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Olympics: Torch bearer kisses his boyfriend as spectators cheer
LGBTQNation ^ | July 27 2012 | Ken Williams

Posted on 07/27/2012 10:52:35 AM PDT by scottjewell

LONDON – A gay man carrying the Olympic torch today on the streets of London was cheered by spectators when he kissed his boyfriend during his stretch of carrying the device that will light the giant Olympic Flame tonight during the opening ceremony that will be telecast by NBC in the U.S. on a tape-delay basis.

Chris Basiurski, who chairs Gay Football Supporters Network in Great Britain, was one of thousands of Britons who were chosen to carry the Olympic torch over the past 70 days as part of the Olympic Torch relay that leads up to the lighting ceremony.

Basiurski told the spectators that he and his partner, James, would be getting married next year.

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To: Elsie

Thank you, Elsie for taking the time to post the Word of God. It is the only truth, politics and personal preferences aside.

Christians are in for a bad time now. The Word will be our armor and our solace.


151 posted on 07/28/2012 10:20:59 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Elsie; Las Vegas Ron
...because it isn't FAGGOTRY??

With all due respect to both of you, I don't share your "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" view of the world.

I have found it helpful to not only question the beliefs of others with whom I disagree, but also to reflect and question my own reasons for holding the beliefs that I do. Personally, I don't think that your vitriolic reaction really does credit to Free Republic and may be a reason that a number of prominent conservatives seem to avoid associating themselves with us.

I fully support your right to your position on this issue, but I think your point is much more effectively advanced by reason rather than emotional vitriol.

All the best.

152 posted on 07/28/2012 10:22:06 AM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus
I fully support your right to your position on this issue, but I think your point is much more effectively advanced by reason rather than emotional vitriol.

"Go and sin no more."

Spoken a long time ago...


1 Corinthians 6:9

 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:

 
 
Sounds pretty REASONABLE to me!!!



153 posted on 07/28/2012 11:07:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

2 Timothy 4:3 NIV

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


154 posted on 07/28/2012 11:08:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dmz
Would rather live where gays can kiss openly than any of the 3 countries you seem to admire so much.

Regardless your assinine arguments attempting to attribute comments you alone made, your support of faggotry is unwelcome here.

Move along now -maybe DU would be more receptive to such...

155 posted on 07/28/2012 11:43:11 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: scottjewell
It's a new world we live in...

No not really, remember Sodom & Gomorrah? Everything tends to run in cycles -the progress that progressives think they make ALWAYS end is failure...

LMAO -public perversion by disordered individuals is nothing new..

156 posted on 07/28/2012 11:47:33 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: PhxTM06
I’ve been to that nation of faith, its called Saudi Arabia.

Try Christianity instead... REGARDLESS your experience with Saudi Arabian homosexuality. Homosexual sex is disordered, unhealthy, and self destructive individually and societally.

157 posted on 07/28/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: PhxTM06
The issue of gay marriage is a whole different story and very controversial

P.S. What exactly is "controversial" about not recognizing faggotry as a premise for marriage?

158 posted on 07/28/2012 11:58:16 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: dmz
Would rather live where gays can kiss openly than any of the 3 countries you seem to admire so much.

Richard III was executed in the Red Tower of Pontefract castle by the Lords Ordainers with a red-hot poker for his sodomy, and his boyfriend Piers Gaveston was stuffed out a high window of Scarborough Castle.

159 posted on 07/28/2012 2:32:32 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: dmz
I’ll ask you, of all the countries in which gay kissing would lead to arrest, which one do you want to raise your sons and daughters in?

Nicely done false dichotomy -- just the way GLAAD teaches their werewolf pupae to do it, when they come trolling on FR.s Inappropriate displays of personal affection/sexual attraction (wanna get technical?) are usually handled, among heterosexual people, by an array of public and private feedback mechanisms.

Gays want zero controls on them, zero feedback, and they test their freedom by deliberately offending the straights -- and then bragging and laughing about it.

That needs correcting. Any suggestions? Or are you cheering them on?

160 posted on 07/28/2012 2:41:09 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s Edward II, not Richard III.


161 posted on 07/28/2012 2:42:06 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: dmz

You totally miss the point. The agenda to instill communism here includes the demoralization of society and the destruction of the family. The commie wanna bes use the homos to promote their agenda. The anti God, anti Christian agenda... And it’s working. They’ll use the gays, then they’ll kill them. It’s that simple. So it’s not either/or. They are really one in the same.


162 posted on 07/28/2012 2:44:08 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: lentulusgracchus

I believe it was Edward II who got the hot seat. Richard III was killed in the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485 according to Wikipedia. Was that where he supposedly cried “A horse . . my kingdom for a horse!”


163 posted on 07/28/2012 2:44:35 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: Publius
You're right, thank you for the correction. Richard was the man who needed a horse.

In checking, I discovered there is now a Piers Gaveston Society at Oxford -- a secret society, of course, described by Wiki thusly:

Its members have a reputation for indulging in bizarre entertainments and sexual excess. Traditionally, the society organises secret bacchanalian parties for hundreds of friends, who are whisked away to secret locations (usually grand country mansions) to enjoy a night of Bollinger champagne, beluga caviar, multitudinous illegal drugs, and public copulation.

The rot has run deep in English upper-crusty society for quite some time; it's where the OGPU found their most damaging English spies back in the 30's.

164 posted on 07/28/2012 2:52:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
It's one thing to be a flaming homosexual. It's quite another to let it affect public policy.

Edward II was lucky his father, Edward Longshanks, didn't pitch him out a window.

165 posted on 07/28/2012 2:57:59 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: 19th LA Inf

Well, if not him; it was SOME one!!

Likewise “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” is still seen on FR every day!!


166 posted on 07/28/2012 4:19:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Actually, I seem to have found myself at the bottom of a hole, so I think I’ll stop digging.


167 posted on 07/28/2012 4:41:56 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Elsie
Sounds pretty REASONABLE to me!!!

Sorry Elsie but my BS meter starts to go wild when you resort to quoting Bible verses. Are you with the Westboro Baptist Church too?

I have known people over the years who claim to believe that they know the mind of God, I fear they are sadly deluded. I can only venture to say that God is much greater than you imagine and not peevish and petty like my Aunt Hildegaard.

168 posted on 07/29/2012 3:04:15 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus
Sorry Elsie but my BS meter starts to go wild when you resort to quoting Bible verses.

You should go NUTS with THIS; then!!



NIV Matthew 2:5
"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 1:1-4
1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
 
NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

NIV Acts 1:20
"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

NIV Acts 7:42
But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

NIV Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

NIV Acts 13:32-33
32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

NIV Acts 15:15-18
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.

NIV Acts 23:5
Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

NIV Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

NIV Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

NIV Romans 2:24
As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

NIV Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

NIV Romans 3:10-12
10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

NIV Romans 4:17
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

NIV Romans 4:23-24
23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

NIV Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

NIV Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

NIV Romans 11:7-10
7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

NIV Romans 11:26-27
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

NIV Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

NIV Romans 14:11
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

NIV Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

NIV Romans 15:7-12
7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

NIV Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

NIV Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

NIV Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

NIV Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

NIV Galatians 4:27
For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

NIV Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

169 posted on 07/29/2012 3:18:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus
I have known people over the years who claim to believe that they know the mind of God, I fear they are sadly deluded.

Since you've been here longer than I; I'll bow to your superior experience.

I, OTOH, have known folks who have read the bible; but then go away and put none of what they read into practice.


(Yes; I have a verse for that, too! ;^)


James 1:23-25

Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

170 posted on 07/29/2012 3:21:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
You don't understand or attempt to understand anything that is said to you. In that respect, you remind me of my experiences in trying to reason with liberals.

All the best to you Elsie, but I shall not waste my time any further.

171 posted on 07/29/2012 3:22:18 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus
I can only venture to say that God is much greater than you imagine and not peevish and petty like my Aunt Hildegaard.

I'll pray that your aunt will gain some insight into inter-personal relationships.

There are many who would rather be praised into Hell, than rebuked into Heaven.

172 posted on 07/29/2012 3:24:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus
All the best to you Elsie, but I shall not waste my time any further.

Come back whenever you wish.

I'll still post stuff.

(Nice homepage you've got - it explained a lot.)

173 posted on 07/29/2012 3:28:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus
In that respect, you remind me of my experiences in trying to reason with liberals.

That's because I don't reason.

I put data out for folks to make up their own mind.

(Thomas Paine would have loved me.)

174 posted on 07/29/2012 3:30:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus; Elsie

“If the guy would have kissed a girlfriend instead, would it have been ok? Of course, but why?”

Natural law. The reason you are squeamish is you still have a functioning conscience. Reason dictates that pre-reproductive behavior belongs in a biological context where reproduction is at least theoretically possible. You are having a natural reaction to seeing something irrational on its face.

It was God Himself who provided us with this rational capacity so we would be accountable for sin even if we didn’t happen to be literate and have a Bible, although those who can read their Bible’s are even more responsible for their rejection of God’s design for our life:

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Keep reading that chapter and you’ll notice that homosexuality in a culture is a consequence of rejecting the aforementioned natural revelation of God. To position that as a matter of their preferences versus ours, with no objective, rational moral reference points, is to join in that rejection of divine revelation, to adopt a new religion that is not Christian in content or belief.

It’s a free country, and people can believe what they like under human law, but God’s law is rooted in rational realities that He created, and it does not change to suit our popular trends. The gay revolution is but a flash in the pan. History is not on their side, because history belongs to God, and he will have the last word.


175 posted on 07/29/2012 3:45:07 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: cerberus

“is it REALLY hurting anybody?”

If it’s identified as a sin, then by definition it harms both God and the sinner.

If we love the sinner, we should give him warning reminding him of God’s law.


176 posted on 07/29/2012 3:48:32 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Springfield Reformer
Thank you for your thoughtful post. You have obviously given serious thought to this and, if your explanation works for you, I respect that.

My concept of God is not concrete or Christian in content or belief as yours is. Joseph Campbell said something to the effect that the term God is a metaphor for all of the things that we do not understand and cannot explain. That would be closer to my sense of God. However, enough of that as we could argue till the cows come home and neither of us will be moved by the other's argument.

As to why one feels squeamish seeing two individuals of the same sex kissing, I personally seriously question your assertion that it is due to conscience (although, I do have one and I know you do as well). For example I can think of many instances wherein a person might feel squeamish, but it is not related to conscience but rather to custom. As an example, when I see someone eating fried snake skin, drinking snake blood or eating the fertilized duck embryo that my Filipino in-laws eat, I feel very squeamish because it is way outside the range of the foods that I have been accustomed to. I might also feel squeamish if I saw a grotesquely unattractive heterosexual couple kissing. Additionally, many people at one time had strong reactions to two people of different races marrying whereas now it is quite accepted, etc..

In short, you and I are never going to agree but I thank you for sharing your thoughts.

177 posted on 07/29/2012 5:53:48 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus
My concept of God is not concrete or Christian in content or belief as yours is.

It's been reported that a certain man; oh, about 2k years ago; said that HE was the only way to GOD (the Father I think he called GOD).

What do you think of that claim?


John 14:6

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

178 posted on 07/29/2012 8:05:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

bttt


179 posted on 07/30/2012 5:54:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus
If the guy would have kissed a girlfriend instead, would it have been ok? Of course, but why?

What if someone eats feces -is that okay?

Get a clue.

180 posted on 08/02/2012 9:13:25 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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What if someone eats feces -is that okay?

Well, since you ask, if a sane individual wants to eat poop, it's no skin off my noise as long as he does it in the privacy of his own home.

I don't think we need any more laws or punishments on the books for this and, moreover, I am not expecting it to become a big issue anytime soon.

181 posted on 08/05/2012 10:50:38 AM PDT by cerberus
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