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Ford's Trade-In: Truck to Use Aluminum in Place of Steel
WSJ ^ | 07/26/2012 | MIKE RAMSEY

Posted on 07/27/2012 2:33:00 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

Edited on 07/27/2012 2:39:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

ALLEN PARK, Mich.—In this suburb just west of Detroit, Ford Motor Co. is working on one of the biggest gambles in its 108-year history: a pickup truck with a largely aluminum body.

The radical redesign will help meet tougher federal fuel-economy targets now starting to have wide-ranging effects on Detroit's auto makers. But Ford will have to overcome a host of manufacturing obstacles, plus convince die-hard pickup buyers that aluminum is as tough as steel.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: aluminum; automakers; cafe; energy; energypolicy; ford; fordmotor; fordtrucks; greenreligion; manufacturing; physics
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To: Figment

Want to know what’s wrong with Americans? Look at this thread!

Americans used to want to push the envelope, to be the first with new technologies and materials. But now we want to cower with WWII technology when the Space Age already seems old-fashioned.


121 posted on 07/27/2012 8:00:11 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: yarddog
Didn’t Land Rover use aluminum bodies?

They made certain panels such as the hood out of aluminum. Several manufacturers have done it with great success. MGA's of the early sixties used aluminum doors, hoods and trunks. Abbarth and others did it too. I think it could be a fantastic improvement. Now, if they would just do it with a nice six cylinder diesel . . . Aluminum can be anodized making for a very hard surface that resists corrosion. If anyone doesn't think aluminum to be structurally sound, they had maybe better not get on a 747. At 950,000 pounds, aluminum wings and landing gear couldn't possibly support one.

122 posted on 07/27/2012 8:17:23 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Maine Mariner

No, I am not confusing ships. Both the Graf Spee and the Bismarck were scuttled by their crews. Michael Ballard found no hull damage to the Bismarck, proving the crew’s claim that they scuttled their ship to prevent capture.


123 posted on 07/27/2012 8:59:54 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: LibLieSlayer

True. But even though you were able to get high enough temps to burn a hole in the top of the piston, the engine didn’t catch fire. All the 2-stroke engines I had were aluminum alloy.


124 posted on 07/27/2012 9:31:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: tacticalogic
Thermite is made out of powdered aluminum and iron oxide, and the iron oxide is just there to provide oxygen. You usually use a magnesium fuse to set it off.

Powdered aluminum, some rust, and a sparkler to light it with.

Great way to get rid of a hard drive. Or... a car.

Thermite VS Car Cool Video

125 posted on 07/27/2012 9:36:52 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Surrounded_too

The Kriegsmarine’s three Panzerschiffen, or pocket battleships, were the “Graf Spee”, “Deutschland””, and “Admiral Scheer”.

The “Bismarck” and her sister “Tirpitz” were two of the largest capital ships ever built, in excess of 55,000 tons.


126 posted on 07/27/2012 10:52:12 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: ozzymandus

Not to mention that God-awful movie with Kenny More and the bathtub toy boats......which makes Lütjens into a raving Nazi when he was apolitical.


127 posted on 07/27/2012 11:00:12 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: nascarnation

No problem with anything you say. The masses need stuff.

In the long run the masses benefit from the creativity and innovation, first used in luxury products.

I was trying to suggest that the (former big) three have not led in the way they once did.

BTW the Audi Q7 will introduced an aluminum body, with weight saving of over 600 lbs. in this AWD SUV, which is also available with turbodiesel power.

A turbodiesel American full sized SUV would sell very well, but there is not one.

VW uses turbodiesels in several models, with good prices. Again, a market the (former big) three choose to forfeit.

So again, Detroit does not lead, nor do they even try to follow these days.


128 posted on 07/27/2012 11:16:56 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: UCANSEE2
I have seen blocks melt when Nitro Methane goes wrong... the first thing that you see is the cowling melt... then smoke... and then when all is done... a block that has sections that look like a stick of Land-O-Lakes left out in a midday Sun in July.

LLS

129 posted on 07/28/2012 4:26:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I think Sky was her uncle. :)


130 posted on 07/28/2012 8:09:57 AM PDT by Dartman
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To: M-cubed

There lies the other problem the government throws in the way SAFETY. Get government out of the way and the carmakers and consumers will come up with great vehicles


131 posted on 07/28/2012 8:47:48 AM PDT by Figment
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To: Dartman

May have been... that was 45 years ago!

LLS


132 posted on 07/28/2012 9:31:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Harold Shea
I wasn't clear APCs, Arcavs. When I first went over the grunts rode inside of the M-113 a mine or an RPG produced the equivalent of MUNG, if you remember the old joke.

When I went back on my second tour, 1967, the grunts rode on top. The only people who rode with their legs inside were gunners on a gun track with pots and flack jackets. Not that they helped much if you got in the way of the splash from an RPG.

133 posted on 07/28/2012 11:06:09 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Responsibility2nd
re Ford truck: now available: Bumper-to-Bumper Dealer After-Market Steel Bodies. Presto-Chango brand. Steel Body ONLY sold separately, and ONLY before Aluminum Body driven off the lot. Tax & License not included. Remarkably generous trade-in for the Aluminum Body if it can be immediately reused at the “factory.”
134 posted on 07/28/2012 2:21:57 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: Figment

Doesn’t aluminum manufacturing use much more electricity than with other materials? I wonder if anyone has modeled what the effect of the greater power load is on the grid and where the additional electricity is going to come from.


135 posted on 07/30/2012 4:44:39 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The F-250 will continue to be made with steel.
Heavier pickups are exempt from the gas mileage rule.”

I’m not disputing you, but do you have a link to the actual rule. I’ve searched and searched, and it seems to be some closely-guarded national secret.


136 posted on 07/30/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“The problems with those vehicles (and all applications where steel surfaces meet with aluminum surfaces) is that the materials do chemically react with one another, especially when exposed to salt and water. Defender 90s seem to have interesting rust problems where steel meets aluminum. “

If Ford treats the owners of 150s like Nissan treats Leaf owners, there will be a clause in the Warranty excluding damage from driving on salted roads.


137 posted on 07/30/2012 5:06:16 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: BobL

I stopped by the local Ford dealer here and asked about the new truck. The mgr said it was likely to be a 2013 or could be a 2014. The 250 diesel will have steel body parts but is not exempt from the urea requirement for exhaust treatment. Sorry, I can’t quote the regs...


138 posted on 07/30/2012 5:29:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“I stopped by the local Ford dealer here and asked about the new truck. The mgr said it was likely to be a 2013 or could be a 2014. The 250 diesel will have steel body parts but is not exempt from the urea requirement for exhaust treatment. Sorry, I can’t quote the regs...”

Thanks and no prob. The 250 diesel sounds like a decent vehicle (even if it is union-made, no choice there). The urea requirement is nothing much - it’s to get the soot out. It’s a simple system and it’s on all of the rigs now.


139 posted on 07/30/2012 5:35:35 AM PDT by BobL ( It's easy to be a saint when you have nothing on the line)
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To: Truth29

In the SE USA where most of the new auto production is headed, it will come from TVA. There are two ways to meet new fuel regs, size reduction and weight reduction. Americans have shown they don’t want smaller vehicles, thus there will be lighter materials used in ways not done before now


140 posted on 07/30/2012 12:35:11 PM PDT by Figment
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