Skip to comments.Phony document gives birth to cover-up
Posted on 07/29/2012 11:10:24 PM PDT by Kukai
Im sorry to report that the substantive findings of the latest press conference held by Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff Joe Arpaios Cold Case Posse will not be appearing on Fox, on CNN or in The Washington Post. They will not be appearing in the media, period. I guess the nations press corps is too busy submitting its work to Obama and Romney campaign officials for quote approval as The New York Times recently confessed, in an outbreak of candor to report on anything.
To remain a free people, a new kind of do-it-yourself journalism is in order. For starters, I recommend every American seek out and watch the two Cold Case Posse press conferences on YouTube. You report and you decide. Its better that way.
The bottom line is this: The posse investigation has amassed extensive computer forensics and other evidence that the Barack Obama birth certificate posted on the White House website is a forgery. Again, I urge readers to review the case for themselves. What I want to focus on today is something at least as bad as document fraud. I want to focus on document fraud cover-up.
Listening to posse lead investigator Mike Zullo describe the investigations itinerary during the posses recent trip to Hawaii, a picture of statewide stonewalling emerges. Dead ends guarded by hunkered-down public officials. The same nonanswers to the simplest questions. Canned responses. If CNN, Chris Matthews, Obama press secretary Jay Carney, Rachel Maddow, The Huffington Post and the Los Angeles Times all didnt know so much better, a neutral observer might say it sounded like a conspiracy an agreement between at least two people to do something shifty.
Kapiolani Medical Center was the first stop for Zullo and detective Brian Mackiewicz. Thats where the birth certificate says Obama was born. Why visit? A retired doctor told the posse that when he was a medical resident at Kapiolani in 1970, it was common practice for a nurse to record by hand the name of every expectant mother as she entered the delivery room. After the register was filled, it was filed in the hospital library archives. Those archives are open to the public with permission from Kapiolani.
One thing Zullo makes shockingly clear in his recent presentation is the legal flimsiness of a Hawaiian birth certificate under the best of circumstances. A Hawaiian birth certificate is evidence only of information on file with the state; it is not evidence that this information is true. Hawaiian law spells this out by categorizing its state-issued birth certificates as prima facie evidence. This makes corroborating evidence such as infant vaccine records, scene-setting baby pictures or, in this particular case, a delivery-room entry log essential. There is zero such corroborating evidence in our Obama files. All we have is that posse-disputed online image floating before our eyes.
Now, imagine the laurels that would come to the hospital librarian who brandished a maternity log with Stanley Ann Dunhams name inscribed in 1961 in the investigators faces the follow-up high-fives on Good Morning America, the round of applause on David Lettermans Late Show, maybe even a thank-you note from Barack and Michelle for finally putting Arpaios Cold Case Posse on ice.
Instead, the reply to the posses request from Kapiolani was: The hospital wasnt in the business of investigating birth certificates but was in the business of saving lives. (How unrehearsed.) They all but threw us out, Zullo recalled.
It was a similar story at the Hawaii Department of Health, where two uniformed policemen were called in after the investigators showed their credentials and asked to speak to state registrar Alvin Onaka. (The cops looked quite irritated at having been called, noted Zullo.) Mr. Onaka doesnt speak to the public, the investigators were told. Translation: Mr. Onaka was hiding in his office. Fortunately, Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine deigned to give the posse 15 minutes.
Were the two certified copies of the birth certificate that Obamas personal attorney is said to have brought back to Washington identical to the image posted at the White House website? Nagamine wouldnt answer the question, repeatedly invoking a Hawaiian statute that she said prevented her from talking about the copy of the White House birth certificate Zullo had with him.
He tried a different tack. Say, for instance, he had to release his drivers license, Zullo said. And that Nagamine scanned his license into a computer. Before the public could view it, however, she changed or added information. Is that still my drivers license? he asked Nagamine.
Hawaiis deputy attorney general replied: But you still have a drivers license.
No, you dont. You have a forgery.
So what do we have in Hawaii and in the White House?
For reading later
Hawaii guv can’t find Obama birth certificate
January 19, 2011
If a Republican had a fraudulent BC, SS, and draft card, the mainstream media would be all over it, especially if he or she were a black president. The media might like us to think their favors flow equally in both directions, but they don’t. The media dances to the orders of Democrats. They will crap all over Romney, if he gives them the slightest chance. Obama could be Hitler’s grandson, and the Antichrist, born in Hell, and the media wouldn’t run so much as a sidebar on it. Of course they will do what he says.
What’s happening in America right now is twilight zone material. There is an evil that has possessed the minds of millions. I don’t know how else to describe it.
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“Whats happening in America right now is twilight zone material. There is an evil that has possessed the minds of millions. I dont know how else to describe it.”
I’d say it sounds like strong delusion of the Last Days.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And for this cause
God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
But isn’t obama’s father’s birth certificate the one that really matters?
Doesn’t the law say that in order to be president you must be the child of two parents who were citizens and both your parents had to be born in the US?
That’s what makes obama an illegitimate president. His father was not born in the US. His father was not a citizen of the US. His father was born in Kenya.
Unless obama’s real birth certificate shows some other person as his father. A person who was born in the US. A person so unliked, or a bad criminal and no one would want the son of that man being president, that would make the deception necessary.
Other then that, it’s obama’s father’s not being a natural born citizen of the US that makes obama an illegitimate president. IMHO
And either scenario would involve several people, including obama, being guilty of a felony. Maybe even treason.
But the only way to get obama out of office is to get enough people to vote for romney. Because nobody will do anything about obama being an illegitimate president.
He'd have been gone before the mid-term elections and the dems would control both the House and Senate as Nancy Pelosi and her party would have used the issue of corruption to run against the GOP.
Truth is, Nancy would be acting President about now. Both President and Vice-President would have already been impeached at a minimum.
Heck I wouldn't even doubt that the republicans (such as John McCain) would have initiated the investigation.
Not now. It matters yes, but not the ONLY thing that matters now that it's a forged document.
Cultural Marxism forced in the public school system completed by Jimmy carter. It is BF Skinner conditioning——cognitive dissonance.
Children taught lies 24/7 can never be rational, when their foundation is empty of true knowledge....they can not reason. Classics, rhetoric and explicit phonics were thrown out of the classroom, in favor of social “sciences” by John Dewey—the founder of the Godless curriculum which flips reason on its head and inserts “feelings” as the determinate of Good and Evil—if it “feels” good—it is good. Bible is obsolete. Moral standards don’t exist-—Barney Frank’s twisted perverted worldview becomes the norm for children. Reason and logic are tossed. Indoctrination into sodomy corrupts the normal sexual development of children and normalizes homosexuality.
This country was founded in the Age of Reason. Ayn Rand stated in the 60’s that we were being brainwashed....by the media—the schools—esp. universities into irrational Postmodernist “thinking” of Marxism. The “do-gooders” were trying to enslave the Good and productive with the favored groups with special rights (unconstitutional). The SPECIAL groups (identity politics to divide and destroy) are used to destroy Justice and create chaos and illiterates and anger.
Obamas father only needed to be a naturalized citizen of the United States at the time of Obamas birth for Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen.
But he wasnt so Obama isnt.
"But he wasnt so Obama isnt."
Well, that's just it, isn't it? We don't know for certain whether or not Barack Obama "Sr." really is Barry's true father. The guy lies about everything else, why not that also?
He could very well be the spawn of amateur pornographer Frank Marshall Davis and an underage Stanley Ann Dunham, and if born in the US (which also is still unproven) would then be a Natural Born Citizen, but his entire life narrative would be shown to be a fabrication.
Thanks for the Pings, F15E. I'm still digesting the book review. . .
How about a father and mentor who was a known Soviet agent?
And what about the upheaval that would ensue if this were to be established as fact?
IF "Obama" is telling us the truth about his parentage, he cannot possibly be a Natural Born Citizen due to the issue of divided loyalties that would arise from having a foreign-born, non-citizen father. But this man lies about pretty much everything else, so why not paternity also?
All reasonable conjectures.
Or his mother lied to his father and him.
Sad that we have people who identify themselves as “conservatives” are giving aid and cover to Obama by not covering in-depth Obama’s Birth Certificate issue
There is no excuse to not cover it, unless, of course, you are not conservative
Pretty much, by now, you are either an Obama Birther or an Obama Supporter
“Not now. It matters yes, but not the ONLY thing that matters now that it’s a forged document.”
One of the most plausible theories I have heard on why the BC was forged is that whatever “original” BC existed had to be altered when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
Barry had to be an Indonesian citizen to get foreign aid for college, right? Hence the need to hide his college records.
Actually,all the parents have to be are American citizens at the time of the person’s birth.Which still disqualifies the current President.His birth father was a British citizen.
It is clear that he does not have a birth certificate from Hawaii. All the rhetoric about it is baloney. The sad part is that the democrats all knew and backed him anyway. He will fade into oblivion and the subject will remain until some time in the future when the democrats will try to use it to defame the Constitution as a useless old document. Brace up for that time.
Nice summary of how Cultural Marxism corrupted the school system.
Some background on Cultural Marxism: In the late 1800’s the Fabian Society decided the US was not going to join global Marxism through the use of force. A more insidious plan was devised.
Cultural Marxism, out of the Frankfurt School, is the Fabian Society’s heir. The goal was to infiltrate and subvert every aspect of American ethics, culture, media, school system, and government. Cultural Marxism = Political Correctness.
” . . . They are contaminated; they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind[s], even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. In other words, these people... the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible . . .”
Yuri Bezmenov Soviet Defector 1984
‘All warfare is based primarily on the deception of an enemy. Fighting on a battlefield is the most primitive way of making war. There is no art higher than to destroy your enemy without a fightby SUBVERTING anything of value in the enemys country.’
Chinese philosopher 500 B.C.
You may have misspoken, but I can't let this disinformation go undisputed.
The parents do not need to be “NATURAL BORN citizens!!!!!!!
They don't need to be born HERE!!!!!!!!
They just need to be “CITIZENS”!!!!! at the time of the birth. Naturalized citizens are just fine.
Now, Obama’s father NEVER was a CITIZEN so, yes, Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen because of that fact. Let's not confuse the issue with inaccurate requirements.
Barry had to be an Indonesian citizen to get foreign aid for college, right? Hence the need to hide his college records.”
This is completely FALSE!!!!!
Obama was a MINOR! No ones American citizenship can be taken away by anyone else! Not parents, not foreign governments, not by the U.S. government except a few rare exceptions like joining a foreign military and waging war on the United States. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF! AFTER the age of majority (18).
“You cannot become a naturalized citizen and renounce your U.S. citizenship until after you reach the age of majority, and your parent or guardian cannot renounce your citizenship for you.”
Read more: How to Forfeit Your U.S. Citizenship | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6618536_forfeit-u_s_-citizenship.html#ixzz226wOhtRc
“No ones American citizenship can be taken away by anyone else!”
Okay, but is it possible Barry was never a US citizen to begin with, or he renounced it when he became 18?
I never implied his citizeship was taken away, just maybe he is hiding SOMETHING.
If someone gets adopted and changes their name to the adoptive parent’s, is it common to “update” the BC?
> Whats happening in America right now is twilight zone
> material. There is an evil that has possessed the minds
> of millions. I dont know how else to describe it.
You’re right about that. Brainwashing and cult following come to mind.
Thanks. Have read and understand all about Cultural Marxism and listened to Yuri Bezmenov’s videos-—where he explains the “cognitive dissonance” created by the conditioning of young children in the school system which is documented by Charlotte Iserbyt and BK Eakman, J.T. Gatto and many others who studied the curricula in American schools. I’ve also taught in the schools and was “exposed” to their “Situational Ethics” and the forced ideas in the curricula to destroy children’s thought processes—destroy the Christian paradigm which shaped the USA.
Like Yuri stated-—once their foundational “thinking” is corrupted, it is almost impossible to use logic and reason with them. It is why Liberalism/Progressivism seems like a mental illness. They “feel” what is right-—and have no knowledge of the Classics to understand the Nature of Man and what is True. They don’t even realize how ignorant they truly are-—and how their foundation is made up of total lies.
History is eliminated or always twisted by Marxism—meanings of words corrupted—to shape perceptions of reality-—like in The Brave New World and 1984.
Useful idiots will believe anything—such as Up is Down— because they have no fundamental principles based in reality (no knowledge of true history) and understanding of the history of ideas (philosophy) and the need of a Higher Power if freedom is going to actually exist for any individual.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I now have some new names to research.
You have beautifully expressed the results of having foundational thinking corrupted. What an insidious, diabolical, and effective tactic.