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Food Report: One Harvest Away from a Catastrophe
Financial Sense ^ | 07/27/2012 | By Richard Mills

Posted on 07/28/2012 8:10:15 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Because of the worst drought since 1988 the U.S. Department of Agriculture declared a federal disaster area in almost one-third of all the counties in the United States - more than 1,300 counties covering 29 states, the largest disaster declaration ever made by the USDA. Only in the 1930s and 1950s has a drought covered more land.

The United States Drought Monitor shows 88 percent of corn, and 87 percent of soybean crops are in drought-stricken regions.

This map show the counties affected:

“We just had a crop report today, which indicated a significant reduction in corn production as well as bean production, lower forecast for wheat, soybean, soybean oil, soybean meal, and corn, lower forecast for milk, beef, pork, broilers, and turkey. And it's obvious that weather is having an impact on the estimates of crops. Despite the fact that we have more acreage planted this year, we still are looking at significant reductions, and despite the fact that we may even with the corn estimates, as they have been reduced, would still have the third largest crop of corn in our history, nearly 13 billion bushels, and a very large soybean crop. We need to be cognizant of the fact that drought and weather conditions have really impacted and affected producers around the country.” Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack

The redder the area, the worst the drought.

Corn, the biggest ingredient in livestock feed, is a mega-crop, there are more than 4,200 different uses for corn products;

Adhesives, aluminum, aspirin, clothing starch, cosmetics, cough syrup, dry cell batteries, envelopes, fiberglass insulation, gelatin capsules, ink, insecticides, paint, penicillin, powders, rugs and carpets, stamps, sweetener’s, talcum, toothpaste, wallpaper, vitamins, processed and fast foods and of course as fuel - ethanol.

Extreme heat and drought conditions hit the Midwest just as the corn crop was suppose to pollinate - the key yield determining growth phase for corn. Crop ratings have fallen to their lowest level in 24 years - the most recent estimate pegged the crop as just thirty-one percent of the U.S. corn crop in good or excellent condition as of July 15, the least for the date since 1988.

Cattle Country

The U.S. beef herd has shrunk to its smallest since 1956.

"Feed costs account for about 40 to 50 percent of total costs of production, and when a rancher or poultry producer or dairy producer is faced with higher feed costs it's less profitable to produce that animal. Often times you will see animals brought to market before they reach full weight. In dire cases, producers will liquidate the entire herd and don't expand as much as they might have." Joseph Glauber, chief economist at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The drought in the Midwest comes on the heels of one last year in the southern Plains, the heart of Texas cattle country - the 11 months through August 2011 were the driest since at least 1895 in Texas.

A record 54 percent of pasture and rangeland is in poor or very poor condition. The drought has destroyed a lot of pasture, and the lack of rain has hit hay and alfalfa production hard. Ranchers normally start feeding their animals hay in December or January (as cold temperatures kill the grass) and stop in late spring as grass becomes available in pastures.

This year many ranchers haven’t stopped feeding hay because what grass was in their pastures withered.

Ranchers are again selling off part of their herd. In the week ending June 30, 52,700 cows were slaughtered. That’s a three percent rise higher, year over year, then during the peak of the Plains drought. Farms are sending young cattle to feedlots earlier than normal and slaughtering more beef cows because pastures have no grass and hay prices have more than doubled.

Corn prices are up so much feedlot margins are drastically reduced or non-existent, feedlots buy year-old animals that weigh 500 to 800 pounds - these young animals are called feeders. They are fattened on corn for four or five months until they weigh around 1,200 pounds, then they are sold to meatpackers.

Fewer cows today means fewer beef and *dairy cattle tomorrow.

Economic Outlook Overview: U.S. Beef/Cattle Industry, Kansas State University

Short term meat prices might drop because of the extra cattle (and hogs and **chickens) going into the meat market. Unfortunately when those cattle should have been sold there'll be no cattle to sell, so meat prices will go up, a lot, and stay that way for a considerable time, until the herds are rebuilt.

*Expect dairy prices to skyrocket up, not only because part of the herd is being sold off but, if feed is of poor quality dairy production goes down, if there’s less milk given per cow and its of lower quality it will, for example, take more milk to make the same amount of cheese as from higher quality milk.

** Poultry meat and eggs will see the earliest price increases since these shorter lived birds are raised almost entirely on corn.

Global Food Prices

The good news – the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization’s (FAO) indices show that in June global food prices were down by 13 percent from their June 2011 peak and prices for cereals by 14.7 percent.

According to the FAO, global cereal output rose to 2.3 billion tonnes in 2011/12, a record.

The bad news - food prices have more than doubled since 2003/4. The FAO estimates that since 2004, world food prices, on average, have climbed 240% as average incomes have declined.

“The forecast for world cereal production has been lowered from last month, which is likely to result in a smaller build-up of world inventories by the end of seasons in 2013 than previously anticipated.

FAO’s latest forecast for world cerealproduction in 2012 stands at 2,396 million tonnes, a record level and 2 percent up from the previous high of last year, but as much as 23 million tonnes less than reported in June. While the bulk of the increase in cereal production from last year is still expected to originate from a significant expansion in maize production in the United States, the deteriorating crop conditions due to the continuing dryness and above-average temperatures in much of the major growing regions of the country have dampened this outlook.” United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization

Three main factors are seen as driving prices higher:

Weather
Higher demand
Crops diverted to biofuels

Global food prices remain high, and only 6% below their February 2011 historical peak.” World Bank

Domestic prices remain high in many parts of the world, with the magnitude of increases typically exceeding price declines across countries. If the current production forecasts for 2012/13 do not materialize, global food prices could reach higher levels, underscoring the need to remain vigilant and improve the monitoring of early signals of global and regional crises.” Food Price Watch, World Bank report April 2012.

Frosts early in the year are responsible for the higher fruit and vegetable costs experienced by consumers.

Social Unrest

“Social unrest may reflect a variety of factors such as poverty, unemployment, and social injustice. Despite the many possible contributing factors, the timing of violent protests in North Africa and the Middle East in 2011 as well as earlier riots in 2008 coincides with large peaks in global food prices.” M. Lagi, K.Z. Bertrand and Y. Bar-Yam, "The Food Crises and Political Instability in North Africa and the Middle East" New England Complex Systems Institute


worldbank.org


soberlook.com

The increase in the price of food is the straw that breaks the camel’s back - the real cause of angst is the rising cost of living being felt in developing areas of the world. Many of these people, already living in poverty, and those on poverties edges, are far less capable of absorbing the increased costs of what is really just basic survival for themselves and their families. Yet this is the first group of people who are impacted by the coming unstoppable waves of inflation and real shortages - whether localized or temporary because of supply chain breakages or poor harvests.

Hundreds of millions of marginalized people, people perhaps counted by the billions, across all nations, will feel the extreme pinch of increased prices, across all asset classes, on their household budgets. But especially so in what those people need the most – water, food and clothing – the bare essentials necessary for survival.

The relief we’ve recently experienced from this food, or rather from this higher cost of survival driven social unrest - is very temporary, a calm before the storm. A shortage of fresh clean water for irrigation and drinking, fragile and easily disrupted food supply chains and extremely expensive (or non-existent) food, clothing and energy basics for emerging and developing nations is going to be the coming norm. And it’s going to cause chaos.

A global currency race to worthless, inefficient supply chains, intensified weather phenomena and a race to secure dwindling supplies of commodities by developed economies (and their richer inhabitants) all mean the very basics of human survival will become increasingly scarce for the poorer people in the developing world.

Conclusion

“World agricultural markets have become so finely balanced between supply and demand that local disruptions can have a major impact on the global prices of the affected commodities and then reverberate throughout the entire food chain.” HSBC report

The US is the world’s largest producer of corn, soybeans, and wheat, accounting for one in every three tons of the grains traded globally - the US dominates the global corn market but the government has cut its projected corn harvest to the lowest yield since 2003 and Doan Advisory Services said the drought may lead to the smallest corn harvest since 2006.

Living on the edge - US grain production filled critical shortages in world supply three times in the last five years:

2007-08 drought hit Australian wheat
2009 drought hit Argentine soybeans
2010 drought hit Russian wheat

We’re one poor harvest away from a food supply catastrophe and a repeat of the food shortages that caused the Arab Spring. This fact should be on everyone’s radar screen. Is it on yours?

If not, maybe it should be.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: drought; foodprices; foodsupply

1 posted on 07/28/2012 8:10:20 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Let’s stop using our food supply for fuel.

End ethanol subsidies now.


2 posted on 07/28/2012 8:15:53 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: DeaconBenjamin

So this has happened (even worse) at least twice before and we survived.


3 posted on 07/28/2012 8:22:47 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Stop making fuel out of food.

Oh Yeah!!!

I have been told by smart people that the corn they use for ethanol production isnot the same corn usd for food.
That’s BS Corn is corn.
Perhaps the corn used in Ethanol production is lower quality—I really do not know,but even low quality corn can be used for food in a pinch,and we are in a pinch.
Feed it to the chickens if we have to,but stop using it for fuel.
It only destroys your automobile sooner, cuts down on your gas mileage, and eats up every piece of rubber it touch’s.


4 posted on 07/28/2012 8:24:28 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Le Chien Rouge

“End ethanol subsidies now.”

Just get the ag-state Republicans on board and it may be possible - but will that ever happen?


5 posted on 07/28/2012 8:25:33 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Please explain ethanol subsidies.


6 posted on 07/28/2012 8:26:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

All I want to know is just exactly how does this affect the chicken and waffles industry?


7 posted on 07/28/2012 8:26:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“I am a commodities broker and I’m telling you the sky is falling. Invest your life savings with me and you’ll become filthy rich!”


8 posted on 07/28/2012 8:33:18 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Quick, enact martial law because only the government expanding their power can save us now.

(If I really need a /sarc tag...)


9 posted on 07/28/2012 8:38:17 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

With these dry conditions what are the chances that much of the corn will be contaminated with aflatoxin?

“Aflatoxin is a term generally used to refer to a group of extremely toxic chemicals produced by two molds, Aspergillus flavus and Aspergillus parasiticus. The toxins can be produced when these molds attack and grow on certain plants and plant products. In the United States, aflatoxin production occurs when Aspergillus flavus and Aspergillus parasiticus attack peanuts, cottonseed, white and yellow corn and certain nuts. Most of the aflatoxin problems on corn in the United States are caused by Aspergillus flavus, and the most potent toxin produced by this mold is called aflatoxin B1 . Drought, extreme heat and corn ear injury from insect feeding stress the corn and create an environment favorable to these molds and to aflatoxin production.

Aflatoxin poses a low level threat to the human food supply in the United States because existing regulations and testing by federal agencies and industry exclude contaminated products from the food chain. Generally, these programs have been successful in protecting U.S. consumers from aflatoxin contaminated food.”

http://aes.missouri.edu/delta/croppest/aflacorn.stm


10 posted on 07/28/2012 8:40:01 AM PDT by tiki
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To: jjotto

Ethanol subsidies bring into production many acrea of what would otherwise be marginal or very low productivity land, and mostly is the land that farmers are paid a subsidy on which NOT to grow crops or pasture livestock. All the ingredients necessary to create a huge new Dust Bowl if drought conditions prevail in a goodly portion of the US.

Further, a rather stiff tariff is imposed on the ethanol that Brazil would be all too happy to export, and which they can produce for considerably less per unit than can the US sources. Brazilian ethanol is produced from excess sugar, a comparatively simple process compared to the growing, harvesting, processing of corn into a medium to convert into alcohol (ethanol), and the distillation afterword. The only point at which the US production of ethanol has any advantage is in transportation costs, and those are surprisingly high in this country, as ethanol does not move well through pipelines, but must be transported either by rail cars or truck transport.

Etrhanol does not store well, as it is prone to corroding the storage vessels, it evaporates quickly, and it tends to absorb water from the atmosphere, diluting its original properties.

This is not to say that ethanol subsidies make the least bit of sense.


11 posted on 07/28/2012 8:43:15 AM PDT by alloysteel (Voter suppression is needed now more than ever. Only, whom shall be suppressed?)
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To: alloysteel

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/business/energy-environment/after-three-decades-federal-tax-credit-for-ethanol-expires.html

Published: January 1, 2012

WASHINGTON — A federal tax credit for ethanol expired on Saturday, ending an era in which the federal government provided more than $20 billion in subsidies for use of the product...

...“We may be the only industry in U.S. history that voluntarily let a subsidy expire,” said Matthew A. Hartwig, a spokesman for the Renewable Fuels Association, a trade group for ethanol producers...


12 posted on 07/28/2012 8:51:41 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DeaconBenjamin
...and despite the fact that we may even with the corn estimates, as they have been reduced, would still have the third largest crop of corn in our history, nearly 13 billion bushels, and a very large soybean crop.

Kind of a jumble but is Vilsack saying that despite the drought this is expected to be the third largest corn crop in US history?

13 posted on 07/28/2012 9:00:51 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: DeaconBenjamin
We're all "food insecure" now.

Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme.

14 posted on 07/28/2012 9:26:25 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: jjotto
WASHINGTON — A federal tax credit for ethanol expired on Saturday, ending an era in which the federal government provided more than $20 billion in subsidies for use of the product...

The subsidy expired on Jan 1. The requirement that gas be 10% ethanol remained. The net effect was a rise in gas prices.

15 posted on 07/28/2012 9:38:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

But what about all the cheap ethanol the South Americans are eager to export to us?


16 posted on 07/28/2012 9:42:06 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Yardstick

17 posted on 07/28/2012 9:45:53 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Except that the ethanol supplies a lower cost and better quality feed to the ranchers and cattle farmers. Not that it matters, many plants are down now, and most will be by the fall.

If you like beef or pork, get a freezer and stock up now. Better yet, buy from a local farmer and cut out the middle man. Because of the mad way we have built up the meat supply system, we will have shortages. All the big cattle lots can't afford to feed the cows, and are not breeding the herd. Pork farmers will be hard hit, as they can't use the feed from corn plants, and pretty much use corn and soybeans (beans are gone in many places. Just gone).

The big city folks don't realize, and don't care yet, just how fragile our food system is.

18 posted on 07/28/2012 9:48:30 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: jjotto

Did you read #11 from alloysteel? “Further, a rather stiff tariff is imposed on the ethanol that Brazil would be all too happy to export, and which they can produce for considerably less per unit than can the US sources. “


19 posted on 07/28/2012 9:52:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: jjotto
But what about all the cheap ethanol the South Americans are eager to export to us?

It doesn't qualify. By law our ethanol has to be made from corn (Thanks for nothing Congress!). Even though other more efficient, less expensive sources are available.

20 posted on 07/28/2012 9:59:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
By law our ethanol has to be made from corn (Thanks for nothing Congress!)

Please share a source.

21 posted on 07/28/2012 10:01:27 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The Soviet Union had bad weather for 70+ years. This reminds me of this...

Getting people ready for the food inflation next year when all the funny money hits.


22 posted on 07/28/2012 10:01:46 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: PapaBear3625

Did you read #12? Ethanol tariffs have expired.

Besides, the question is tongue-in-cheek. The only real use of ethanol in fuel while cheap petroleum is available is as an oxygenate.

When gasoline gets expensive enough, the market will provide alternative fuels.


23 posted on 07/28/2012 10:05:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: desertfreedom765

Stock up on plenty of pasta - “the other white meat”.


24 posted on 07/28/2012 10:07:05 AM PDT by alloysteel (Voter suppression is needed now more than ever. Only, whom shall be suppressed?)
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To: jjotto

Where do you see that?


25 posted on 07/28/2012 10:16:09 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: Yardstick
Kind of a jumble but is Vilsack saying that despite the drought this is expected to be the third largest corn crop in US history?

Modern farming methods allow for more crops to be produced per acre.

26 posted on 07/28/2012 10:20:43 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: jjotto

This might be of interest: http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/8563/billion-gallons-u-s-ethanol-exported-brazil-top-destination


27 posted on 07/28/2012 10:23:29 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Wow looks like another possible tragedy for Obama to exploit.

I can almost see him licking his lips and wringing his hands now.


28 posted on 07/28/2012 10:35:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Western Phil

Good find. I was aware that Brazilian ethanol supplies have been tight. Any sugar source is a crop like any other, suffering from vagaries of weather and markets.

Agriculture subsidies of all kinds are understandable given justifiable fears of actual food shortages. Maybe not right, but understandable.


29 posted on 07/28/2012 10:38:16 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Did you read #12? Ethanol tariffs have expired.

You did not say that in your posting. I had to go to the linked article.

30 posted on 07/28/2012 10:45:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Venturer
" have been told by smart people that the corn they use for ethanol production isnot the same corn usd for food. That’s BS Corn is corn."

They're right and you're wrong. There are many varieties of corn, optimized for different uses. Corn for "corn on the cob" (aka "sweet corn") is not the same as the corn used for cattle feed, which not the same as corn used in (for instance) tortillas, or canning, or........on and on. And that is before the geneticists and "gene-splicing" got into the act.

Look up "maize" on Wikipedia

31 posted on 07/28/2012 10:53:35 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: jjotto

Is it time to introduce Compressed Natural Gas as a vehicle fuel yet? CNG has the advantage of being just about the cleanest burning fuel out there, it is widely available with new supplies coming on line all the time, and when adequate safeguards are in place and maintained, it is probably almost as safe as Diesel fuel.

Much greater care while refueling is essential, because even the smallest leak has the potential of becoming a blowtorch, and in the event of a rupture, the least spark can create a lethal fireball that can flatten city blocks and cause a very intense firestorm that approaches a high explosive or small nuke.

Cruel fact in conjunction with an atmosphere that is 20% oxygen, one of the most destructive chemical elements in the Universe (only fluorine is more reactive, and it is NEVER found in a free state.)


32 posted on 07/28/2012 10:57:23 AM PDT by alloysteel (Voter suppression is needed now more than ever. Only, whom shall be suppressed?)
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To: Wonder Warthog

You see there? Another man smarter than I who says we cannot eat corn used for Ethanol production. No matter how hungry we are.


33 posted on 07/28/2012 10:59:33 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: alloysteel

CNG seems a good idea. Are you arguing for a government program?

Oh yeah, there will shortly be a string of posts arguing that only 195os technology is reasonable. hehe


34 posted on 07/28/2012 11:02:32 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Please share a source.

Can't find one. I know I've read it but now I see a percentage is now cellulosic based which isn't highly regarded. I stand corrected (even though I am sitting). I guess I'll retract.

35 posted on 07/28/2012 11:03:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Venturer
“I have been told by smart people that the corn they use for ethanol production isnot the same corn usd for food.
That’s BS Corn is corn.”

This is pretty basic; no offense, but I am always amazed at the lack of knowledge about agriculture!

Corn that people eat directly (lets call it sweet corn); corn on the cob, canned corn, etc; is a TINY amount of acreage and is a totally different (family) type of corn. Sweet corn production really has no relationship to field corn. Other than looking kind of the same (it is shorter).

Field corn is the mast majority of corn grown in the US and the world and is what goes into ethanol production. I suppose it could be eaten fresh (on the cob) but it wouldn't have much taste. It matures and fills the kernal and then dents and dries down so it can be harvested with a combine. The cobs and husks are left in the field.
Field corn can go to a ethanol plant; or be run through a feed mill. A feed mill would grind it kind of like corn meal. Then mineral and vitamins would be added as well as a protein supplement (most often soybean meal) Soybean meal is produced after the oil is extracted from soybeans, and the soybeans are ground to the proper consistency. The mixture is different depending on what animals you are feeding.
Cattle and dairy cows would also be getting a roughage added (hay or some other fibrous material)

When the corn is run through an ethanol plant; there is a substantial part of the nutrients left called dried distillers grains (DDG). DDG is a high quality feed that works well in livestock production. The DDG are high in protein and can partially substitute for soybean meal.

But a percentage of the kernel is consumed for the ethanol. That percentage of the kernel would have made good livestock feed if it had been fed directly to livestock (cattle, chickens (eggs and meat), pigs or dairy).

I should know the numbers on that; but I don't have it in front of me.

So bottom line line is that ethanol production probably isn't the best thing for us to be doing. But it is not as bad a thing as some people say it is. It is also not as good a thing as some say!

I say get rid of any governmental incentives to use it and let the market place decide.

36 posted on 07/28/2012 11:06:15 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Yep! Drill here, drill now and stop burning corn and other food.


37 posted on 07/28/2012 11:08:36 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: jjotto

Like Ann Barnhardt?

She has been ringing the alarm bell for a long time. Totally closed her brokerage business because she was/is convinced that the entire commodities trading market is going to collapse. Because of internal fraud.

She has for over a year advised AG producers to hold physical possession of their production rather than hedging with anyone.


38 posted on 07/28/2012 11:08:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: jjotto

Your post:

Please explain ethanol subsidies.

Your tagline:

Ya could look it up!

ROFLMAO


39 posted on 07/28/2012 11:10:30 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

DeaconBenjamin = Parson Malthus


40 posted on 07/28/2012 11:10:42 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Someone noticed!

Trick question. There is no specific ethanol subsidy.


41 posted on 07/28/2012 11:18:26 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: tiki

Also the corn stalks themselves can be dangerous with

High levels of fertilizer.Dangerous to roll and feed cows

It is a disaster in slo mo.


42 posted on 07/28/2012 11:29:07 AM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Texas Fossil

That’s a strong accusation.


43 posted on 07/28/2012 12:16:38 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I agree with most of the article you posted. No doubt the affect suggested will happen eventually.

But the sky is not falling, yet.

It is easy to be negative and that is not what should be felt here in the US.

This is truly not in our hands. This will play out as God plans.

Should we be concerned? Yes. But man’s vision of the future is seen through a glass darkly.


44 posted on 07/28/2012 12:24:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Field corn is the mast majority of corn grown in the US and the world and is what goes into ethanol production. I suppose it could be eaten fresh (on the cob) but it wouldn't have much taste. It matures and fills the kernal and then dents and dries down so it can be harvested with a combine. The cobs and husks are left in the field

Is that what some people call "Shell corn"?

45 posted on 07/28/2012 12:24:58 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (The Google thing is in the yard again. Sniffed the laundry, now it's looking in the septic tank.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Not really familiar with that term; I guess shelled corn might be a term.
Corn is dry; it is stored at around 15% moisture. Harvested as dry as possible, then is normally dried with LP or natural gas fired dryers immediately after harvest.

If you see dry ears sold in grocery stores for squirrels to eat; that is field corn. The same corn farmers harvest; but farmers would run it through a combine in the field and separate the corn from the cob.

46 posted on 07/28/2012 1:20:33 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
So bottom line line is that ethanol production probably isn't the best thing for us to be doing. But it is not as bad a thing as some people say it is. It is also not as good a thing as some say!

It would be best to let the market decide. I understand that the kind of corn that's planted is not what people would like to eat themselves. Then again, if there's less of a market for it, then farmers would plant something else.

The big thing that concerns me is that the price of food looks like it will go up. This will not be a crisis for me personally -- if the price of food doubled, we would wind up eating less steak and more chicken, but we would get by. The people in the Third World, however, who barely make enough to buy even cheap food, would be in deep trouble.

47 posted on 07/28/2012 2:20:17 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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"You see there? Another man smarter than I who says we cannot eat corn used for Ethanol production. No matter how hungry we are."

Never said that. You can eat a lot of things in an emergency, but in normal commerce, corn used for ethanol is NOT normally used as food for humans, except indirectly (the non-carb fraction left after ethanol is made is excellent livestock feed, and the products of THAT are quite tasty).

48 posted on 07/28/2012 4:11:22 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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Thanks..I had to ask, and am a little ashamed of the reason. I grew up around dairy farms. When we were kids we stole some big beautiful ears from a farmer's field.

They would NOT cook, and you could not chew the stuff. So it must have been for the cows.

49 posted on 07/28/2012 5:45:41 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (The Google thing is in the yard again. Sniffed the laundry, now it's looking in the septic tank.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

thanks for the very informative post!


50 posted on 07/29/2012 7:20:09 AM PDT by gibsosa
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