Whachoo tawkin bout Willis?
Posted on 07/30/2012 3:34:27 AM PDT by tobyhill
The White House is expected to OK federal standards in the next few weeks that will nearly double vehicle gas mileage for vehicles by 2025, as automotive dealers warn the changes could slam the recovering retail car industry because they will come with sticker prices that will keep buyers off their lots.
The recommendations call for “fleet wide” gas mileage of 54.4 miles a gallon by 2015 -- essentially the average gas mileage for cars, trucks, vans and all other vehicles in a model year.
The Environmental Protection Agency and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration submitted their proposed 2017-2025 fuel-efficiency recommendations in mid-July to the administration’s Office of Management and Budget.
“Dealers support fuel economy increases,” Bailey Wood, a National Automobile Dealers Association spokesman told FoxNews.com Saturday. “But if dealers cannot put vehicles on the road, we cannot reduce greenhouse gases or our dependence of foreign oil.”
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
It’s taken over 100 years to get fleet gas mileage to 30 now they think they can get to 54 mpg in the next 3 years?
Somebody is smoking dope.
They don’t want you to have your own car.
The ultimate freedom is being able to jump in your own conveyance and go wherever you want, whenever you want.
You cannot control people who are that free.
Gasoline at $5+ per gallon, new cars starting at $35,000, “safety” and environmental gadgetry that is prohibitively expensive to repair, road regulations that force older cars off the road, exorbitant insurance rates, and the dwindling buying power of the Middle Class will force more people into the cities to use “public transportation”, making them ever more dependent upon the totalitarian collectivist state.
If you mandated a car be made out of very light-weight metals and mandated that 3-cylinder light-turbo cars be the norm....then 54 mpg is very possible. Moving the national speed limit to 50 mph would also help. Course, none of these are very acceptable except in California.
Whachoo tawkin bout Willis?
That's what I think too. Just like they don't want people to have the freedom to fly.
New cars are already unaffordable for many of us and another cash for clunkers program will drive us to bicycles.
Ford's Trade-In: Truck to Use Aluminum in Place of Steel
Next, they'll be writing in new rules and regulations mandating warp drive technology.
Either that's a typo and they mean "2025", or the Obamanistas have concluded it's the only way people are ever going to start buying Chevy Volts.
(Everything these idiots do hurts "their people" more than the people they are trying to "get even" with - "Cash for Clunkers" decreased the supply of used cars, and so raised used car prices. Who is most likely to want to buy a cheap, used car? The Republican demographic or the Democrat demographic?)
The Democrat car dealers thought they were okay. Dictators dictate.
All the illegals are just ahead of our times. They drive rat rods with no insurance so they can dump them and run if necessary. Sounds like the future to me! ;-)
We aren’t talking aboiut one car here. We are talking fleet mileage.
In order to make up for their SUV’s the smaller cars they sell would have to get 75 Mpg. Then they would have to be able to sell these little golf carts.
A two car family used to be a car for mom and one for dad. In the future it will be a three car family. One to drive and two for parts. ;-)
Oh, they can do it, but all the cars will have to be the size of these new Fiats I see running around town, not real cars.
That new Fiat doesn’t get near 54 MPG.
Nor does the Smart car.
* "Oh yes we can do it, but @ what cost"...( After all this is Physics)
* The "thinker" type when asked about so will are chassis be as exotic as Formula One cars for Materials? the answer was that won't even get us their.....
* One interviewee on the Frank Beckmann program (auto guy) let it slip they essentially went along with our lear deader as to not get in his cross hairs and hope to "revisit" this down the road.
Pray for a regime change...
You nailed it.
From California (of course) -
Neighborhood Electric Vehicle Low Speed Vehicle and Golf Cart Information FFVR 37
Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV)/Low-Speed Vehicle (LSV) and Golf Cart On-Road Registration Checklist
To register your NEV/LSV or golf cart you may need:
A properly completed Application for Title or Registration (REG 343).
The out-of-state title or Manufacturer’s Certificate/Statement of Origin.
A vehicle verification (REG 31) completed by an authorized DMV employee or law enforcement officer.
Registration fees.
For a golf cart only: A Statement of Facts (REG 256) completed by the vehicle owner or authorized representative that states the vehicle meets the definition of a golf cart (per California Vehicle Code [CVC] §345) and has not been modified.
If your golf cart is gasoline powered it must have a label certifying the vehicle complies with California emissions requirements to be eligible for on road use.
Appointment(s) are recommended for faster service.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr37.htm
The '40s and '50s vintage cars in Cuba were simple and rugged; many of them have had engines from other parts of the globe swapped in (which the Cuban government was smart enough to allow).
The current crop of vehicles isn't likely to be as easy to keep on the road for 50+ years, nor will *our* Communist regime allow us to even try.
Its all part of the plan. Obama and the Libs want us living in cities, using public transportation and riding bikes. It’s much easier to exercise dictatorial control and community “values” in cities.
It’s too late. They are already unaffordable for most people. That’s why used prices are climbing.
LOL! really? that is why Seniors will retire in tax free and estate tax free Republican States. California is so screwed
And in these other states can buy the engine upgrade kits for their golf carts...
I am not kidding, Hop-Up kits, re-engine kits and 4 wheel disc brake kits exist as well...
We’re being coerced into buying less efficient electric vehicles - or walking.
Concur. Its no accident the Young are increasingly saying no to cars. Just another step on the Europeanization of America.
How did we allow these democrats/marxist to do this to us?
Government shouldn't be able to tell us what kind of car to buy or tell companies what to produce. That is socialism/communism.
This is against freedom. This isn't what America was or is supposed to be .
This isn't America. This isn't freedom . America is supposed to be freedom not govrenment control . What's wrong with these government idiots and sheep(democrats) that accept this? WE have to reduce government . These government idiots shouldn't be allowed to do all of these millions of things they are doing. Government shouldn't be allowed to tell companies what kind of car or soda to produce. Government shouldn't only be allowed to do a HANDFUL of things. Numerically limit government . It's the only way to rein in these democrat monsters. I want freedom and CW 2 now.
For some reason I remembered hearing about the golf carts several years ago. I have noticed that more and more cities are adding bike paths and bike lanes. That is probably our transportation of the future, like most third-world countries.
How did we allow these democrats/marxists to do this to us?
Government shouldn't be able to tell us what kind of car to buy or tell companies what to produce. That is socialism/communism.
This is against freedom. This isn't what America was or is supposed to be .
This isn't America. This isn't freedom . America is supposed to be freedom not government control . What's wrong with these government idiots and sheep(democrats) that accept this? WE have to reduce government . These government idiots shouldn't be allowed to do all of these millions of things they are doing. Government shouldn't be allowed to tell companies what kind of car or soda to produce. Government should only be allowed to do a HANDFUL of things. Numerically limit government . It's the only way to rein in these democrat monsters. I want freedom and CW 2 now.
———— Moving the national speed limit to 50 mph would also help———
That would induce a depression. Commerce will slow costs to rise precipitously
California restricts trucks to 66 and is dying.
At some point if you make a car to light it has a tendency to want to become airborne. Their is a limit to everything.
used cars are where it’s at
What a mess...
Don’t worry. The Obama Recession already makes new vehicles unaffordable for most people. The new fuel standards are irrelevant with the rest of the destruction.
——California restricts trucks to 66 and is dying.——
That would be “California restricts trucks to 55 and is dying.”
The leftists looked at a red-blue map and concluded the best way to drain power form the red areas is to make suburban and rural living prohibitively expensive. The theory is once those Bible thumping conservatives are brought into the hive they will be assimilated. The auto, cheap gas and cheap electricity are bad things to the leftist fascist.
You're right. I went to the Fiat site and it only gets about 38 mpg! - highway!
I get 34 highway in my Camry, and it is a comfortable ,stable, safe car.
This little death trap is only a fad car.
Something that small should get at least 45 MPG.
There is no way they will get 54 MPG fleet mileage by 2015.
They should just make it 1000 mpg and call it good. They could slap themselves on the back and claim victory over all.
The left doesn’t want people to have cars and be free. Simple as that.
Diesel is the way to better fuel economy, but they will won’t ever go down that path. The Jetta TDI’s are a comfortable sedan and get upwards of 60MPG.
You are right. Obama said he would make electricity rates skyrocket. He is well on his way.
FUBO
“road regulations that force older cars off the road”
This is the part that’s going to get very tricky. Somehow they have to get the older cars off the road, without violating the sacred alter of SOCIAL JUSTICE (i.e., without punishing the poor).
They will come up with something. Maybe huge vehicle registration charges for everyone as their cars get older, but then a huge rebate to “the poor” so that they can buy new replacements. Who knows? But something...
-—— but they will won’t ever go down that path.——
They are already on that path if you don’t limit they to Chrysler, GM and Ford.
VW, BMW and Mercedes will kill the three above with diesels. I have such a vehicle and it is truly a marvel. It is six years old and going strong
I am privy to a study performed jointly by GM and the casualty insurance industry, which revealed the following:
The driver’s side seat belt, when buckled, increases the survivability of a front-end collision by 65%. When the driver’s side air bag is added, it provides another 5% survivability.
The passenger side seat belt afforded 85% increased survivability, with the air bag adding a statistical benefit close to zero. Note the reference here is to survivability and no claim was made as to reduced injury.
The study was presented when the government, already having mandated the driver’s side airbag, was attempting (and, of course, succeeded) in mandating the passenger side airbag.
The argument by the auto makers was that there was negligible benefit to the passenger inflatable restraint, and it was predicted that there may be other dangerous consequences, and of course, an extra five hundred dollars was added to the cost to produce.
The “other dangerous consequences” turned out to be the death of several under 80 pound children, and the fact that the passenger airbag many times breaks the windshield during a collision.
In short, you cannot buy a vehicle without the passenger air bag, but it has near-zero value to safety, especially when the cost and the safety negatives are factored in.
The other mandated plagues to the manufacturers include the oxygen sensors in the exhaust, which constantly go bad at a tremendous cost to the car makers (and ultimately to you), and the Tire Pressure Monitors, which cause more trouble than they save, because the air in your tires expands and contracts with temperature extremes, rendering the monitors valueless when compared to added cost by virtue of needless visits to the repair shop to turn the lights off.
Your vehicles would be several thousand dollars cheaper without these mandates of dubious value.
Don’t worry. The government will provide emergency credit facilities to help car buyers.
cars made before 1959, anyway.
Too late. Most cars are already unaffordable.
———The other mandated plagues to the manufacturers include the oxygen sensors in the exhaust, which constantly go bad at a tremendous cost to the car makers (and ultimately to you),-——
Thank you, thank you, thank you......... The engine light came on and I took it to the dealer. Diagnosis: “lazy oxygen sensor”
Subsequently I asked about it and was advised not to worry if the O2 sensor was out because it essentially did nothing important. Replacement cost $453
I now have some confirmation
Vehicle Dodge Sprinter with 5 cylinder turbo diesel
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