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Second-lien holders put drag on short sales
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | July 28, 2012 | Gopal and John Gittelsohn

Posted on 07/29/2012 8:14:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

........Facing an onslaught of pending foreclosures, banks increasingly are turning to short sales. They lose about 15 percent less on short sales than they do on repossessions, which can take years to complete while taxes accumulate along with legal, maintenance and other costs, according to Moody's Investors Service. To encourage short sales, banks are streamlining the closing process, forgoing their right to pursue unpaid debt, and giving some homeowners cash incentives of as much as $35,000 for relocation expenses.

Roadblocks involving second liens are standing in the way of even more short sales, which reached the highest number in three years in the first quarter-133,192 total transactions, said Daren Blomquist, vicepresident at RealtyTrac. While about 39 percent of homes that have entered the foreclosure process have more than one lien, just 4.2 percent of short sales completed in the second quarter-5,658 transactions-were on homes with second mortgages, according to an analysis RealtyTrac performed for Bloomberg.

"It appears that short sales with multiple liens aren't happening as frequently and are taking longer to complete," said Blomquist, adding that when a short sale doesn't go through, the home often ends up in foreclosure.

...The four largest U.S. banks-JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo-held 48 percent of the $849.5 billion in second liens as of March 31, according to the newsletter Inside Mortgage Finance. Some banks sell second mortgages to outside investors such as Franklin Credit Management for anywhere from a quarter of a cent to 60 cents on the dollar...

....While Franklin's Axon declines to say how much his company collects on the loans it buys, he said it averages more than the industry standard of 6 percent of the unpaid balance. His company focuses collection efforts on younger, more educated borrowers, he said....

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banking; economy; homemortgagecrisis; loans
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To: marygonzo

The banks pressured to make these ctapy loans knew they were crappy but were forced by government regulators enforcing the “Community Reinvestment Act” (look it up).
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MaryGonzo ,, you couldn’t be MORE WRONG ... Take a look at the heavy foreclosure areas ,, Florida , Nevada , California ... NONE HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CRA ordered loans ... The problem was that with a cost of money at 0% ,, and their risk at 0% because they pre-sold the loans off ,, and the ability to artificially inflate the market with bogus appraisals and by adding to the pool of buyers by lowering standards THE BANKS ARE FULLY TO BLAME FOR THIS CRISIS ...

GROW A BRAIN AND LOOK AT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.


21 posted on 07/29/2012 12:03:10 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

You spew government propaganda. No one believes it.


22 posted on 07/29/2012 12:10:51 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: Neidermeyer
No, the banks are not, GSA's were required by HUD to purchase up to 50% or more of subprime loans. During the Clinton administration, the AG was threatening banks who didn't provide low income earners with 'liar loans' and the like with legal action. Activists such as 0bama sued and won against financial institutions like Citibank to guarantee a high proportion of their loand were subprime and offered to people unqualified to pay them.

Anybody who believes banks collectively lost their corporate minds starting in the '90's without being frog marched into it by Uncle Scam should buy a bridge from me. I have an extra good deal on several.

23 posted on 07/29/2012 12:19:58 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Alberta's Child

” In effect, the second lien holder is acting like the first lien holder!”

I wouldn’t put it quite like that. None, or very few of us can say “what the banks are thinking”. Oh, we think we can, and there are some with the industry knowledge to make educated guesses. But I can just tell you, as a matter of learning to negotiate, that in most cases it is a near-fatal error to assume you know the motivation of the other side. Just generically, this is way to mislead yourself.

That said, my belief is that most first mortgages are not held by banks. They are mostly held by Fan and Fred or FHA. They could be stuffable back to the originating banks, but in many, many cases, the paper trail back to the originating banks is questionable if not near impossible to reconstruct.

Many, many second morts, are, in contrast, held by banks. And they are worried about setting the precedent of forgiving them. A second mortgage on a home where the first mort is not being paid and is subject for foreclosure is in 95% of cases completely worthless.

The banks-holding-seconds are interested in being paid, but there’s every likelihood that they will not. But the longer they avoid settling out these 2nds, the greater the chance that some miracle will occur, eg; some gov bailout, some cash-rich investor who will offer at least a quarter on the dollar for an otherwise worthless 2nd, or some unspecificed something. As is, they have ZERO motivation to clear this item from their books since the act of settling for zero marks the asset to market, and FASB 157 allows them to mark the asset to fantasy. If all the banks holding RE loans had to mark their assets to market tomorrow, the great majority of them would detonate on the spot, their statutory capital falling below FDIC limits at once.


24 posted on 07/29/2012 12:23:11 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


25 posted on 07/29/2012 12:30:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


26 posted on 07/29/2012 12:30:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


27 posted on 07/29/2012 12:30:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


28 posted on 07/29/2012 12:30:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


29 posted on 07/29/2012 12:30:43 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


30 posted on 07/29/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


31 posted on 07/29/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s rather than GSE’s because now they are being managed and funded directly by Uncle Scam as a result of the real estate crisis.


32 posted on 07/29/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

sorry - more problems with my internet provider, Clear.


33 posted on 07/29/2012 12:33:02 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Post Toasties

I call them GSA’s GSA’s GSA’s GSA’s

Sory, couldn’t resist


34 posted on 07/29/2012 12:34:48 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: vbmoneyspender

“How rude of 2nd position lienholders to want to get paid. Who do they think they are.”

You would think they would forgo the $35,000 relocation incentive and give that to the lien holder at the very least.


35 posted on 07/29/2012 12:38:32 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia (Boston's mayor is anti-Christian and anti-free speech.)
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To: svcw

That’s the kind of horror story my realtor had been telling me about. Banks that are under no compulsion to act in a civilized manner.


36 posted on 07/29/2012 12:44:39 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: marygonzo

“Pay your mortgage or get out. ....... The banks pressured to make these ctapy loans knew they were crappy but were forced by government regulators “

If you don’t like government regulators forcing CRA, then get out.....out of the “banking” business.

(Or maybe they we’re in on it after all)


37 posted on 07/29/2012 1:05:40 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: MarineBrat
I was typing on the phone so didn't add the “event” that changed BofA’s mind and closed the next day.
The owner of the place we were trying to buy, found out who was running the show, went to his office (no appointment, she is 90, and uses a walker), just walked right in, introduced herself. The guy she said was livid.
Then she leans over his desk and said “close the deal”, his reply “not until you pay them money”.
She said, "my grandparents and parents were gassed in Auschwitz, here is my mark (shows her tattoo) do you really think you can intimidate me?”
As I said we closed the next day.
38 posted on 07/29/2012 1:47:29 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: vbmoneyspender
How rude of 2nd position lienholders to want to get paid. Who do they think they are.

Usually the same people that have the first lean.

39 posted on 07/29/2012 4:20:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (Old people cost too much money. They make lots of typos too.)
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To: itsahoot

The whole point of the article is that they are not the same as the senior lienholder.


40 posted on 07/29/2012 4:32:50 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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