Skip to comments.Tom Hoefling to debate Virgil Goode [Three CA presidential debates, Aug. 1, 4 & 7]
Posted on 07/27/2012 4:57:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
For Immediate Release
Sacramento, CA - America's Party presidential nominee Tom Hoefling has accepted the invitation of the American Independent Party of California to participle in three debates with candidates vying for their 2012 presidential nomination.
The dates for the three debates have been set for Wednesday August 1st, Saturday August 4th, and Tuesday August 7th.
While these will be evening events, the exact start times have not yet been announced. All three debates will be broadcast live on web radio. Please watch americaspartynews.com and tomhoefling.com for additional information and a live link which will be provided as soon as it becomes available.
Reportedly, as of this evening, four candidates have agreed to participate: Tom Hoefling of America's Party, Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, Will Christensen of the Independent American Party, and Ed Noonan of the American Independent Party.
The first debate will address principles, the second will focus on domestic policy, and the third will deal with foreign policy.
For those who might not know, I'm Tom Hoefling, and I've posted at FR for more than a dozen years as EternalVigilance.
Let's take our country back!
Between the income tax and a consumption tax, which is the greater evil?
So if I choose consumption tax as less evil, I’ve succumbed to the income tax.
I would like to watch it but I’m having a root canal and I don’t want to miss that.
Oh, is Romney speaking that night?
(Do I need to place a sarcasm tag here?)
Good luck to you!
Funny how some people bitch about Obama and Romney, then when someone decides to do something as a conservative, the dipsticks come out of the woodwork to slag them. Congrats for helping to convince more people to sit and never do anything. Getting stabbed in the back by one’s own is always a good motivator. /s
I voted third party back when very young and inexperienced and learned a very harsh lesson. I may agree with planks of the platforms, but the political strategy is counterproductive, in my opinion.
All three debates will be broadcast live on web radio.I wonder if the internet is going to be able to handle the traffic that's going to be generated.
Virgil’s well known.
Can anyone tell me about Tom’s history?
Sounds great and yes it will be a no miss debate.
Much appreciation for you stepping up for conservatism and giving the nation a real choice against liberalism in November!
Congratulations, Tom. Show ‘em how it’s done!
Yep, should be some extravaganza. How often do you get to see two no chances debating the insignificant issues of the day?
I can think of lots of things to do but allowing my vote to make possible four more years of Executive orders from America's first Communist psychopath President most assuredly ain't one of them.
Fair enough. Which Conservative are you voting for? You know, so that the whole socialism thing isn’t continued for another 4 years and allowed to morph into Communism?
Maybe you guys could all agree that the winner of the debate will be the only conservative running.
Have a jury of maybe 50 Tea Party loyalists and let them decide who is the best candidate to represent the conservative cause and the other 3 will agree to drop out and support the winner.
I hope you knock that Green Party backed candidate for a loop!
Remind us again closer to the debate please.
Well, in some sense that is already going to happen. Their convention on August 11 will determine who has their precious presidential ballot line in California.
I've learned the lesson that there is only one party in power. The Establishment Party. All other parties are the "other" party. So are you going to vote for the establishment candidate or a conservative candidate?
I will. Thanks!
I’ve said this before to you, Tom, but this thread is as good a place as any to repeat it: I thought I was pro-life until I talked with you. Best wishes in your debates.
Are y’all going to be on the ballot in California?
Thank you. I really appreciate your kind words.
That’s what we’re going to find out.
Thanks again. The process you describe is what makes all of this worth it, no matter what.
I was a precinct inspector for the primary, and I remember Ed Noonan’s name on the American Independent ballot. None of the other parties mentioned for these series of debates had primary ballots, so I was wondering.
I had a Pubbie ballot, and left that contest blank, for obvious reasons. :-)
As much as I like a good debate, you guys would be equally productive at a back yard BBQ. Right now we can ill afford third party noise.
Now if you want to attend your local Caucasus in that third world country of California and try to get your stuff into the party planks, more power to you.
I'm a State Conservative as well but I'm a Hetero...Perhaps that explains the difference between our political leaning...
It might explain the intention to vote for a man that legalized homo marriage, supports homo adoption, supports special rights for homos and, er......Not that there’s anything RIGHT with that ;)
Very obvious reasons.
That particular “primary” is completely meaningless. It isn’t how the American Independent Party chooses their nominee. I stayed away from it quite purposefully.
Who gets the ballot line will be determined on August 11.
Sorry, the formerly grand old party doesn’t own me or my vote.
By the way, why would any conservative care what is in the GOP platform? Their “leadership” hasn’t paid it any mind for decades.
I'll send my congratulations as well.But I'll add a small piece of advice to him:
(And that goes for the clowns you'll be debating as well)
They don’t deter me at all.
Quite the contrary. They are a daily reminder why we must fight.
I don't know any poster who is a romneybot - but I know most are anti-0bamabots.
The time for these guys to get in it has long since passed. It's the primary they need to get into and/or change. Our nominee is decided.
This foolishness is going to help 0bama.
If someone things they can make a difference, great. Get the primary situation changed to take away some of the GOPe power. Or is that too hard? Just running for the sake of running is easier?
I’ve told this story on FR a couple times but it’s relavant here on this topic as well. In the mid/late 90s-2001 I was Senior ed at Off-Road.com, an off-road motorsport site that had landuse issues as a big part of our agenda.
The largest problem we faced was not Earth First, the ALF or Sierra Club. It was the Apathy and ‘go along/get along’ attitude of our readership (which was second only to NASCAR.com in the motorsports realm of the day). I cannot tell you how much hate mail I got from fellow off-roaders upset that I/we were hardcore anti-econut. In the many landuse issues/closure issues of the time, many wanted ‘compromise’ with the greenies and wanted us to ‘moderate’ our stance because we were ‘hurting’ the sport.
Today, every one of the places we were fighting over back then have been compromised into closure or hyper restriction.
THAT is what compromise on the issues gets people. Incrementalism proves that the path to success is by demanding a lot, taking a little and coming back for as many tomorrows as needed until the job gets done.
Compromise of 50% leaves 50%. Compromise of that leaves you 25 and so on. That is exactly how the GOP advances liberalism. And they do it because the Mittbots and appeasers in the ‘base’ clamor for it.
I am glad you will not join them.
Thanks. Good story.
Thats great in theory, but what will happen if we all just stay home? Thats right, 4 more years of Obama.
Believe me, I hate the way things have gotten and its extremely frusterating to see the most liberal condidate get nominated every single time, but the alternative put up by the D's is always worse. Better a wishy-washy rino than a diehard communist fanatic. And thats our only choices.
To paraphrase William Shakespeare, “A debate by two idiots, full of sound and furry, signifying nothing”.
It kills me to see these Romney supporters do what they are doing because the outcome is as obvious to me as the sun in the sky. The GOP is dead set determined to moderate their platform. They keep the old one around to point conservatives to, but they are governing well away from it’s direction.
That we even debate the Romney issue is unreal. Watching supposed conservative twist themselves into philosophical gordian knots to justify their support and intent to vote for a liberal blows my mind. And you just KNOW that once he wins, thanks to their abandonment of principle, they will be few and far between once the MASS Mitt returns to the Etch a Sketch board. At best, the brave ones will spout “Well Obama would have been worse” for the next 4 years.
If all these fairweather friends would man up and vote wor what they believe in rather than to win points in an unwinnable political game, they would then CONTROL the game. But instead, they’d rather mock you and other conservatives willing to jump in the breach.
Boy is THAT gonna help America...
Well, at least I know how to spell "fury."
If you're going to call folks "idiots" you'd better get an editor. I'm pretty sure spell-check wouldn't have caught that.
It’s not a theory. It’s a fact. And the results are a fact as well. You show me how anyone ‘wins’ through compromise and I’ll vote Romney. You show me how a conservative votes liberal without abandoning his beliefs to do so and I’ll vote Romney.
You show me how a person of faith votes for a hardcore abortion supporter/enabler and looks God in the eye saying “All those dead babies I empowered the Govt to send you cannot be held against me” and I’ll vote Romney.
Show me logically how empowering a liberal with Romney’s record is better than Tom or any other conservative running and I’ll vote Romney.
Until someone does, the problem is not me and those who share my beliefs. It’s the situational ethicists among the Republican and conservative movements that are and always will be the problem.
And the facts, AKA world history, bear that out.
I’ll pray for you for relief.
Don’t hold your breath, waiting for a serious answer.