employees that had so much perfume on that it made my eyes water. If you work with the public you need to make them comfortable around you (unless you’re a government worker).


10 posted on 07/27/2012 4:33:52 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Daffynition

Reading the article, the company is being a bit of a douche about it considering the lengths she went to accomodate them (which tells me there might be other reasons they wanted to get rid of her). Still, if she knew all this up front, and it seems their policy is very up front, she should have known where things stood. I don’t see a lack of disclosure issue here to where it looks like she got bait-and-switched.


11 posted on 07/27/2012 4:38:28 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Daffynition

I gave up smoking in the mid 1980s when smoking indoors was legal. In those days everyone smelled likes moke. Now it is very obvious who smokes especially those who do it in their car.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 4:44:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obam-ney Care ))
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To: Daffynition

If this is a private business then they had every right to fire her.


13 posted on 07/27/2012 4:53:24 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: freedomfiter2

She thought Hygiene was optional.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 4:53:30 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Free Vulcan
The policy up front was no smoking on the premises. They defacto made it a no smoking on or off work premises which is against the law in that state. Their excuse was that she "stank" of smoke.

I haven't had a cigarette in a long time and I still miss it. I even love the smell of cigarette smoke. I've decided that in 35 years I'm going to start smoking again. It will be too late in my life to worry about the cumulative long term health risk associated with smoking, assuming of course I don't get killed by raging neocommunists democrats before then.

15 posted on 07/27/2012 5:02:28 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: PowderMonkey

16 posted on 07/27/2012 5:16:25 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: P-Marlowe

17 posted on 07/27/2012 5:18:20 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Venturer

I’ve worked with folks who kept horses .... they smelled too. Somehow we all survived.


18 posted on 07/27/2012 5:19:51 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: ZinGirl
but using whose definition of "bad odor"?

Non smokers,who represent about 85% of the population today,pretty much universally see that odor as very unpleasant.

19 posted on 07/27/2012 5:26:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Venturer
>>>People who smoke really do stink.

They really do. My mom and dad smoked 2 packs a day...each. I remember seeing the smoke hover at about 4' high in the living room at night. Now...I know instantly when someone is a heavy smoker or is around a heavy smoker...because they stink.

I am ALSO horrified at the thought of just how bad I must have smelled because of all that 2nd hand smoke. Just to think I went through life smelling like that. I guess the only consolation is everyone else's parents were smoking so we all stunk.

20 posted on 07/27/2012 5:40:23 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Gay State Conservative
I'm a nonsmoker and I don't find the smell unpleasant. 98.3% of people are heterosexual and find the idea of homosexuality repellent but companies that fire people for being homosexual are typically sued within an inch of bankruptcy. The health risks associated with being a practicing homosexual are probably higher than that of a heterosexual smoker...can a company have a no-homosexual policy to decrease their insurance rates? While we are on the topic of unhealthy lifestyles can companies also start firing fat people? How about women? They generally use health insurance more than men. Maybe companies can start DNA screening for genetic markers that indicate a predisposition to certain diseases and not hire those people as well. Companies could stop hiring people with bad eye sight, balding people are obviously out as that is unsightly. They would need to start getting rid of workers past 50 as that is when the insurance bills really start to add up. But then young people are more prone to be engaged in risky activity so they might want to consider only hiring those above the age of 30. Then of course they need to aggressively weed out those who seem unhealthy...sunken eyes, being too skinny...for that matter just being ugly indicates some genetic flaws, so get rid of ugly people too.

When everyone is unemployed in this new utopia...who is going to pay for unemployment and welfare?

21 posted on 07/27/2012 5:56:49 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: NELSON111

Dog odors are just as bad. People think that they don’t have smells with their dogs..........whew.........couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t care how they try to clean it up, it’s in their clothes, in the air in their homes...and quite disgusting. It’s amazing what odors we can become accustomed to.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 5:58:18 AM PDT by Pure Country (“I’ve noticed that every person that is for abortion has already been born.” -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Durus

Well said, Sir.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 6:01:02 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Daffynition
I grew up in a home where both my parents smoked. I can tell you without apology that I stand with the hospital and it's no smoking policy. Besides having to put up with the smell of cigarettes while trying to eat breakfast, or having mom and dad light up at the dinner table, I also have lived all my life with lung problems--susceptibility to bronchitis, asthma and similar conditions, could very well be related to my parents' smoking habit, according to virtually ever doctor I've ever had.

By the way, Daffynition, I suspect from your Don't Tread On Me snake insignia, that you side with the smoking receptionist?
24 posted on 07/27/2012 6:02:17 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Daffynition
In high school, I dated one (1) girl who smoked. After we parted ways, even dry cleaning wouldn't get the stench out of my clothes. They had to be treated in an "ozone chamber" that is used to recover smoke-damaged clothes from house fires. But the stink never went completely away...

I vowed, "Never again!" -- and I've stood by it nearly 60 years. Disgusting stuff, cigarette smoke...

25 posted on 07/27/2012 6:11:25 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: cartan; Durus
actually, poorly said.

Batshit crazy stupid, in fact.

This is a cancer center.
They have patients receiving chemo, and radiation treatments.
The patients are subject to nausea.

She would have been just as fired if she kept coming to work with strong perfume.

When you clean these places you have to use odorless neutral cleaners, and wax with no ammonia.

Contrary to your sh!t for brains rants, there is a medical reason for the policy here.

26 posted on 07/27/2012 6:26:05 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PowderMonkey

I quit cold turkey in March of 1986.
My employer furnished me a new Chevy Caprice company car and I didn’t want to stink it up.


27 posted on 07/27/2012 6:27:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Daffynition

As a smoker who worked for a boss who clearly hired me with the announcement that he hated the smell of ashtray...

Washing your hands after every cig, listerine strips... that will do it.

I worked at a different place after that and got in the habit of it. MOst people there didn’t even know I smoked! The hands are the foulest smelling part of a smoker.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 6:31:45 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Daffynition

Hospital Receptionist Claims She Was Fired for Smelling Like Cigarette Smoke

A quick first glance led me to read it as smelling like [fish].


29 posted on 07/27/2012 6:36:55 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Daffynition

Hospital Receptionist Claims She Was Fired for Smelling Like Cigarette Smoke

A quick first glance led me to read it as smelling like [fish].


30 posted on 07/27/2012 6:37:15 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: autumnraine

My dad smoked three packs of Chesterfields a day.(none of those sissy filtered cigarettes for my dad.)
He had permanent nicotine stains on his fingers.
There were even stains on the arm of his favorite chair.


31 posted on 07/27/2012 6:41:41 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: Daffynition

I was a 2-pack a day smoker for about 10 years before quitting. I never knew how bad cigarettes smelled until I quit. However, I have to question this receptionist’s hygeine habits. If she is not smoking during working hours, she should not smell that bad. I have sales reps who call on me that smoke, and I have even ridden in their cars at lunch; but I never smell smoke on them or their vehicles. They use those Febreze things in their cars, and I never smell cigarettes.


32 posted on 07/27/2012 6:43:29 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Durus
...balding people are obviously out as that is unsightly...

Now you've gone to far (from someone that has N/A on my drivers license for hair color).

33 posted on 07/27/2012 6:46:45 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: GrannyK

http://www.vapor4life.com/


34 posted on 07/27/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: TruthWillWin

I’m losing it too, but it doesn’t bother me. :)


35 posted on 07/27/2012 7:30:48 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

I’m so sick of the nanny state intrusion into our privacy. What if *they* didn’t like her perfume/deodorant...color of her lipstick...her ear rings...piercings? Where does it end.

I don’t think, in a public setting...that I have *ever* got so close to an employee to *smell* them. Geez.


36 posted on 07/27/2012 7:44:45 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Durus
SF moved to ban cig sales in Walgreen pharmacies

It never ends with these people.

37 posted on 07/27/2012 7:50:45 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: righttackle44

I object to the intrusion of what you/one does in private...on their own time. What if the employee is a few pounds overweight...or high cholesterol numbers ...wrong BMI...doesn’t turn right on red....has red wine with fish??

Where does this end?


38 posted on 07/27/2012 7:59:53 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: MrEdd
How many people have been disciplined there for wearing strong perfume? How many for smelling of their pets? How many for just smelling bad in general? If it's true that working there required individuals to be "smell neutral" they must have a track record of prior disciplinary actions, and you of course must know of these to be so sure in your assertions. I await your evidence of direct knowledge.

Further, again you might have some source of direct knowledge, according to the information given there isn't a policy on the way people smell, just a "no smoking on company property" policy. If there were a smell policy that included strong perfume, smoking, pets, and whatever else it would be a very different case don't you think? If smells were in fact such an important issue for the health of the patients and the work environment was that sensitive, why don't they have a written policy concerning smells?

Of course you could just be one of those folks that think that grade school insults are a replacement for logical discourse. If that is the case don't bother to respond. If I wanted a insult laden discussion free from logic and reason I would talk to a liberal.

39 posted on 07/27/2012 8:38:02 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: PowderMonkey
I smoked a pack a day for 35 years. Quit cold turkey in 2007

I quit in August '08 after 50 years, I was at 2 packs a day. If I'm close to cigarette smoke, it stinks but sometimes, at a distance, like in a parking lot, it can smell quite good to me. I have no idea why.

40 posted on 07/27/2012 9:32:34 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: Sans-Culotte

I have a dear friend who I do a lot of stuff with ...unfortunately, she wears tons of perfume. It’s overpowering. I like her so much, I’ll never say a word...I value her friendship more than her pungent perfume. I swear I can smell it, even when we gab on the phone!


41 posted on 07/27/2012 10:55:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Durus
http://cancer.about.com/od/chemotherapy/a/managenausea.htm

http://www.cureourchildren.org/nausea.htm

Keeping cancer patients from vomiting is not a political issue.
Yes, every one producing strong odors there would be fired. No exceptions.

If I wanted to bother, I could have pasted thirty or forty links on nausea in cancer patients. I should not have to. Instead, you should learn how to use a search engine.

42 posted on 07/27/2012 11:05:03 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
I never said that it was a political issue. If they had fired everyone that every produced strong odors they would have a written policy concerning the issue and they do not. The simple fact that they don't have an odor policy in this particular facility idicates that it is not as sensitive of an issue as it is in some other facilities.

I didn't need a search engine to figure this out. I also don't need a search engine to figure out they probably will have a written odor policy by the end of next week.

43 posted on 07/27/2012 12:13:51 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
You posted that my actually being aware of the medical hazards odors present to cancer patients, and then chastising you on pretending that this was a freedom issue instead of the medical necessity it actually is ...meant that I was a liberal.

Sorry to have to correct you again but “liberal” is a term referencing a political ideology.

What did you think the word was when you typed it?

As to whether a policy existed heretofore, most of those policies are cut and paste things provided by hospital management consultancies and while there might have been administrators unaware of it, this one is a standard feature for cancer centers and I am willing to put up a hundred bucks that it was indeed buried in there somewhere. No way their insurance company took them on as a client if it was not there at their initial review.

44 posted on 07/27/2012 12:52:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PowderMonkey
I smoked a pack a day for 20 years and quit cold turkey in 2003, but I still enjoy a blast of second hand smoke even now and then. I weaned myself off tobacco with second hand smoke and gummy worms.

The smell of tobacco on people is not very appealing, but I'd still rather smell that than cologne or perfume.

45 posted on 07/27/2012 12:59:16 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: MrEdd
What I said was that people that argue using insults rather than facts are typically liberal. Further had I actually called you a liberal I would only be calling you a liberal, I would not be inferring that cancer patients concerns are liberal or political in nature.

Perhaps they have a buried policy concerning smokers or other odor producers and perhaps they don't. If there was a policy in place I don't think this would be a story, further the medical facility in question should have never hired her in the first place. Further yet again is that with the extreme steps she took I sincerely doubt she smelled of cigarettes at all. I posit, yet again, that it was an excuse to fire her because she was a smoker and refused to quit. Her State of residence specifically forbids a company for firing someone for any activity outside of work that is legal. This includes smoking.

46 posted on 07/27/2012 1:09:48 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Daffynition

You are nicer than I am. I tell them about it! The only time that I choke up and have trouble breathing (asthma) is when I am forced to breathe strong scents and smoke.
I don’t BBQ or cook on my grill anymore for the same reason.
I hate being so sensitive but I can’t help it. If you can’t breathe you have to do something about it, mostly I just go somewhere else “if” I can.


47 posted on 07/27/2012 1:30:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Durus

I never used insults rather than facts.
and the odor thing with cancer patientd is not some little known obscure thing.

It is a grat big, in your face, can’t miss it, problem for cancer patients.

You are how old?

You have never known anyone with cancer?

Or is it you never bothered to care for the family and friends you have known who had it, and when they needed help you vanished?

Everyone in treatment struggles with this. It becomed huge to them.


48 posted on 07/27/2012 1:53:33 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Ditter

I’m sorry for your suffering Ditter...that’s no fun!


49 posted on 07/27/2012 8:22:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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