Skip to comments.Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing psychiatrist at university before massacre
Posted on 07/27/2012 1:06:39 PM PDT by Zakeet
The shooting suspect in the Colorado theater rampage was seeing a university psychiatrist specializing in schizophrenia in the weeks before the July 20 attack, according to court records released Friday.
James Holmes was seeing Lynne Fenton, the director of student mental health services at the University of Colorado and a medical school professor. Holmes was a first-year graduate student in a neuroscience Ph.D. program.
Fenton, medical director of the counseling facility, has written numerous papers and launched research in the area of schizophrenia. She did not respond to calls to her home and office.
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Lynne Fenton, MD ... what did she know and when did she know it ... things just got a lot more interesting at the medical school
Give Dr. Fenton an F. If he showed up with his bushy orange hair, give her an F-.
Lawyer Up Lady!! ...you’re gonna need a good one!
Before we rush to crucify Dr. Fenton (and I am no fan of shrinks), we should find out what kind of legal roadblocks would have been in the way of her notifying authorities of what had come out of her sessions with Holmes.
Probably was taking the medication Prozac
What med’s did she have him on?
Psychiatrists who knowingly do not notify authorities when receiving this kind of information are subject to civil suits as well as disciplinary action from licensing authorities, Ablow said.
If a person is named in a patients threat, psychiatrists are required to go one step further. In a Supreme Court of California case known as the Tarasoff case, a patient had confided with a psychiatrist that he had intentions of killing a girl he had been stalking. While the psychiatrist contacted the police about detaining his patient, he did not notify the woman herself, and she was later stabbed and killed by the patient.
The Tarasoff case ruling set a precedent that mental health professionals would be required to notify people who had been specifically named by their patients as targets for harm.
If its a named victim, that person has to be alerted, Ablow said. If James Holmes had said these three people by name are intended, even if [his psychiatrist] did tell police, [they] still have to alert the people named and tell them this person has said he intends to take your life.
So the first question: Was this his psychiatrist? Ablow added. If it was if he thought this would constitute a significant threat, he would have been required to put Holmes in a locked psychiatric unit even if it required police intervention.
However, First noted that it can sometimes be difficult to determine whether or not something a patient says in confidence is a significant danger or if its just expressing thoughts that they cant say to anyone else.
As a university professor, the odds are that Lynne Fenton is a Democrat and 0-supporter. She may even support 0-care. If this is true, we can play the blame game too.
Based upon “studies” they say the higher your education the more likely you are to be a liberal....ergo, the shooter was a liberal since he was a PhD student.
She would have to have be aware a crime was going to be committed. Just because he was seeing her doesn’t mean he told her what he was planning. It does further prove the profession is junk science that does more harm than good, but I agree, wait for the facts to emerge before jumping the gun on crusifiction
Dr. Fenton, if this man was deeply disturbed and killed all those people, how do you FEEL about that?
She has kind of a crazy smile herself. My wild guess is she was away on vacation when her patient went berserk. He felt abandoned and this pushed him over the edge
more than years and millions of dollars with shrink.
CU-Boulder has a policy requiring all students have a health insurance plan during their time at CU. You must select or waive the university insurance by September 5, 2012 or you will be automatically enrolled in the Student Gold Health Insurance Plan and billed $1,363 for the fall semester.
Ahh, yes, the scam continues...
That would look better with the Obama symbol instead of a D.
Even though laws are in place nothing can keep them in an institution for very long until after they've committed a major crime Usually they are turned out on the steets as homeless. ....
Psychiatry is mostly a cult, pretending to be a science.
If they ever “succeed” at whatever they do, its only when their common sense somehow overcomes their psychiatric training.
The mind is complex...could she have put him on a med that contributed to his behavior? Yep...but could she have known? Nope...
That does it! We’ve got to outlaw psychiatrists. Or, universities. Or, both.
Or any other SSRI
Very true and when prescription meds interact with non-prescription pharmaceuticals, you never know what the outcome will be.
I agree. You can string up the head of chik-fil-a, but it’s almost legally impossible to commit a violent mentally ill person until he has already committed the crime.
This came out of Langian psych, which said that only the mad were the truly sane ...because everybody else had been driven crazy by capitalism.
In the US, Psychiatrists are medical doctors. They take the same courses in Med School as any other doctor. I don't think they're pretending to be anything but physicians who are trying to help sick people.
I hate to see her tarred and feathered before anything is known about what he said to her.
I had made friends with a Russian immigrant who was basically treated like a slave for 50 years before coming to the US. After about a year of socializing with her, she called me at work while she was having some kind of psychotic break. I cajoled and manipulated to get her to see a doctor. If this prof’s name was in the phone book I would have taken my friend there. Just what are we to do when people are mentally ill? I was GLAD I found a physician who understood. But even he didn’t tell her his suspicion that she was schizophrenic while she was in his office (too dangerous). The doc sent a letter to her home explaining her symptoms, detailing medication that successfully treats the illness, and encouraging her to see one of the psychiatrists he listed. She assumed ‘they’ (the people trying to kill her) ‘got to him’ and wouldn’t seek treatment.
Schizophrenics are tough to treat. What if that had been a family member? This form of mental illness exists and has to be faced somehow by someone.
If this prof psch is guilty of something, fine, charge her and exert the full force of the law. But someone has to treat schizophrenics and I am not aware of anything this woman did wrong. Can we wait to find out?
Schizophrenics are the most likely (among mentally ill) to have a violent confrontation with police. Heaven help us - what do we do with people who need treatment for this illness? Some are in locked facilities but there are many who aren’t and apparently the drugs used to treat can be very successful, allowing people to still have lives etc. And then there are those who won’t take medication or whose condition deteriorates (e.g., and then I get a freakish phone call at work)after being stable and ‘safe’ for long periods of time.
So far, with the limited info, this woman stands accused of being willing to treat patients for an illness she specializes in. If she broke the law - GET HER. But if she’s just willing to treat the ill, I don’t see the reason for the vitriole. Med physicians are the first to admit that they don’t have the command of the psych meds that psych’s have.
What might have been the case here is that Dr Fenton actually received the package from Holmes, opened it, but did not act on its bizarre contents. Remember: it was only the next day when the reports that the package was lying in a corner of the mail room, unopened. I believed that then, but now??
Many of the comments on this post are grossly ahead of the facts. There is no information on: how long James Holmes “was seeing” the psychiatrist; whether he revealed anything threatening to her; what, if any, meds or treatment he was prescribed; whether he actually followed any advice, etc.
I rather doubt that the ultra-shy Holmes, in only a few weeks, opened up his whole house of horrors to a stranger. Those who seek psychiatric help generally have mental problems to begin with — the doctor doesn’t create them. Psychiatric problems are difficult to evaluate and treat, and some psychotropic meds take weeks or months to start working, often requiring adjustments to dosage, trying different ones, etc.
Let’s not play into the Liberals favorite game: holding SOMEONE ELSE responsible for the perpetrator’s actions.
You think you might be crazy? Get treatment. No gun for you.
I think our citizen militia can do just fine without those on anti psychotic meds who think they need to lay down and talk about their problems. We can give them guns AFTER the revolution starts.
No offense to those responsible gun owners who do take meds or talk to a shrink, but sheesh. Crazy and guns don't mix well.
The line between crazy and genius is a thin one.
RUSH TO JUDGMENT - A public pastime.
Kind of depends on whether Holmes is faking, or really crazy. IMHO, it is some of both.
There were stories that his 'girlfriend' had dumped him.
Maybe he had a 'thing' for his psychiatrist, and your 'wild guess' falls in line.
He was being thrown out of his apartment, he had no job, and his 'girlfriend' psychiatrist 'dumps' him (let's him know she's not interested) and then goes on vacation.
Yes, but as you point out, they are still pretending.
And I was thinking he was a loser who couldn’t get a girlfriend. Guess I was wrong.
So clever of you to pick up on my poorly written sentence. I caught it too late and there is no edit feature. You know perfectly well what I meant, but you're just so smart.
My prayer is that neither you nor any member of your family ever need the service of a psychiatrist.
Sadly, there are many who do.
Schizophrenics have manic episodes of paranoia.
If it makes him feel any better, he has a reason to be paranoid now. Theres just 300 million people who want him dead.
Boy, if Holmes was paying for this treatment, he got ripped off.
She did not respond to calls to her home and office
No doubt. ..
Bet the university was paying her 100k per year....
This would be like taking your vehicle to a mechanic, and having all your wheels fall off on the way home...
Looking at her pic, she's got that "we are the world" academia Pollyanna look going on.
He claimed to be “in the middle” which at U of Col means somewhere between Trotsky and Lenin.
I’m a shrink, and have dealt with pretty rough crowds most of my career. For 25 years, I have seen several hundred new patients every year who want to do nothing more than kill themselves or someone else. If any of them ever do, my a$$ could be grass professionally.
To top it off, the law ties my hands about what I can and can’t do, and to top it off even further, law dictates - unlike LEOs or ANY other profession - that it is MY responsibility (sitting in my office) to protect all the people involved.
Anyone who hasn’t walked in the shoes of this doctor, and who doesn’t lay their careers on the line repeatedly, trying to treat dangerous illnesses with less than perfect but most often life-saving medicines, can go pound sand.
sorry if I offend - but its what I believe, based on interactions with the more a few psychiatrists I know and have met.
I would consult a medical doctor, and I would consult a priest. both professions have existed since the beginning of time. Psychiatry? Still a work in progress.
I also wonder how the profession ever carved out for itself the concept that there are people that ONLY psychiatrists can help??
Since you've been doing this 25 years, I would imagine you've treated approximately 5,000 patients. So out of thousands of mental patients, none have killed themselves?
All this fiend had were some pathological personality characteristics, which could not cloud his grasp of right and wrong sufficiently to know what he was doing was the ultimate of evils. His internship at Salk showed he wasn't really up to par for the PhD program he eventually enrolled in. That means he was not judged by Salk's Johnson to be capable of independent original research. Graduating from UC Riverside post internship, showed he had the ability to copy and make one of the comic book scenarios of evil he enjoyed come to life.
He's basically just a spoiled kid whose world view and outlook collapsed and he decided to commit suicide by creating and playing a real life evil 'toon where his pain was spread as much as he could. Contacting this psychiatrist is just part of the game he set up and forced folks to play.
Oh man she was an M.D. and a psychiatrist with (apparently) a considerable research and publishing history.
I don’t think they could touch her for under $250K.
You're probably correct, the University of Colorado was probably paying her 250k per year.
Isn't the university a state government run school?