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Scalia stuns Identity Conservatives: says guns can be regulated
Examiner ^ | 07/29/2012 | KEVIN KERVICK

Posted on 07/29/2012 5:03:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

In a shocking statement made this morning on FOX News Sunday with Chris Wallace, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said he believes the U.S. Constitution allows states to regulate firearms. In a response to a question about the Second Amendment from Wallace, Scalia said the following:

... there were legal precedents from the days of the Founding Fathers that banned some weapons. There were also "locational limitations" on where weapons could be carried. --They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne.

This statement will be perceived as a bolt of lightning in conservative circles and it will be received as a breath of fresh air to those that seek common sense gun standards. If one of the most conservative people in the land, Antonin Scalia, believes the 2nd Amendment allows for gun limitations, it will be difficult for gun fundamentalists to continue to make their case that gun ownership is absolute and not subject to any control by government authorities.

This has been a high visibility issue in New Hampshire because this state has very liberal open carry provisions. During the recent term, several legislators routinely carried their firearms openly in the State House. Additionally, those open carry provisions have come under scrutiny because members of various liberty groups have been quite vocal about their open carry gun rights at any venue, much to the chagrin of gun control advocates who want some open carry and concealed carry restrictions. A group of collaborators were recently kicked out of an Occupy Wall Street assembly in New Hampshire in part because they were carrying guns openly.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; scalia; scaliaguns; scotus; secondamendment
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1 posted on 07/29/2012 5:03:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

BY STATES.


2 posted on 07/29/2012 5:06:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

as can speech, thought, religion and everything else.

Remember the 2nd amendment is as strong as any other.


3 posted on 07/29/2012 5:07:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind
says guns can be regulated

as can be politicians.

4 posted on 07/29/2012 5:09:16 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

Between Obama, Romney, Roberts and now Scalia, I think we can kiss liberty goodbye.


5 posted on 07/29/2012 5:09:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw the interview this morning. Scalia was talking about crew served weapons, cannons, not individual weapons, although he said that shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, could probably be regulated. He did not include pistols and rifles.


6 posted on 07/29/2012 5:09:28 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SeekAndFind

“a breath of fresh air to those that seek common sense gun standards”

Common sense gun standards were defined long ago with the phrase “Guns don’t kill, people do.”


7 posted on 07/29/2012 5:10:19 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: SeekAndFind

He also said that manpads might be subject to fed reg, and that heavy weapons, artillery are under fed purview. Anyone that looks at his statements and gets their knikers in a twist is a dullard.


8 posted on 07/29/2012 5:11:27 PM PDT by waynesa98
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To: SeekAndFind

There is gun control and then there is gun control.

Does anyone here disagree with laws that make it illegal for convicted felons to purchase guns?

That is a form of gun control.

What about felons on parole? Should they able to legally purchase guns?

Just asking....


9 posted on 07/29/2012 5:11:37 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Jim Robinson
Between Obama, Romney, Roberts and now Scalia, I think we can kiss liberty goodbye.

BTTT.

The Supreme Court is now looking quite shaky.

It's amazing that FDR and Obama were both able to do this. No other presidents in history come to my mind in their astonishing ability to bend the Supreme Court to their will.

10 posted on 07/29/2012 5:13:33 PM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: GreyFriar
Actually cannons and Gatling guns are legal under current federal law.

/johnny

11 posted on 07/29/2012 5:13:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

“identity” conservative?


12 posted on 07/29/2012 5:16:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: SeekAndFind
He must be getting senile. We have a saying here in Texas that started with the Battle of Gonzales.
13 posted on 07/29/2012 5:16:44 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Iron Munro
Does anyone here disagree with laws that make it illegal for convicted felons to purchase guns?

I do, and I know others do. If you can't be trusted with a firearm, you need to be in jail.

If you are out of jail, you have a right to protect yourself.

/johnny

14 posted on 07/29/2012 5:17:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL
His angle is weapons advancement, which is no argument whatsoever because the government which is supposed to be limited by the people's right to overthrow it enjoys the exponential killing effectiveness of said weapons. One should only conclude the populace must be armed the same, since the second amendment gives us the tools to plow the field when it's too hard to break the stubborn ground with a shovel.

Just ask the Ruby Ridge, Waco, and MOVE folks about the government's tools of mass destruction?

15 posted on 07/29/2012 5:19:29 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: GeronL
Remember the 2nd amendment is as strong as any other.

In practice it (the 2nd) is not. For most of America, our RKBA is not a right, but a privilege doled out at the pleasure of the ruling class (gov't).

Over time, the courts have a greater history of approving 2A infringements than ruling constitutional protections for the 2A.

16 posted on 07/29/2012 5:20:21 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: SeekAndFind
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YgtxjPS2y4o/TViSozRmHII/AAAAAAAAAAw/Yfu9DNtW4yg/s1600/Business+Money+Briefcase.jpg

John Taney Roberts must have lowered the price it takes to buy a Supreme Court Justice.

17 posted on 07/29/2012 5:21:18 PM PDT by KC_Lion (No more Grand Old Progressives! Vote Conservative-Libertarian-Tea Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kenyan is blackmailing the SOTUS.


18 posted on 07/29/2012 5:22:41 PM PDT by y6162
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To: SeekAndFind

Scalia says “Guns can be regulated away from prisoners on Death Row” and idiots instead hear “Guns can be banned from law-abiding citizens.”

Oy vey. This is one dumb society.


19 posted on 07/29/2012 5:24:31 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Jim Robinson
Have they slipped something in this guy's water? What is going on!

I hate to say it but I think you're right.

20 posted on 07/29/2012 5:25:22 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Iron Munro
Does anyone here disagree with laws that make it illegal for convicted felons to purchase guns?

Yup.

What about felons on parole? Should they able to legally purchase guns?

Absolutely.

The very idea of putting an individual on the streets while depriving him, under color of law, an otherwise lawful means of self defense, should be considered an act of barbaric cruelty on a par with dropping a child into an active dog-fighting ring.

If the individual is too dangerous to be allowed a gun, he's too dangerous to be allowed on the street.

Never mind the fact that the concept of "felony" has been expanded so far that my father, were he alive today, would be a serial habitual felon by the way he disposed of used oil after driveway oil changes from +/-1950 to +/-1972.

21 posted on 07/29/2012 5:25:31 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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To: RC one

says guns can be regulated

as can be politicians.

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Ask the Bourbon King of France. Oh wait, you can’t.


22 posted on 07/29/2012 5:27:01 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: snowsislander

“It’s amazing that FDR and Obama were both able to do this. No other presidents in history come to my mind in their astonishing ability to bend the Supreme Court to their will.”

And the Secret Service!


23 posted on 07/29/2012 5:27:26 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The government gets to decide which felonies get prosecuted. Gwenn Moore's son commits feloneous crimes and gets nothing. James Trafficant acts like an idiot and he goes away for ten..............Conyers family members use congressionally leased SUV's to run drugs and caryy illegal handguns around Detroit and they get nothing.

Ted Kennedy kills his pregnant girlfriend in a drunk driving accident and they name buildings after him. What's Gary Condit doing these days? Any more classified documents stuffed down Sandy Berger's sox lately?

Feh! I'd trust a gun toting drug dealer to be of higher ethical standards than felony free idots in Washington. It's a matter of a recontextualized system.

24 posted on 07/29/2012 5:29:29 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Between Obama, Romney, Roberts and now Scalia, I think we can kiss liberty goodbye.”

Respectfully, no. We can kiss domestic tranquility goodbye. As for liberty, it will depend on who is left standing after the coming ‘unpleasantness’ is worked out.


25 posted on 07/29/2012 5:30:31 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Psalm 144
Ask the Bourbon King of France.

Last I heard, he isn't back from getting a shave. ;)

/johnny

26 posted on 07/29/2012 5:31:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: waynesa98
He also said that manpads might be subject to fed reg, and that heavy weapons, artillery are under fed purview. Anyone that looks at his statements and gets their knikers in a twist is a dullard.

In a twist? But I so wanted that 120mm smooth bore!

27 posted on 07/29/2012 5:31:09 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Psalm 144

Flash message: Guns are already regulated.


28 posted on 07/29/2012 5:32:12 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: GreyFriar; waynesa98

I think civilian vessels on the high seas should be armed to protect themselves from pirates and other threats


29 posted on 07/29/2012 5:33:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: blackdog
I'd trust a gun toting drug dealer to be of higher ethical standards than felony free idots in Washington.

One is a member of organized crime, the other is a politician.

Wait.... how do I tell the difference?

/johnny

30 posted on 07/29/2012 5:34:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Iron Munro

if they have already served their punishment, shouldn’t they get their rights back?

maybe they should spend more time behind bars if they are still a threat?


31 posted on 07/29/2012 5:36:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: waynesa98

It’s looking very much, on quite a few issues, that the left is doing quite a bit of “concern trolling” to suppress potential voters for the right, since they’re not going to get them this time.


32 posted on 07/29/2012 5:37:32 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Iron Munro
The right to protect one's life comes from God, and is inalienable; it can't be given away, taken away or disqualified. That right presupposes the right to possess the tools necessary to effect that right. Firearms are the most efficient tool in existence to do so. Should someone misuse those tools, they will, and should, be held responsible for that misuse by God and man.

I do not believe in prison to punish, nor to rehabilitate. Prison, removing those convicted of crimes from society, should be done to protect the law abiding. Convicts should be released only when it is apparent they will never reoffend. If we cannot trust them with firearms, we cannot trust them with knives, bats, cars, fists, etc. Obviously, I believe many more criminals should remain in prison forever than currently do. I believe any violent crime committed against an innocent should bring an automatic life sentence with no parole, for the first offense.

Don't create confusion and uncertainty about the natural rights of free people by accepting the social engineering of utopian socialists.

33 posted on 07/29/2012 5:38:57 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard it. Nothing out of the ordinary for an originalist such as Scalia. He is historically accurate and was talking in a broad way about what the words of the second amendment mean. There is nothing in the second amendment ( or the first for that matter) that is absolutist. This is much ado about nothing. Moreover, it is typical of the left to try and put a wedge between conservatives. No need to feed the hype


34 posted on 07/29/2012 5:39:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SeekAndFind

As I have been saying all along, this is not a “conservative friendly” Court. I said they’d uphold ObamaCare and they did. This is VERY much a Court that believes in ultimate government power and not power by the people.

But, hey . . . some called me a liberal for saying that. just the sad truth my friends.


35 posted on 07/29/2012 5:40:54 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Jim Robinson
I think that a lot of Americans are going to die because of these rotten bastards and I am beginning to think that they actually want it to happen. Whether it is by foreign powers or domestic tyranny... they want to crush the light of Liberty and Freedom. I have never been more concerned for our Republic and for the lives of my fellow Conservatives. Corruption is deep and the infection is raging and we have lost cheney, scalia and roberts... the gop has kicked us to the curb... but I think of Washington facing defeat due to huger and starvation... and he still kicked the British out of America. GOD bless us all... HE knows who is worthy and who is not.

LLS

36 posted on 07/29/2012 5:41:16 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Mouton

Flash message: all things are regulated in a totalitarian state, which the United States now indisputably are.

Further flash message: There is a distinction between what is regulated and what is actually controlled. See, e.g. the utter collapse of Soviet authority circa 1991.


37 posted on 07/29/2012 5:44:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Nifster

“Moreover, it is typical of the left to try and put a wedge between conservatives. No need to feed the hype”
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The interview I saw was on Fox/Chirs Wallace and I thought there was nothing to it. Down the line conservative. If there was anything “liberal” about the interview, it was Wallace who refused to discuss Scalia’s new book, although that was why he had granted an interview.


38 posted on 07/29/2012 5:47:15 PM PDT by rem_mitchell
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39 posted on 07/29/2012 5:51:21 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: JRandomFreeper
From The Godfather, a discussion regarding Don Corleone:

Michael Corleone: "My father is no different than any other powerful man -- any man who's responsible for other people, like a senator or president."

Kay, his fiance: "You know how naive you sound...senators and presidents don't have men killed."

MC: "Oh, who's being naive, Kay?"

40 posted on 07/29/2012 6:02:15 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: SeekAndFind

All I can say is that WE THE PEOPLE need to take our country back!!!!!!!


41 posted on 07/29/2012 6:03:54 PM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: onyx
WAS THIS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT???

Like obama says when he doesn't like something that is said he said...lol at myself as I type...

this whole damn bunch makes me laugh..glad I'm old and the years ahead are not as many as have passed~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Carole

42 posted on 07/29/2012 6:05:47 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: SeekAndFind

Keep on upgrading Congress at every election turning over Rinos and Dems to keep them in check. I think there’s a good chance we get 12 to 20 extra seats in the House and a fairly good shot at getting 60 seats in the Senate.


43 posted on 07/29/2012 6:11:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind
And did not Christ warn us all those many years ago about those that sit in the seat of Moses. Perversion is the theme of these days. The ‘state’ is god.
44 posted on 07/29/2012 6:11:39 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Paladin2

Indeed Scalia is right, none of the first 10 amendments so the Federal Constitution were ever intended to restrict our States.

We have State Constitution’s for that propose, and most free State Constitutions garrentee the right to keep and bare arms.

WE HAVE NO NEED FOR WASHINGTON TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH OUR OWN STATE!


45 posted on 07/29/2012 6:14:11 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: reasonisfaith
common sense gun standards

is liberal speak for complete prohibition of gun ownership by anyone other than government operatives.

46 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:34 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: haircutter
WAS THIS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT???

I don't know. I haven't yet watched the video.

LOL @ your comments. Thank you!!! I'm in your same boat.

47 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:57 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: SeekAndFind

Increase in gun/ammo purchases in 5..4...3...


48 posted on 07/29/2012 6:18:51 PM PDT by matt04
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To: GeronL
as can speech, thought, religion and everything else.

Exactly! I would love for him to defend a state's right to establish an official religion - much as Maryland was once officially Catholic. I mean, either you believe in state's rights or your a selective and hypocritical douchebag - and I assume he's not one of those.

49 posted on 07/29/2012 6:21:35 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: Nifster

I think you are avoiding the bigger picture here. Scalia just handed the libs a club, and they are going to use to great effect for the next 20 plus years. Scalia must be about to retire, so he’s worried about all of the nasty books that are going to be written about him. Even if he believes what he is saying, why say it? Unless you have jumped ship and now believe all of the liberal hype that something MUST be done?


50 posted on 07/29/2012 6:22:34 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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