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US sees Israel, tight Mideast ally, as spy threat
http://hosted.ap.org ^ | July 28, 2012 | ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO

Posted on 07/28/2012 3:50:06 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

Edited on 07/28/2012 3:54:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The CIA station chief opened the locked box containing the sensitive equipment he used from his home in Tel Aviv, Israel, to communicate with CIA headquarters in Virginia, only to find that someone had tampered with it. He sent word to his superiors about the break-in.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: israel; jonathanpollard; judeophobes; judeophobia; nutjobs; paulistinians; pollard; spying; ussliberty
The Jonathan Pollard case spoke volumes.
1 posted on 07/28/2012 3:50:22 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
Pollard was a hero! That information should have gone to Israel anyway. If Israel is spying more against the U.S. than usual, then, good for them! America is no longer a friendly nation under Barack Hussein Obama.

Obama's America pretends to be friendly to Israel and Israel pretends not to do spying against this hostile administration.

Quite a balance!


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2 posted on 07/28/2012 3:59:23 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: canuck_conservative

So does your comment.


3 posted on 07/28/2012 3:59:32 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: canuck_conservative

There is normal spying going on all the time. Then, there is the spying that goes with knowing that the USA is being led by a muslim president who would cut Israel’s throat if he could get away with it. Can you blame them for spying when you cannot trust your “ally?”


4 posted on 07/28/2012 4:00:14 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: canuck_conservative

With this administration, Israel is not exactly spying (allegedly) on an ally. More like seeing reality for what it is and protecting itself from the Muslim Brotherhood.


5 posted on 07/28/2012 4:00:58 PM PDT by Track9
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To: canuck_conservative

May G-d bless Jonathan Pollard, a good American, a courageous Jew.


6 posted on 07/28/2012 4:03:40 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: canuck_conservative

I’ll probably get flamed for this but here goes.

Speaking as a Canadian, I really don’t understand the American obsession with Israel. I know it’s considered axiomatic that Israel’s and America’s interests coincide, but given their different geopolitical contexts this cannot possibly be the case. There’s a difference between being a good ally and putting another country’s interests ahead of your own.

Just my 2 cents. Flame away.


7 posted on 07/28/2012 4:05:05 PM PDT by FreeFromWhat
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To: Tzfat; Stepan12

Sorry guys, but I don’t put the interests of Israel over that of the United States. Not for a second. Pollard should have been executed for the traitor he is, and taxpayer dollars sent to our “friend” Israel should come to s screeching halt.


8 posted on 07/28/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: FreeFromWhat
As a Catholic the interest starts with Jesus. It continues with the re birth of the nation out of nowhere just as the Bible said it would. It continues with the excavations of sites being right where they are suppose to be as written in the Bible, and I would be fooling no one to say I wasn't even remotely interested in the current events wondering if I will be around for God's conclusion of this grand creation.

I could care less about Pollard, He should stay where He is, They the govt of Israel attacked and almost sunk our ship the liberty, so I am not at all surprised to read that they are sneaking into our CIA offices and breaking into safes. Why would you be surprised? My personal interest is getting to Heaven at the end of this life. Alot of God's interest was in that area, at least in the beginning and it is written will be in the end. The government or Jewish leaders at the time of Jesus were not sterling examples of men and neither so it seems are the current leaders.

10 posted on 07/28/2012 4:28:27 PM PDT by reefdiver (Shoeless John Roberts, An American Tragedy.)
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To: Hacksaw
"Sorry guys, but I don’t put the interests of Israel over that of the United States. Not for a second. Pollard should have been executed for the traitor he is, and taxpayer dollars sent to our “friend” Israel should come to s screeching halt.

I'm a huge supporter of Israel, but they're not our friends when they do this stuff to us, and we should, for lack of a better word, punish them appropriately. We need to tell them straight up "Look, we love you guys, but if you do this to us again, you're on your own. No money, no weapons, no diplomatic backing in the UN"

You do not screw your friends. And I hate to admit it, but as an American, and even more as a conservative, when it comes to Israel, sometimes I feel like the girl that's found out her boyfriend has been sleeping with my friends and stealing my stuff. Being an American conservative in relation to Israel is kind of like battered wife syndrome.
11 posted on 07/28/2012 4:29:58 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: canuck_conservative

Pollard did receive payment.

What most people don’t know and many try to suppress is that he also spied on behalf of PAKISTAN.

Now —tell me how that’s being, “for Israel”.


12 posted on 07/28/2012 4:35:03 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Stepan12
"If Israel is spying more against the U.S. than usual, then, good for them! America is no longer a friendly nation under Barack Hussein Obama."

Amen to that. We've proved (and American jews proved in in the last election) that no one here seems to give a damn what happens to that ballsy little country.

The Kenyan must go.

13 posted on 07/28/2012 4:35:51 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: canuck_conservative

A friend of mine who worked in counter-intelligence in the 1980s once told me that his group considered Israel almost as untrustworthy as the Soviets when it came to stealing U.S. military secrets.


14 posted on 07/28/2012 4:37:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: FreeFromWhat

Given Israel’s geographic position, she can in some ways be an ally that Canada, for example, by simple geography cannot.


15 posted on 07/28/2012 4:38:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: canuck_conservative

What convenient timing for this article to go to press the same day Romney touches down in israel.


16 posted on 07/28/2012 4:41:05 PM PDT by jz638
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To: FreeFromWhat
I'll explain it to you, and I'll be blunt about it: It's all tied to massive amounts of money for lobbying U.S. elected officials.

If you think I'm joking, just ask yourself why the U.S. is willing to p!ss away hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of dollars in a "War on Terror" to "promote democracy" all over the Middle East, yet somehow the radical Islamic monarchy in Saudi Arabia never seems to come up in the conversation. This is what happens when radical Arab Muslims from countries that have enormous trade surpluses with the U.S. figure out that they can lobby the U.S. government just as effectively as AIPAC has been doing for years.

17 posted on 07/28/2012 4:43:44 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: FreeFromWhat
I'll explain it to you, and I'll be blunt about it: It's all tied to massive amounts of money for lobbying U.S. elected officials.

If you think I'm joking, just ask yourself why the U.S. is willing to p!ss away hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives in a "War on Terror" to "promote democracy" all over the Middle East, yet somehow the radical Islamic monarchy in Saudi Arabia never seems to come up in the conversation. This is what happens when radical Arab Muslims from countries that have enormous trade surpluses with the U.S. figure out that they can lobby the U.S. government just as effectively as AIPAC has been doing for years.

18 posted on 07/28/2012 4:44:08 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: canuck_conservative

The “alliance” seems mostly one way. What does Israel do for the US that matches what the US has done for Israel?


19 posted on 07/28/2012 4:47:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Hacksaw

Garbage. Are you a religious person? Pollard is. He didn’t do anything for money. There was no loss to the US. Pollard is a good American, a godly Jew.


20 posted on 07/28/2012 4:47:39 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: FreeFromWhat
I really don’t understand the American obsession with Israel
<>br It's a Bible thing. We believe it (a least used to). Genesis 12:3
21 posted on 07/28/2012 4:50:10 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: canuck_conservative

China has everything but Obama’s Black American Express card, and we’re sweating what Israel knows?

I’ll bet Israel doesn’t have pictures of the inside of Obama’s rectum. China? Odds are at least 50/50...

How many times have folks here recently heard of Israel being referred to as an Ally, let alone a “Tight Middle-East Ally”? As others have said, I see Israel as an ally, but this administration sees it as big a pariah, as it sees our own nation to be.

Israel is on it’s own and it knows it. Furthermore, it knows who Obama actually does see as his ally, namely it’s most fervent enemies.

If Israel is spying, I wish it good luck against this bastard and his anti-Western fellow travelers.


22 posted on 07/28/2012 4:54:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Alberta's Child
This is what happens when radical Arab Muslims from countries that have enormous trade surpluses with the U.S. figure out that they can lobby the U.S. government just as effectively as AIPAC has been doing for years.

The various oil regimes have figured out they have more than enough money to buy all the political support they need.

23 posted on 07/28/2012 4:56:13 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Tzfat
Are you a religious person? Pollard is. He didn’t do anything for money. There was no loss to the US. Pollard is a good American, a godly Jew.

How gives a damn about his religion?

This guy was spying against the U.S., and is a GD liar and traitor.

24 posted on 07/28/2012 4:57:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tzfat

Who gives a damn about his religion?

This guy was spying against the U.S., and is a GD liar and traitor.


25 posted on 07/28/2012 4:58:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tzfat
May G-d bless Jonathan Pollard, a good American, a courageous Jew.

So everyone I've ever met in the US intelligence community and military thinks Pollard should have been shot.

You are aware that he attempted to sell information to countries other than Israel, don't you?

26 posted on 07/28/2012 5:03:12 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Tzfat
May G-d bless Jonathan Pollard, a good American, a courageous Jew.

So everyone I've ever met in the US intelligence community and military thinks Pollard should have been shot.

You are aware that he attempted to sell information to countries other than Israel, don't you?

27 posted on 07/28/2012 5:03:36 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Tzfat

“May G-d bless Jonathan Pollard...”

You don’t have to cover up “God” here. We’re all friends wishing the best in who we trust! n/s


28 posted on 07/28/2012 5:08:37 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: Strategerist
You are aware that he attempted to sell information to countries other than Israel, don't you?

I am aware of that, but it doesn't make any difference.

America is an independent sovereign country, which Pollard was spying against, which he denied and lied about, but subsequently was proven guilty by substantial evidence.

End of story.

Those coming in here calling this guy a hero, are full of cheat and likely would betray America just as Pollard did.

29 posted on 07/28/2012 5:11:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DoughtyOne
China has everything but Obama’s Black American Express card, and we’re sweating what Israel knows?

Considering the extensive military technology sales by Israel to China, what Israel knows is potentially what China knows, as well.

30 posted on 07/28/2012 5:24:57 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: canuck_conservative

I’m very pro-Israeli, but I have to say that the Americans have every right to treat Israel as a spy threat seeing as how they have been caught selling sensitive technology to China.
I don’t blame Israel at all in doing what it can to survive in a hostile world that seems to wish it would just shrivel up and die, but that doesn’t mean the US Gov’t should be naive enough to trust them implicitly...


31 posted on 07/28/2012 5:41:10 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Tzfat
Pollard is a good American

That's obviously not true. He's a traitor, and at best, he should be sent to Guantanamo and housed with the prisoners there.

The attitude of some on this thread, including you, suggests that security clearances for Jewish Americans (as opposed to Americans who happen to be Jewish) should be re-evaluated across the board.

32 posted on 07/28/2012 5:42:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Tzfat

Wrong. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law. The Jews are no more the Chosen of God. Christ’s love brought salvation to all and the Chosen are now all those in communion with him.


33 posted on 07/28/2012 6:06:15 PM PDT by Duke of Qin
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To: Strategerist

Extensive? Really? LOL


34 posted on 07/28/2012 6:13:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Stepan12

Our foreign policy which derives from how our intel is “non-thinking” always sees threats where the place is actually beneficial, and benefits where the place is not, and sometimes it does not even see it, because it is corrupt.

Again, we fail on language. We do the right things for the wrong reasons and the wrong things for the right reasons, or mentioning good reasons for it.

Ridiculous.


35 posted on 07/28/2012 6:34:22 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: DoughtyOne
Extensive? Really? LOL

Well, we finally took the Israelis behind the woodshed and got them to stop the most egregious stuff, apparently.

Try Googling "Israel Military Technology China."

36 posted on 07/28/2012 6:44:07 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Duke of Qin
The Jews are no more the Chosen of God.

Take it up with the King of the Universe.

23 The word of the L-RD came to Jeremiah: 24 “Have you not observed that these people are saying, ‘The L-RD has rejected the two clans that he chose’? Thus they have despised my people so that they are no longer a nation in their sight. 25 Thus says the L-RD: If I have not established my covenant with day and night and the fixed order of heaven and earth, 26 then I will reject the offspring of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his offspring to rule over the offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. bFor I will restore their fortunes and will have mercy on them.” Jeremiah 33:23-26
37 posted on 07/28/2012 7:06:04 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: cameraeye

Cover Him up? Never. That is why we treat His Name and any reference to Him the way we do. There are many ways to sanctify His Name - primarily by keeping His commandments - symbolic things like never placing a Bible on the floor, keeping His Name or references to Him from being erased are simply reminders to ourselves - those symbolic things aren’t for those who don’t understand them, they are for us. Just ignore it if you don’t like it.


38 posted on 07/28/2012 7:12:19 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Strategerist

I agree that Israel has been doing some of this. It was the word extensive that perked up my ears.

I don’t agree with Israel sharing technology with China. I would like to think it’s short-sighted. Then again, Israel needs a big ally, and we’re sending all the wrong signals. We’ve got Obama willing to sell out anyone/anything to do the U. S. and it’s allies in.

We can bet Israel isn’t the only nation reviewing their alliances right now.

In truth, under Clinton China had access to just about anything it wanted. I’m not totally convinced Israel gave them much of anything they didn’t already have. They probably did from what I’ve read. It’s unfortunate to be sure.


39 posted on 07/28/2012 8:16:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Hacksaw; dragnet2
THAT SUCKING SOUND YOU HEAR Mitty sucking up-----and being sucked up to----by the Israelis.

Few years back, Israel threw out all the Mormons b/c they were proselytizing Jews to convert. Now they gotta deal with a Mormon presidential candidate. Watta knish of a dilemma.

Since Netanyahoo is being billed as Mitty's "friend" chances are there will be a tit for tat---maybe even Pollard will go free?

BACKSTORY Pollard, a former Navy analyst who pled guilty in 1987 of passing secrets to Israel, is currently serving a life sentence for his crimes. Israeli President Shimon Peres will reportedly ask President Obama to consider a pardon for Pollard at a meeting today. And Reps. Christopher Smith (R-NJ) and Eliot Engel (D-NY) have written a letter asking Obama to release Pollard. (Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...

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Vote-crazed Obama is going whole hog----giving Israel a-n-o-t-h-e-r $70 million US tax dollars to oil the vote-making machine....AND Obama is conferring the prestigious US Presidential Medal of Freedom on Israeli president Shimon Peres.

This is touted as a major opportunity to gain Pollard's release. News reports say Israel at first refused to acknowledge Pollard's spying---but in 1995 Pollard was made a citizen of Israel by then-prime minister Netanyahu (now the current PM).


Jonathan and Anne Pollard on their wedding day. They
divorced after they got caught spying. She lives in
Israel after her release from jail. He remarried in prison.

Pollard is in jail this long b/c he greatly undermined US ntl security for the benefit of our "best friend in the Mideast."

Pollard, the Israeli citizen, "said" he only spied for Israel and stole a million top secret US documents b/c of idealogy. Yet, Pollard was paid to do the dirty work---that involved stealing a million pieces of top secret US intel---his then-wife got paid w/ expensive jewelry. She went to jail but was released when she faked illness.

One of the terms for Israel getting trillions of US tax dollars is that they are supposed to share their Mideast intel with us. I guess they never got wind of 9/11---and dozens of other bombings---which were planned in their backyard (/snix).


"To you stupid Americans, Pollard is a criminal. In Israel, we consider him a hero."

40 posted on 07/29/2012 6:44:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: All
(Snicker) Mmmmm.....the suspense was palpable---waiting for Mitt Romney to announce he's for allout US bombing of Iran...and sending thousands of US troops into a country of the neocons choosing. The pukeneos squeezed hard before they'll endorse him. Watch Mitty squeal.

In his meeting w/ Netanyahoo Mitty now says attacking Iran is "OK" by him. Now, all Mitty has to do to grease the campaign contribution machine is parade his VP pick before the cameras, muttering, "I love Israel."

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THE NEO MO---Here's how they squeezed Mitty til he said allout war with Iran was OK.

REFERENCE Bill Kristol: Romney camp has reason to ‘worry’

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/236613-bill-kristol-romney-camp-has-reason-to-worry /FR Posted by chessplayer

Political analyst Bill Kristol on Sunday added to conservative criticism of Mitt Romney's campaign, saying it was a troubling sign that Obama was still ahead in the polls despite a still weak economy.

"I think the Fox News poll actually has the key to what the problem is for the Mitt Romney campaign. Do you think Barack Obama has a clear plan for improving the economy or not? Yes, 41; no 53. It's not great for an incumbent president. The economy is slow. And you are only at 41-53," said Kristol.

"Do you think his challenger, Gov. Romney, has a clear plan for improving the economy or not? Yes, 27; No, 55," he continued. "I don't think you can beat an incumbent president, even if the economy is slow, if 27 percent of the voters think you as the challenger don't have a clear plan for improving the economy," Kristol said. (Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com

41 posted on 07/29/2012 6:53:41 AM PDT by Liz
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To: PAR35; Tzfat; Liz
That's obviously not true. He's a traitor, and at best, he should be sent to Guantanamo and housed with the prisoners there.

Absolutely!

The attitude of some on this thread, including you, suggests that security clearances for Jewish Americans (as opposed to Americans who happen to be Jewish) should be re-evaluated across the board.

I could not possibly agree anymore.

42 posted on 07/29/2012 4:43:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hacksaw

Who would not agree?

Btw, like your moniker. A cutting edge choice.


43 posted on 07/29/2012 5:36:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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