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Mall says U.S. flags on kiddie train must go
KATU ^ | 7/29/2012

Posted on 07/29/2012 5:56:19 PM PDT by hiho hiho

CLACKAMAS, Ore. - A fight over the American flag is brewing at the Clackamas Town Center.

The manager of the children's train at the mall says he's being forced to remove flags that he uses to decorate the train ride.

Why? The mall told him the flags are against policy.

Thomas Phelps said he was floored when he got a letter from mall management telling him that the flags were "unapproved visuals."

That reference didn't sit too well with Phelps, who also happens to be a military veteran.

"That is dedicated to veterans and military, police, firefighters, EMTs - all those people that daily put their lives on the line for us," Phelps said. "That's what it's dedicated to. And if you're going to call that a Christmas decoration or something, then I'm sorry, I don't want to be around you. You're not in my country."

Phelps said he would understand if it was causing a problem but he said nobody has complained - not once.

And he isn't alone in his feelings. Connie Marsden, a local grandmother, told us "It's the United States. That's our flag. We should be proud of it. Not be forced to take it off a little ride for the kids."

The mall did not allow our news camera on its property but a family who took a train ride on Sunday told us they enjoyed the ride and didn't understand why the flags were a problem.

The Clackamas Town Center sent us a written response when we asked for comment. General Manager Dennis Curtis wrote in an e-mail "we honor, appreciate and respect everything the U.S. flag represents."

Still, Phelps said mall management isn't budging and he's prepared to lose his job before he takes down the flags.

"I may be fired, I may be thrown out of the mall, but I am not taking it down," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: oldglory; veteran; zoning
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1 posted on 07/29/2012 5:56:22 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

I am so tired of fighting the same wars over and over.


2 posted on 07/29/2012 5:59:08 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: hiho hiho

Of course, if they were using the homosexual symbol rainbow flag, then it would be a hate crime to remove it. It would be required to stay in place.


3 posted on 07/29/2012 5:59:08 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: hiho hiho
Ask to see where it specifically says the US flag is unapproved. If that point actually exists in the mall's written rules, get together with the other vendors and stores to petition the mall to change it.

If the rules do not refer to the US flag, tell 'em to take a hike and if they push it, tell them you'll sue them and publicize it.

4 posted on 07/29/2012 6:08:03 PM PDT by jeffc (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
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To: All

5 posted on 07/29/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Send the Liberal sewer slime, who object, a copy of the Star Spangled Banner or a photo of the flag raisiing on Iwo Jima. Then tell them where you would like to put the flag.


6 posted on 07/29/2012 6:11:24 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I was gonna suggest Muslim flags but your idea’s good too.


7 posted on 07/29/2012 6:11:34 PM PDT by Argus
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To: hiho hiho
A children's train, no less.

Shame on these people.

They need to find a better country.

8 posted on 07/29/2012 6:12:40 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: hiho hiho
Just damn those PC bastards to Hell!! This 'Nam Vet reserves the right to display the National Colors anyplace, anytime - subject only to Flag Code. I grew up pledging allegiance to the 48-Star Flag, I fought under, and spilled my blood for the 50-Star Flag.

I claim it as my own, and beware to any who seek to hinder me!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

9 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:15 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: hiho hiho

I suggest everyone in Oregon, get out as fast as possible.


10 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: hiho hiho

Clackamas Town Center

12000 SE 82nd Avenue
Happy Valley, Oregon 97086
Phone (503) 653-6913
Fax (503) 653-7251
www.clackamastowncenter.com

CONTACTS
General Manager:
Dennis Curtis
(503) 653-6613
dennis.curtis@ggp.com

Leasing Representative:
(including food court)
Blake Bishop
(503) 224-8466
blake.bishop@ggp.com

Specialty Leasing Representative:
Kirstan Cantu
(503) 652-8818
kirstan.cantu@ggp.com


11 posted on 07/29/2012 6:17:56 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: onyx
They need to find a better country.

They won't! But they do need to find a different one.

(Hi Miss Onyx)

12 posted on 07/29/2012 6:18:29 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: hiho hiho

These are the types of people who are running this country into the ground


13 posted on 07/29/2012 6:19:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: hiho hiho

“I may be fired, I may be thrown out of the mall, but I am not taking it down,” he said.
_____________________________

Three cheers for this Patriot, Thomas Phelps!

Guess it’s time to display yet another Old Glory at my ‘compound’.


14 posted on 07/29/2012 6:19:18 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: hiho hiho

Clack Mall is about to feel the wrath of the people. Apparently those Stalinists running the mall don’t need American loving customers.

Pray for America


15 posted on 07/29/2012 6:19:42 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: hiho hiho
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16 posted on 07/29/2012 6:19:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Hey Dearest You! Yes, you're right, a different country!

Just get the he// out of ours!
17 posted on 07/29/2012 6:23:13 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: hiho hiho

According to the comments at the link, Clackamas Town Center overall management is Clackamas Mall,LLC owned by General Growth Properties in Chicago. Here is their email address:
http://www.ggp.com/about-ggp/contact-us
Also from the link the General Manager of General Growth Properties Is:
Dennis Curtis, contact at:dennis.curtis@ggp.com


18 posted on 07/29/2012 6:25:52 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: smoothsailing
B T T T ! ! ! ©


Thanks very much for the contact info, smoothsailing!!!

19 posted on 07/29/2012 6:25:52 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: hiho hiho

“I’m not taking it down he said.”

He’s making all that trouble over a silly flag.

/SARCASM/


20 posted on 07/29/2012 6:28:47 PM PDT by ripley
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To: hiho hiho
he got a letter from mall management telling him that the flags were "unapproved visuals."

Apparently the Mall Management must approve all “visual” displays.

I would suggest that this man poll the other vendors in the mall and question whether they had ever had a display rejected by the mall management. Had they ever receive such a letter?

I suspect that he is being treated differently.

I doubt that it would benefit him legally to show that he is being discriminated because of his flags but I bet that it would help him with the press.

21 posted on 07/29/2012 6:29:57 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: dynachrome

FYI


22 posted on 07/29/2012 6:30:21 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: hiho hiho

I love my country

unfortunately... this ain’t it

anyone catch the forwarding address?


23 posted on 07/29/2012 6:35:38 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Pontiac

the press??

Are you kidding?


24 posted on 07/29/2012 6:37:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: hiho hiho
Whatever BS arguement aside - A. The flag is not a "decoration", and B. according to the flag code, "The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, a railroad train, or a boat."

In my opinion, the flaq should go...

25 posted on 07/29/2012 6:38:30 PM PDT by stormer
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To: hiho hiho

I fed up with political correctness, anti-Americanism, communists, socialists, progressives, homos, and anything that is a hyphenated-American. It’s American with nothing else in front. Americans built this republic of ours and this diversity tolerance thing has to go.

I had friends who died for the flag. Make no laws or rules forbidding its display.


26 posted on 07/29/2012 6:38:45 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Repeal Obamacare, the CITIZENSHIP TAX)
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To: hiho hiho

Of course.... Oregon is not part of the United States.


27 posted on 07/29/2012 6:42:26 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: onyx; hiho hiho

In part reference to the Chick-fil-A fustercluck, Mark Steyn said it well today...

‘Until more citizens of free nations are willing to say to statist hacks “Who the hell do you think you are?,”liberty will continue to bleed.’

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/312564/who-hell-do-you-think-you-are-mark-steyn


28 posted on 07/29/2012 6:44:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Brilliant
Of course.... Oregon is not part of the United States.

Left coast--but pretty much all coastal areas plus inland port Chicago.

29 posted on 07/29/2012 6:45:30 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: hiho hiho

It’s so fun watching the birth of a social media sh!tstorm! Can’t wait to watch it grow into a wonderful adult Poonami!


30 posted on 07/29/2012 6:48:53 PM PDT by rotstan
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To: stormer

Give little flags to the kids to wave while on the train. Sell them outside te mall Have people at tain stop singing God Bless America


31 posted on 07/29/2012 6:48:53 PM PDT by RightLady (Take out the trash the first Tues after the first Monday in Nov)
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To: hiho hiho

The Marxist,Progressive,Democrats are finally showing their true colors, RED hate for America and will never give up until they are run out of town on a rail covered in Tar and Feathers. Lets Roll!


32 posted on 07/29/2012 6:50:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: stormer

I could care less what you think. There is a long tradition of decorating locomotives with US flags in this country.


33 posted on 07/29/2012 6:52:16 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: hiho hiho
Thomas Phelps said he was floored when he got a letter from mall management telling him that the flags were "unapproved visuals."

They probably don't want the mall to look like a used car lot. To some the flag is nothing more than a sales tool.

34 posted on 07/29/2012 6:53:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: hiho hiho

Then throw out the train and their rails. Forget they were there. We don’t need non-American thinking. If they don’t want our flag...move somewhere else. we don’t need this kind of non-American thinking


35 posted on 07/29/2012 6:54:01 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Salvation

Oregon ping


36 posted on 07/29/2012 7:04:29 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: stormer

I agree....That is quite improper. Put a couple of flag decals on the train like I have on my car.


37 posted on 07/29/2012 7:05:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: mojo114
in Chicago

Thanks. That explains it. It's a Chicago/Hillary/Obama deal.

38 posted on 07/29/2012 7:06:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: stormer

That’s the train? You’re correct, that flag is being improperly displayed. I thought he had it on a staff or something....


39 posted on 07/29/2012 7:07:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: hiho hiho

Hopefully in my lifetime this sh!t is gonna come to a head and soon. These people are going to rue the day.

I am SICK AND TIRED of these no good sorry assed welfare sucking government tit no good RATS I could scream!


40 posted on 07/29/2012 7:09:50 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: hiho hiho

There was a study a while back that showed that children raised honoring the American flag turned out more likely to be Republican. Does anybody out there remember that study and where I may get my hands on it?


41 posted on 07/29/2012 7:10:04 PM PDT by Liberal Bob (looneyleft.com)
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To: stormer; Kirkwood

The flag shouldn’t go, but it’s preferable that it be properly displayed, IMO.

The Flag Code further says; “ When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender”

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#175


42 posted on 07/29/2012 7:11:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: hiho hiho

Clackamas is in Portlandia. What do you expect?


43 posted on 07/29/2012 7:17:03 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: stormer

Win the the “BS” fight first, then move the flags to a proper display.


44 posted on 07/29/2012 7:21:45 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: hiho hiho

I wonder if any of the stores in Clackamas Town Center sell any Fourth of July decorations? Or decorate with flags in their stores?

What idiocy!


45 posted on 07/29/2012 7:44:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for posting the contact info.

Freepers — go for it!


46 posted on 07/29/2012 7:47:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ConorMacNessa

MINE IS FLYING OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW. It will fly continually until I am to dead to lower the lanyard. I fly a storm flag with a spotlight so it never has to come down. I removed the bear flag about 15 years ago when I decided California was to commie/progressive/liberal to display it’s colors along with the Stars and Stripes. Sounds like we might have been “in country” at the same time. 3/11th Marines, Khe Sanh 69.
SEMPER FIDELIS brother.


47 posted on 07/29/2012 7:47:37 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: smoothsailing; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

48 posted on 07/29/2012 7:48:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dragnet2

I hope you mean like minded freepers...

I won’t want the liberal filth escaping..

They made their bed. They can sleep in it.


49 posted on 07/29/2012 7:52:46 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: hiho hiho
nobody has complained - not once
I bet that's not true. I bet some leftist complained directly to mall management, who are obviously leftists themselves.
50 posted on 07/29/2012 7:53:29 PM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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