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UN states fail to reach global arms trade treaty (Gun Grab Failed for Now)
wdrb ^ | Posted: Jul 27, 2012 6:03 PM MDT Updated: Jul 27, 2012 6:04 PM MDT | EDITH M. LEDERER

Posted on 07/27/2012 6:00:54 PM PDT by Red Steel

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Member states failed to reach agreement Friday on a new U.N. treaty to regulate the multibillion dollar global arms trade, and some diplomats and supporters blamed the United States for triggering the unraveling of the monthlong negotiating conference.

Hopes had been raised that agreement could be reached on a revised treaty text that closed some major loopholes by Friday's deadline for action.

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The U.N. General Assembly voted in December 2006 to work toward a treaty regulating the growing arms trade, with the U.S. casting a "no" vote. In October 2009, the Obama administration reversed the Bush administration's position and supported an assembly resolution to hold four preparatory meetings and a four-week U.N. conference in 2012 to draft an arms trade treaty.

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Ambassador Roberto Garcia Moritan, the conference chairman, said treaty supporters knew "this was going to be difficult to achieve" and there were some delegations that didn't like the draft though "the overwhelming majority in the room did."

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Despite the failure to reach agreement, Moritan predicted that "we certainly are going to have a treaty in 2012."

He said there are several options for moving forward in the General Assembly which will be considered over the summer, before the world body's new session begins in September.

The estimated $60 billion international arms trade is unregulated, though the U.S. and other countries have their own rules

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...Thursday, a bipartisan group of 51 senators threatened to oppose the treaty if it falls short in protecting Americans' constitutional right to bear arms. In a letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the senators expressed serious concerns with the draft treaty that has circulated at the United Nations, saying that it signals an expansion of gun control that would be unacceptable.

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1 posted on 07/27/2012 6:01:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The U. N. needs to be U.N.Done!


2 posted on 07/27/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Red Steel
supporters blamed the United States for triggering the unraveling of the monthlong negotiating conference.

YES!

3 posted on 07/27/2012 6:23:43 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: Red Steel

Don’t let your guard down. They’ll try again and again and again. They won’t stop until you are unarmed or they are dead.


4 posted on 07/27/2012 6:30:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Red Steel; philman_36; Sal
That was too easy.

I can't help but think they want us to go to sleep while they cram something through during the lame duck session and after the election.

5 posted on 07/27/2012 6:48:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Red Steel

Obama probably just told them the same thing he told the Ruskies. “Wait until I’m re-elected....”


6 posted on 07/27/2012 6:49:18 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: Carry_Okie

Obama seeing his campaign floundering in the latest polls kicked this tin can down the street.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 6:50:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Obama seeing his campaign floundering in the latest polls kicked this tin can down the street.

A dead snake can still bite.

8 posted on 07/27/2012 6:53:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie; Red Steel; Sal
I can't help but think they want us to go to sleep while they cram something through during the lame duck session and after the election.

For the "Oh, BTW, did you know that" basket...

@ CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE Page 5402, right column

SA 2575. Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. REED, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. SCHUMER, and Mrs. FEINSTEIN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 3414, to enhance the security and resiliency of the cyber and communications infrastructure of the United States; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following
SEC. ll. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) DEFINITION.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:
‘‘(30) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—
‘‘(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but
‘‘(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’’.
(b) PROHIBITIONS.—Section 922 of such title is amended by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
‘‘(v)(1)(A)(i) Except as provided in clause
(ii), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

It continues on Page 5403.

How does imposing this "prohibition" in any way "enhance the security and resiliency of the cyber and communications infrastructure of the United States"?

9 posted on 07/27/2012 7:07:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel; neverdem; philman_36; Sal; Joe Brower
Think about it. The is the same State Department that cooked up Fast & Furious. They broke every gun law and international law in the book. Lives were lost. They didn't care. They had one objective and this treaty was it.

Do you really mean to tell me, that this same State Department was negotiating terms on behalf of protecting gun ownership that caused this treaty to collapse? Really?

I just don't believe it.

From the article:

"This was stunning cowardice by the Obama administration, which at the last minute did an about-face and scuttled progress toward a global arms treaty, just as it reached the finish line," said Suzanne Nossel, executive director of Amnesty International USA. "It's a staggering abdication of leadership by the world's largest exporter of conventional weapons to pull the plug on the talks just as they were nearing an historic breakthrough."

They know it would spell death in keeping the Senate. People would vote against Democrats just on the threat of its pending ratification.

A Western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, also blamed the U.S., saying "they derailed the process," adding that nothing will happen to revive negotiations until after the U.S. presidential election in November.

OK, so we know two things. They know everybody will hate what they were pushing for and they've decided to "try again" after the election. Meanwhile, the Obama Administration can bandy the outrageous lie that they were trying to protect the Second Amendment.

As far as I am concerned, this means that the treaty language is SO bad that they want to cram it through unseen. Harry Reid is a master of such shenanigans. We should be passing that draft around like it is still immediately pending.

This is a sucker play. IT IS NOT "DEAD." That the media are calling it that is just another bad indication.

10 posted on 07/27/2012 7:07:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
...during the lame duck session...
They can't do anything if it isn't signed. I'm sure that an effort to strap something on together for signing, while attention is diverted, might be attempted for such a session.

...and after the election.
We'll just have to wait and see on that.

11 posted on 07/27/2012 7:14:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
We'll just have to wait and see on that.

No. This is the time to put the infrastructure in place to assure that this thing does not slip through. I don't know what that looks like in the Senate, but a serious discussion with a Senator about the depth of intrigue re treaties in the past should convince that person that this danger is no joke.

12 posted on 07/27/2012 7:18:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie; Red Steel; neverdem; Sal; Joe Brower
Do you really mean to tell me, that this same State Department was negotiating terms on behalf of protecting gun ownership that caused this treaty to collapse? Really?

I'm not telling you that. I'm not even inferring that.
This is the same old "disarm them all" BS that has been in the works for decades. It just got a temporary hitch in the giddy-up. I'm not getting fooled, but I'm happy at any setbacks.

You need to read my comments on the other thread that I pinged you to.

This is a sucker play. IT IS NOT "DEAD."
It's only a sucker play if you fall for it.
And we all know that it'll get picked up again. You first win battles to win the war. The war is far from over and this is one battle we won.

Take a minute out to revel and enjoy it.

13 posted on 07/27/2012 7:39:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
It just got a temporary hitch in the giddy-up.

It's a little more than a hitch, I believe.

In fact, I think a number of someones got majorly bitch-slapped, yet again.

"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results." ― Albert Einstein

14 posted on 07/27/2012 7:45:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Carry_Okie; Sal
This is the time to put the infrastructure in place to assure that this thing does not slip through.
Testy much?

Man, we don't even know what the count is going to be in the Senate until after the election.
People that aren't up for reelection this round are being informed that "We the People" are informed and we aren't going to stand for this and they will be expected to keep watch on this for the duration of their term of office.
And there are people who know other people who also know people who know other people who are working on this as well.

IMO as much as can be done at this time is being done. We have to wait till the election to see how things unfold. If a move is made before then it will be addressed.
If an attempt to "go under the radar" is tried they better fly very close to the ground.

15 posted on 07/27/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
I'm not telling you that. I'm not even inferring that.

Give me a break will you? READ the post. It was to Red Steel. You were copied.

You need to read my comments on the other thread that I pinged you to.

I did, so no, I don't. You need to stop being so defensive.

Take a minute out to revel and enjoy it.

No. I'm going to take that minute to gain as much ground as I can while they think I'm "reveling" in it.

16 posted on 07/27/2012 7:53:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Talisker
It's a little more than a hitch, I believe.
LOL Read @#18 and 19. Trying to use some finesse here.

I'm loving it!
I'm not forgetting about it.

17 posted on 07/27/2012 7:55:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Carry_Okie
You need to stop being so defensive.
You need to follow your own advice.
18 posted on 07/27/2012 7:58:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Man, we don't even know what the count is going to be in the Senate until after the election.

The count between now and January 20 will be what it is now.

People that aren't up for reelection this round are being informed that "We the People" are informed and we aren't going to stand for this and they will be expected to keep watch on this for the duration of their term of office.

With all the FReepers I see saying that it takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty, I'll bet they're saying 'We can do anything we want because they're all a bunch of dopes.'

IMO as much as can be done at this time is being done.

No. We should be bringing DeMint up to speed on the history and get his people looking into Reid's history to learn what kind of parliamentary games he's pulled in Nevada, which I have heard are legendary.

We have to wait till the election to see how things unfold. If a move is made before then it will be addressed.

NO. To play defense in a case where the whole thing can go down in fifteen minutes is a losing game.

If an attempt to "go under the radar" is tried they better fly very close to the ground.

And you think this beyond them... Why?

19 posted on 07/27/2012 7:59:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
You were copied.

Yeah, I know.

20 posted on 07/27/2012 8:00:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
You need to follow your own advice.

It wasn't me that reacted to a comment that was obviously addressed to someone else.

21 posted on 07/27/2012 8:02:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
The count between now and January 20 will be what it is now.
Well "DUH!"

With all the FReepers I see saying that it takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty, I'll bet they're saying 'We can do anything we want because they're all a bunch of dopes.'
And yet you, me and a growing number of FReepers are informing them that they're wrong.
I'm a crass ass, as you know, so I'm not exactly suited for that and yet I still do it and so do you! I don't care how I come across as long as I get the information out.

We should be bringing DeMint up to speed on the history and get his people looking into Reid's history to learn what kind of parliamentary games he's pulled in Nevada, which I have heard are legendary.
Get a grip! demint arms treaty Specifically...DeMint Plans to Stall Arms Treaty December 15, 2010

“Senator DeMint has made it clear that he’s going to use every tool available to stop it from being rammed through during the lame-duck session,” said Wesley Denton, a spokesman for Mr. DeMint. “The Senate needs to have a full debate next Congress over the weaknesses of this treaty that could seriously limit America’s missile defenses that protect our nation and our allies.” He's seems informed to me. That's back in 2010.
And if you think he's ill informed of Reid's tactics...well, you aren't as astute as I thought you were.

And you think this beyond them... Why?
I've never said it was beyond them. It's exactly what I expect them to do. It's what they always do! They're never above board.

But until they do...happy dance!

22 posted on 07/27/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Carry_Okie
It wasn't me that reacted to a comment that was obviously addressed to someone else.
Anyone can respond to any comment no matter who it's addressed to. You know this.
You've responded to many a comment that was never addressed to you!
Furthermore, I was in the "To" field, wasn't I?

What the hell is wrong with you lately? I've @admitted my frustration with this whole situation so what's going on with you?
It's like you're going out of your way to be antagonistic towards me lately.

23 posted on 07/27/2012 8:45:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

24 posted on 07/28/2012 6:28:35 AM PDT by khelus
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