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California gun purchases nearing record
San Francisco Chronicle / SFGate.com ^ | Friday, July 27, 2012 | Henry K. Lee

Posted on 07/28/2012 8:05:30 PM PDT by thecodont

Californians just can't get enough guns and are on a pace to set a new annual record for the number purchased legally.

Experts with the state Department of Justice predict residents will buy 725,000 rifles, pistols and shotguns in 2012, nearly twice the number they purchased five years ago, when 370,628 were acquired.

Over the last decade, annual purchases have increased despite the lackluster economy and a dramatic drop in crime.

The state doesn't record the personal history of those who purchase guns, nor their reasons for buying them, so it's hard to pinpoint a reason for the increase, experts say.

There are theories, however.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist
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1 posted on 07/28/2012 8:05:38 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

WOO-HOO!


2 posted on 07/28/2012 8:07:16 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: FReepers; Patriots

3 posted on 07/28/2012 8:07:55 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: thecodont

CA had tons of gun enthusiasts when I lived there.
Full auto? no problem!

My how the place has changed.


4 posted on 07/28/2012 8:10:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thecodont
Sacramento county is processing average 35-40 CCW applicants a week, 90% approval.

They went from one person handling the paper to whole office dedicated to processing, appointments made on the net, full steam!

5 posted on 07/28/2012 8:11:38 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: thecodont

Perhaps Californians can turn things around with gun rights.
Canada did.


6 posted on 07/28/2012 8:11:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

Ping to #5


7 posted on 07/28/2012 8:13:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thecodont

My theory is that the California’s dysfunction at state level is so obvious that no resident trusts the state government to protect or provide for them.


8 posted on 07/28/2012 8:13:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: thecodont

So where is the corresponding spike in gun crimes? Blood in the streets, etc.


9 posted on 07/28/2012 8:18:32 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

The article mentions “a dramatic drop in crime” occurring along with the increase in gun sales, and doesn’t connect the two trends.


10 posted on 07/28/2012 8:28:22 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont
"On Thursday, the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence, a consortium of police leadership groups, called for expanding background checks and banning high-capacity ammunition magazines."

Large part of the anti-Second-Amendment lobby there.


11 posted on 07/28/2012 8:28:52 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: thecodont
The state doesn't record the personal history of those who purchase guns, nor their reasons for buying them, so it's hard to pinpoint a reason for the increase

One of the most ignorant and blatantly statist statements I have ever read on a news site. Notice the subtext: the state SHOULD record the personal history of those who purchase guns; the state SHOULD record their reasons for buying them.

NO, it shouldn't do either.

The ignorant part: they can't understand why, in a down economy, with overall crime decreasing, why gun purchases are increasing. They cannot make a causal connection, in their hoplophobic worldview, between more guns and less crime. They cannot fathom a world in which the government no longer has the money to protect them.

Sick, sick puppies.

12 posted on 07/28/2012 8:30:52 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: thecodont
despite the lackluster economy and a dramatic drop in crime.

DESPITE.

13 posted on 07/28/2012 8:32:07 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: umgud

Statistics never support comments generally made on weapons.

A good example is that you can outlaw automatic rifles, and then filter out all the shootings/murders over the past thirty years. The end result is a very small and marginal group of people who would be alive today if you had outlawed the automatic rifles in 1970...as compared against the bulk of deaths reported nation-wide.

Another example is that you can look at Iowa over the past four decades (three million population only recently achieved). You have a state where 45 murders occur on an average per year. Of that...only around 47 percent of the yearly murders are by gun. The rest are listed either by knife or “other”. You go over to Pennsylvania, where there are roughly 650 murders a year, and almost 70 percent relate back to guns. The true issue is urban “warfare” which is a magnet in metropolitan areas, but you never hear the media discuss that matter.


14 posted on 07/28/2012 8:32:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: thecodont

“annual purchases have increased despite the lackluster economy and a dramatic drop in crime”

I remember the Times saying something dumb like this also.

The REASON for the drop in crime IS BECAUSE OF gun purchases.

It’s because of, not in spite of.


15 posted on 07/28/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: thecodont

“there are theories, however.”.

These fools have no idea what’s coming. None whatsoever.


16 posted on 07/28/2012 8:34:37 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Well, what I got from the article was that the author didn’t understand why people were buying more guns when crime was decreasing. I’m saying there was a connection between the decrease in crime and the increase in gun purchases.


17 posted on 07/28/2012 8:36:47 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

The underlying theme of all gun grabbers is that more guns = more crime. We’ve had a massive increase in gun sales since ‘08 when we all feared an Obama presidency, all the while crime dropped.


18 posted on 07/28/2012 8:38:05 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: mylife
San Diego County is far different. Sheriff Bill Gore makes his own rules.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/05/robert-farago/san-diego-sheriff-bill-gore-concealed-carry-permit-holder-must-be-specific-target/

19 posted on 07/28/2012 8:38:47 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: thecodont

Picture lightbulbs over their heads. About time, doncha think?


20 posted on 07/28/2012 8:41:58 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: South40

Anybody worthwhile running against him?


21 posted on 07/28/2012 8:42:29 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: South40

That is sad as SD used to be a conservative town

Now Normal Heights is anything but normal


22 posted on 07/28/2012 8:45:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: umgud

Give it time. They’ll get crisis going. IMO


23 posted on 07/28/2012 8:45:51 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: umgud

Luckily, the liberals aren’t getting guns. Mostly it’s just the law abiding citizens.


24 posted on 07/28/2012 8:47:06 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: South40

Vote the Ahole out!


25 posted on 07/28/2012 8:47:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: going hot
Anybody worthwhile running against him?

Not worthwhile enough or we wouldn't have a Sheriff Gore.

26 posted on 07/28/2012 8:48:47 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: thecodont

I will pick up two more myself...


27 posted on 07/28/2012 8:48:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: mylife

SD was conservative but no more. The gay mafia and the pro-ILLEGAL alien crowd have taken over. Sad indeed.


28 posted on 07/28/2012 8:52:53 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: mylife

We tried last election but the liberals voted for him.


29 posted on 07/28/2012 8:53:49 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: backwoods-engineer

The government doesn’t need to know if I own a firearm, how many, what my proficiency level is, my TTP or ROE. That is liberty, and nearly impossible for the liberal mindset to grasp.


30 posted on 07/28/2012 8:54:13 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: thecodont
Over the last decade, annual purchases have increased despite the lackluster economy and , resulting in a dramatic drop in crime.

Fixed it.

31 posted on 07/28/2012 8:55:31 PM PDT by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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To: South40
Local politicians are unfortunately well seated. I would expect the population at large to be more friendly to firearm ownership, and work to getting senior rank and file leo's favorable to ccw into the sheriff's chair.

In sacto we have done a 180 since the late 80's. In fact, last election, both candidates for sheriff ran on a pro ccw platform!, much to the chagrin of the city politicos.

Takes a lot of work to turn the ship, but is can be turned, in small degrees.

32 posted on 07/28/2012 8:56:29 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: South40

Better luck next time.
Best regards.


33 posted on 07/28/2012 9:03:57 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

My how the place has changed.
I used to love Western Steakburger. Gus and Maria were the greatest!

Now I find this article that pans the place.

Hmmpff!!

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/feast/2012/feb/09/western-steakburger/


34 posted on 07/28/2012 9:09:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40

On further reading, they don’t pan it.

One of my old staples.


35 posted on 07/28/2012 9:11:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: going hot
They went from one person handling the paper to whole office dedicated to processing, appointments made on the net, full steam!

725,000 rifles, pistols and shotguns in 2012!

This state is about taxes, fees, licenses, money, money, money.

I wonder if some of those democrats in Sacramento are thinking about what kind of revenue 3 million concealed carry licenses, at $200.00 a pop, and gun class fees, etc, would bring in to feed the government pensions.

36 posted on 07/28/2012 9:15:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: thecodont

They know it will get ugly when the state’s welfare system crashes and the Takers aren’t getting anything from the Makers anymore.

The dead weight in humanity that needs to be culled out isn’t the elderly, or the unborn. It’s those that are deliberate PARASITES that believe they DESERVE to live off everyone else for nothing. That is what is destroying this country. Among other things.


37 posted on 07/28/2012 9:23:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ansel12
No doubt the thought crossed many of those "minds', using the term loosely.

IMHO, Steinberg and his ilk simply cannot agree to that, no matter what the "profit" in terms of taxes. It is totally against their very core of liberalism.

'Sides, doj gets 48 bucks,and county get 28. The qualifications are paid to private run orgs.

I think the PTB are more worried about the number of firearms that are NOT represented by ccw. It stifles their plans long term.

Don't forget, this is per year.

Since roos roberti in 89, I suspect many hundreds of thousands of firearms have passed annually into the hands of the citizenry of this state.

As someone posted up thread, they have no idea.

38 posted on 07/28/2012 9:25:47 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: thecodont


39 posted on 07/28/2012 9:33:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Secret Agent Man
They know it will get ugly when the state’s welfare system crashes and the Takers aren’t getting anything from the Makers anymore. The dead weight in humanity that needs to be culled out isn’t the elderly, or the unborn. It’s those that are deliberate PARASITES that believe they DESERVE to live off everyone else for nothing. That is what is destroying this country. Among other things.

I sometimes eat at this fast food place where apparently a lot of welfare types dine. The other day I overheard conversations from fellow diners about being in Section 8 housing. Another time, one healthy, able-bodied young woman was discussing how to get her "own apartment" apparently with help from the government. Another time an apparently healthy man, not old or infirm, said he was looking forward to the first of the month because "it's Christmas!" This place also seems to attract a number of panhandlers.

About a week ago I was in a grocery store and on the way in saw/heard an agitated woman talking with the cashier about how "$400 had just been loaded" on her [EBT?] card and how she couldn't figure out why she didn't have any money left and there had to have been a problem with the cashier's computer. Twenty minutes later, after I had finished my shopping and was on my way out the door, she was still there arguing.

40 posted on 07/28/2012 9:36:04 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jonty30
My theory is that the California’s dysfunction at state level is so obvious that no resident trusts the state government to protect or provide for them.

A bunch of people here are still proudly wearing rose-colored glasses. They also don spandex and ride their $5,000 bicycles to work (playing with death daily,) and they shop at Whole Foods. I saw a Volt on the road a few days back. Not much changed in CA.

However firearms and ammo will be the #1 currency after TSHTF. They can also last for decades with very little maintenance. And, unlike gold, you can actually use them. I stopped by Reed's recently, and the place was packed.

41 posted on 07/28/2012 9:39:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: mylife
CA had tons of gun enthusiasts when I lived there. Full auto? no problem!

My how the place has changed.

California has more NRA members than any other state.

42 posted on 07/28/2012 9:40:51 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: thecodont
Over the last decade, annual purchases have increased despite the lackluster economy and have caused a dramatic drop in crime.

There.

Fixed.

43 posted on 07/28/2012 9:45:52 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1285 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: thecodont
“I sometimes eat at this fast food place where apparently a lot of welfare types dine.”

I sometimes dine in similar establishments; Obama has emboldened the “welfair types” to the point that they feel they not only are entitled to their government money, but also now completely justified in taking what ever they want from anyone or any establishment they feel is better off then them. I am sensing a break down in society. Those of us who frequently come into contact with this element know that many of them would kill or maim a fellow citizen for $20 if they thought they could get away with it. This along with the feeling that strict “gun control” is coming one way or another if Obama is somehow reelected is causing many to stock up or arm themselves before it is too late.

44 posted on 07/28/2012 9:57:47 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: mylife; Inyo-Mono
California has more NRA members than any other state. That means more than Texas!

lol...

45 posted on 07/28/2012 10:16:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

It would not surprise me.


46 posted on 07/28/2012 10:20:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Inyo-Mono

That may still be true, but they have had their rights eroded by the state.

It is my hope that they turn it around.

I know the place has plenty of conservatives.


47 posted on 07/28/2012 10:22:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dragnet2

LOL, wow man, you have it bad. I have never seen anything like you and your obsession.


48 posted on 07/28/2012 10:29:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I couldn’t find a source for NRA membership by state, which source are you using?


49 posted on 07/28/2012 10:42:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors,,, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: thecodont

I agree. It was telling the use of the word “DESPITE.”


50 posted on 07/28/2012 11:03:13 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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