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Frank Talk about Guns (email from Brownells)
Brownells ^ | July 27, 2012 | Brownells

Posted on 07/27/2012 3:41:46 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA

Dear Folks,

Like it or not, these are strange times. We still have high unemployment nearly everywhere. We've been handed the largest debt in the history of the world by our president. The UN is working hard to put together an Arms Trade Treaty that has all the appearances of severely restricting our rights granted under the Second Amendment, and both Ms. Clinton, our Secretary of State, and Mr. Obama have signaled they would sign it if approved by the Senate. The corn and bean belt throughout the Midwest is suffering from the worst drought conditions since 1956, which is going to affect food prices since these two crops are the main source of food for our meat and egg producers. And, the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world in 2012 according to some. Wow – kinda makes you want to think seriously about self protection, concealed carry and some serious survival planning.

(Interesting point about the Senate ratification of this UN ATT. I read from a reliable source that treaties submitted to the U.S. Senate require approval of two-thirds of Senators present to be ratified. Wonder what happens if it's brought to the floor at 0200 hours when most against it are absent and the few there are for ratification and two-thirds of them vote in favor of it.)

So, I wanted to devote these comments to concealed carry and self protection – but from a slightly different point of view. You all know that you have to get your CCW through the proper channels in your state. You may have to take training, may have to show proficiency with your handgun at a range, and may have to meet other criteria. All states except Illinois have this provision with some more or some fewer requirements. For those of you in Illinois, you can only work on/with your elected legislators to try to get something passed to allow you access to concealed carry.

But, did you think about how this current political arena or better yet the UN's ATT might affect your ability to use your firearm for your own protection once you have the permits to do so? As I said earlier, our current leadership is willing to throw the Second Amendment under the bus. The marketplace is watching all of this very closely, and we suggest you do too. If the ATT is not ratified, my guess is that the UN - in its infinite wisdom - will continue the process somehow by some means, and will keep the concept alive to be brought up again when it feels it might have a chance for ratification by the US Senate. In any event, the marketplace is going to react – ratified or not. We feel there will be a large growth of new gun owners seriously shopping for fear they will have only a few more opportunities to ever purchase a gun again. And current owners who want to expand their collection will buy to be sure they get what they want to have before something comes down. Or depending how it plays out, the market may react by going into "buy it now mode" for ammunition of certain calibers to be certain to have something to shoot in the guns they've purchased. We truly expect this to focus on the AR-15 or similar semi-auto rifles and concealed-carry pistols, and their respective ammunition.

There is currently a run on ammunition, and we've talked about the shortages in earlier WebBench Articles. As we look further into the causes for this scarcity, it all appears to point to the lack of brass from the major manufacturers. We understand they are trying to catch up, but currently to no avail. We understand part of the issue is that because of the high cost of raw materials, scrap is being searched for. And, we're told the extremely high cost of new lead makes it prohibitive for low-cost production, making scrap and re-cycled lead in high demand – more than is available, driving up the price – which may contribute to the shortage of low-cost bullets. We're told, though, the the availability of cases is the true problem in all of this mix.

Alternatives sources for cases are being sought throughout the world, and the marketplace is trying to fill that gap for the low-cost 5.56, .40 and 9mm rounds which are in such hot demand right now. From all indications, we feel demand will likely far outstrip supply for the next 12-18 months.

Now is the time to be smart and aware. Check your own supplies to see what you have squirreled away. Check all the gun shops and ammo sources around. Scan the web repeatedly and find sources for the ammo you want. Stay flexible in your choices if you can. Don't get caught up in the "I gotta buy it now 'cause I can always sell it later for a profit" game. It didn't work the last time there was a shortage; it won't play out in your favor this time, either. The factories will catch up. They're trying their durndest to do so, and they will win. Just lay in enough to keep your guns and you happy.

As for handguns and conceal carry-type firearms, there is a wondrous selection out there to chose from. As for AR-15 parts, the bolt carriers right now are almost impossible to get – but they are being made at the absolute manufacturing capacity of one of the major producers. We have them in and out of stock, but the best way to fill your needs is to get on the back order list. Usually what comes in is not enough to meet the numbers on that list. But they do come in. And your turn WILL come.

We've all been through this before. So keep up with what's going on. Best source for updates on what's going on and particularly the UN is the NRA/ILA Email Alerts – go to www.nraila.org and go to the very bottom of any of the pages and click on "Contact Us". A page opens where you can register and then click on the box that says "Sign up to receive NRA-ILA Email Alerts". You'll get the daily alert which I read faithfully to stay current. By the way, if you are not already an NRA member, now would be a super-excellent time to become one. They are, after all, the largest and strongest lobbying group supporting our Second Amendment and the rights it grants us under the Constitution. Just remember, if it were not for the Second Amendment, the First Amendment could become meaningless.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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If you are buying/building weapons or reloading it looks like things are getting tight. I bought an extra stripped AR-15 lower receiver when I built a M4orgery a few months ago. Even the it was difficult to get a good price. I am glad I did at that time. Now it seems that uppers are getting scarce. I'm in the middle of a M24 build and want to do a M10. I think I will jump on the lower for that as soon as I have funds.

If anyone knows of a good, inexpensive source of Lake City 5.56 cases, let me know. I'm looking for quantity ... 2-3k.

1 posted on 07/27/2012 3:41:52 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

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2 posted on 07/27/2012 3:57:59 PM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I got this friend who lives in Colorado.
He told me he has ordered (over the last year or so) ammo from on line store...

I wonder if “they-wink, wink” are tracking UPS and other parcel delivery services now, for shipments of ammo, primers and powder??

Would it still be safe for him to order ammo on line??


3 posted on 07/27/2012 3:59:11 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: GRRRRR
Would it still be safe for him to order ammo on line??

It would be safe. There are millions of people that buy ammo online ... too many to track. It gets even more complicated to track when reloading since people buy best price from multiple suppliers and orders are staggered. Plus I think most reloaders buy primers and powder locally to cut down on extra shipping fees.

4 posted on 07/27/2012 4:09:22 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: BigpapaBo

Thanks .. I checked them out. It is difficult to find once fired, unprocessed Lake City 5.56 brass. They have new, but no unprocessed.


5 posted on 07/27/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA
Wonder what happens if it's brought to the floor at 0200 hours when most against it are absent and the few there are for ratification and two-thirds of them vote in favor of it.

"I'll take Revolution for $1000, Alex."

6 posted on 07/27/2012 4:16:36 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Monitor
"I'll take Revolution for $1000, Alex."

Alex: "Laying siege to inner cities, where Holder's people live."

7 posted on 07/27/2012 4:22:18 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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8 posted on 07/27/2012 4:22:18 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

BTTT!


9 posted on 07/27/2012 4:37:07 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: musicman

Dagnabit, I just got a catalog that had unfinished
AK receivers for $26 and I threw it out and can’t
remember who it was Aaaaarrrrgh.
Even prices on AK parts kits have gone through
the roof!


10 posted on 07/27/2012 4:37:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
Sportsman Guide fall shooting supplies page 9 upper rt hand corner
11 posted on 07/27/2012 4:54:26 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: tet68

I saw the higher prices mentioned on another thread.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 4:54:40 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RedMDer

13 posted on 07/27/2012 5:02:14 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: riverrunner

Thanks, I thought it was them but couldn’t seem to
find it on line.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 5:07:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: riverrunner

Thanks , just ordered some, supposed to be Polish
blanks from Radom, drill and pin they say.
AK’s are a snap to build but finding the parts kits
is harder and harder.


15 posted on 07/27/2012 5:36:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

with both wars drawing down (supposedly), ammo and components should start becoming more available. The wars have been the big excuse for the supply shortages for over a decade now.


16 posted on 07/27/2012 5:36:55 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Regarding the Senate vote, and the 2/3rds required; I think no matter how many are there for the vote, the ultimate vote has to be 2/3rds of the total number of Senators.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 5:39:30 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RC one
with both wars drawing down (supposedly), ammo and components should start becoming more available. The wars have been the big excuse for the supply shortages for over a decade now.

DHS just inked a contract for 175 million rounds of 5.56 ammo. This is completely out of control, considering at the height of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, our military only consumed 5.1 million rounds per month. DHS is Obama's army and they threaten our freedom and liberties each and every day.

18 posted on 07/27/2012 5:57:36 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

Holy shiite! that is some BS. what are they prepping for I wonder? We need to bankrupt this government.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 6:19:58 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: ConservativeInPA

So everything’s sold out for another year and a half or more. Thanks. I’ll check again later in a couple of years.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 6:24:00 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: ConservativeInPA
Ya know, the wifey thought I was nutty when we lived back in Pa and I was buying case after case of 556; back when it was $179, back when Colt prebans were $440 new. She doesn't think it is nutty anymore. My problem is I never shoot them anymore, they are all in vault. Nowadays we hunt with 6.8s, 338 fed, and pretty quick, I'll have a new 308 Scar to kill moose & caribou with.

I don't see the shortage, but I reload for all my hunting ARs; FMJs just go right through and ya feed the wolves. No joke, buy a 6.8 stag and you'll say good by to your old 556 ARs. I load 29 grains H322 with 110 grain ttsx and getting over 2700 on the chrono; have killed bou out to 550 yards with that sweet little shooter with horse shoe/red dot Acog. I also really like the SSA brass and they seem to always have what I order. Getting away from the 556 with ARs seems to improve availability, but mainly for reloaders. Seriously, I have real peace of mind in the fact knowing that my grandkids will be getting their fresh meat with the ammo I took care of before they were even born.

And get outta of Pa, dyin place for sure and there's much nicer, freer country all over America than back east.

21 posted on 07/27/2012 6:46:24 PM PDT by Eska
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To: RC one

“We need to bankrupt this government”. I believe that has to definitely be in the cards for us soon. We have to seriously start considering the refusal to file tax returns and pay taxes to starve this unconstitutional,marxist/islamist,anti-individual Freedom and Liberty Beast, known as the Obama administration.


22 posted on 07/27/2012 7:37:37 PM PDT by mark1973
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To: ConservativeInPA

If bho gets re-elected, DHS will become, DHC:

Dept of Homeland CONTROL.


23 posted on 07/27/2012 7:44:57 PM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Eska
"No joke, buy a 6.8 stag and you'll say good by to your old 556 ARs."

Hey Eska, what's a 6.8 stag? I haven't found info on it. Is it what others are calling the 6.8 SPC cartridge, maybe, and are you talking about a Stag Arms (CMT, Connecticut) rifle/receiver? I like handloading, BTW. Thanks. Also, BTW, how's recoil with the 6.8 you're referring to? Light enough for quick second target acquisition after firing (e.g., for our womenfolk to use)?


24 posted on 07/27/2012 9:35:18 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

I started my daughters on the 6.8 spc; pretty much like the 223 but it shoots a .277 110 grain bullet. It’s my plinkin gun for wood at high water in the Yukon and have killed wolves, bear & lots of caribou with same gun. Once you shoot it, you’ll stop shooting the .556, no joke. We hunt off snowmachine & 4 wheeler with 2 point slings, works well enough.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 11:44:22 PM PDT by Eska
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To: SuziQ
“the ultimate vote has to be 2/3rds of the total number of Senators.”
No. The Constitution (Article 2, Sec.2) states:”provided two-thirds of the Senators PRESENT concur”. To pass anything, the Senate requires a quorum, which IIRC is fifty-one. So two-thirds of that would be 34. That's why the treaty process is risky when dealing with our rights. Some of those bas*&^%ds would sign our rights away in a heartbeat.
26 posted on 07/28/2012 12:03:21 AM PDT by Southbound ("A liar in public life is worse than a full-paid-up Communist, and I don't care who he is." - HST)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
An unfortunate sign of how politically charged our nation has become, that merchants are now openly discussing such things. I have also noted this in kids -- most ten year-olds today have more political awareness than most people twice that age thirty years ago, myself included.

But as the left has continued its endless drumbeat of agitation, corruption and increasing arrogance, I suppose it's only to be expected.

They have been sowing the wind for a very long time now.

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27 posted on 07/28/2012 7:45:47 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Back in 1965 I traded a Colt Challenger, which is a version of the Woodsman, for an excellent 1903A3 and 1000 rounds of Lake City Match. Of course it was 30-06. The rifle also had a Redfield receiver sight and Sourdough front.

The trade was pretty much an even one but now I would think I got way the best of it. Ammo really has gone up faster than inflation.


28 posted on 07/28/2012 8:03:50 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: SuziQ; ConservativeInPA
...I think no matter how many are there for the vote, the ultimate vote has to be 2/3rds of the total number of Senators.
Stop thinking (which means you're actually guessing) and know!
Simply read the Constitution!
Right there in black and white and you're guessing!?

@ Constitution of the United States

Article II, Section 2
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and...

Not meaning to rag, but your comment shows your true ignorance, SuziQ.

29 posted on 07/28/2012 8:09:46 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Not meaning to rag,

Then don't. There are ways to give feedback without being a complete jerk.

30 posted on 07/28/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
"There are millions of people that buy ammo online ... too many to track.

Don't you believe it. If you read up on what the NSA is doing, it will raise the hairs all over your body. The new SIGINT facility they are building has sufficient storage capacity to handle all electronic communication ON THE ENTIRE PLANET....FOR A CENTURY.

If the data is stored, it can be "mined" at any time in the future. As processor speeds, decryption, and other algorithms get more powerful, more use will be made of more and more of that stored info.

31 posted on 07/28/2012 10:40:05 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Professional Engineer
There are ways to give feedback without being a complete jerk.
How was I being a jerk? Simply telling someone to know what they're talking about instead of guessing at it, especially when it's such a core Constitutional matter, is being a jerk in your book?
32 posted on 07/28/2012 11:53:13 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I don't doubt the government's ability to track purchases, but they would have problems going after all the people that purchase ammo online.

The numbers are on the side a gun owners.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

So I do not worry about the government coming after my guns. With that said, I do not like the government collecting information about me.

33 posted on 07/29/2012 7:52:22 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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