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Where Is John Galt?
Townhall.com ^ | July 30, 2012 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 07/30/2012 5:45:37 AM PDT by Kaslin

Where is a man who can save us? A man of virtue and action who can rebuild our economy and culture? We must find a true-to-life John Galt.

I think America’s best shot at economic recovery and restoring constitutional freedom is to nurture men and women who emulate the virtues of John Galt, a hero in Ayn Rand’s magnum opus novel, Atlas Shrugged. Galt is a man of unparalleled virtue, intelligence and action in a fictional U.S. economy that is eerily identical to the present-day U.S. economy.

Galt is an American inventor who lives and breathes his philosophy: “I swear—by my life and my love of it—that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” What Galt means is that he will earn happiness through his virtues of: “…rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.”

In Atlas Shrugged, college professors, state scientists and government bureaucrats advocate “shared sacrifice” which is code for theft, lust and brute force. In the novel, most American citizens choose short-term pleasure and a false sense of security over the truth, enabling the government to turn against productive entrepreneurs.

The government annihilates private property rights and passes regulations like the “Anti-dog-eat-dog Rule” that outlaw basic competition and free trade. The scientific community becomes a branch of the government (much like today’s situation with Obamacare, the HHA, the EPA and socialized green tech). And Americans who once drove cars are soon driving covered wagons.

The U.S., as depicted in Atlas, is similar to today’s reality where Americans are increasingly falling for the government’s anti-wealth mantra. Pew reports as of July 16 that: “By two-to-one (44% to 22%), the public says that raising taxes on incomes above $250,000 would help the economy rather than hurt it...[even among Americans who identify themselves as ‘Republicans,’ only a minority of] 41% say this would hurt the economy…”

And, like the government stooges in Atlas, our President is telling Americans that he will make business owners pay more taxes and this will somehow create jobs. Obama recently pitched his plan at a July 13 campaign stop in Roanoke, VA: “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. … If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that! Somebody else made that happen!”

What Obama failed to mention is that entrepreneurial Americans will not stick around and pay the highest effective corporate income tax rate in the world (a federal/state integrated rate of 39.2 percent). The U.S. government is even threatening foreign banks that allow wealthy Americans respite from our high tax rates. Beginning in 2012, “Foreign banks that once offered secrecy will have to report on their U.S. clients or else face 30% fines on their U.S. investments…” reports TIME Magazine.

Well, self-made entrepreneurs are packing up and saying, “See ya, Uncle Sam!” Think billionaire co-founder of Facebook Inc., Eduardo Saverin who renounced his U.S. citizenship in May to become a resident of Singapore. And Saverin is not alone. TIME reports that a record numbers of American citizens (1,788 individuals in 2011) are relinquishing their U.S. citizenship.

In Atlas, entrepreneurs flee to Galt’s Gulch—an isolated community where “men of the mind” go on “strike” and refuse to use their talents to advance socialism. Let’s prevent our country from heading toward this scenario—where we lose our best and brightest, as well as our freedom.

So what does America need to do in order to attract and retain the ‘John Galt’ types who will save her economy and culture? Here are my suggestions:

1.) Take Galt’s advice and “…start by abolishing all income taxes.”

2.) Stop devaluing the U.S. dollar. Rand describes an economy that is much like ours: “The wads of worthless paper money were growing heavier in the pockets of the nation, but there was less and less for that money to buy. …the printing presses of the government were running a race with starvation, and losing.” Galt tells the government, “…there are no funds behind your blank check.”

3.) Never believe force will inspire entrepreneurs to innovate. Galt tells government bureaucrats that an entrepreneur under force will “become a robot.”

4.) Let entrepreneurs produce. Consider adding Rand’s phrase to the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade…”

5.) Live the philosophy of thinkers like Rand, Aristotle, Aquinas, Madison, Hamilton, Thoreau and Locke. We cannot simply etch profound ideas into D.C. monuments and then forget about them.

6.) Eliminate all anti-business rules. As Galt’s sweetheart and entrepreneur Dagny Taggart counsels: “Start decontrolling. ...Start lifting taxes and removing controls.”

Next week, I will continue this discussion. Meanwhile, I encourage you to read Atlas Shrugged.


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1 posted on 07/30/2012 5:45:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If a modern-day John Galt is out there, if you know who he is and what he’s doing, he’s not doing it right, is he?


2 posted on 07/30/2012 5:50:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t know but I hope he contacts me soon.


3 posted on 07/30/2012 5:52:21 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Kaslin
We must find a true-to-life John Galt

Thou art the man.

If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself.

"A man who has a vision is not able to use the power of it until after he has performed the vision on earth for the people to see" -- Black Elk, Lakota shaman

4 posted on 07/30/2012 5:58:05 AM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: Kaslin

Live the philosophy just like Ayn Rand who like the rest of us contemptible parasites took Social Security.


5 posted on 07/30/2012 5:59:30 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Kaslin

Although the book is well worth the time it takes to read (I’ve read it twice now).... if you just can’t find the time, the movie is a good substitute. It will take 3 movies to tell the whole story. Movie 1 has been out a while, and is showing on Netflix now. Movie 2 is supposed to be released October 2012


6 posted on 07/30/2012 6:01:52 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: kevkrom

he’s not doing it right, is he?
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The lights are still on ... we haven’t seen order 10-289 sent down from Obummer yet (although it’s close) ... Who is John Galt? you are John Galt , I am John Galt ...


7 posted on 07/30/2012 6:04:13 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Kaslin

JG is running the Tea Party.


8 posted on 07/30/2012 6:07:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin; Mrs. Don-o
I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine

If that's his thing, whatever. My goal is to live for others, following the examples of Christ, of St. Francis, of St. Maximilian Kolbe, of St. Teresa of Calcutta. Some days I don't do very well at laying down my life or taking up my cross, but that's the goal.

If the economic solid waste impacts the sociological rotating blades, I have no intention of "going Galt." I will "go St. Francis," and give everything away, first.

9 posted on 07/30/2012 6:10:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("To contracept is to rebuke a woman for being a woman." ~ Donald DeMarco)
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To: Kaslin

How about an actual person, such as Davy Crockett or William B. Travis, who have inspired Texans for generations?

A fictional “action hero:” simply can’t generate the same devotion.


10 posted on 07/30/2012 6:13:39 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Kaslin

The last guy who tried to give the Federal Reserve a run, literally, for it’s money is sitting in a jail cell. Convicted of counterfeiting an “alternate” currency that never claimed to be “Federal” money.


11 posted on 07/30/2012 6:19:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Kaslin

—Where is a man who can save us? A man of virtue and action who can rebuild our economy and culture? We must find a true-to-life John Galt. —

If one has read the book, they will know when John Galt made himself known to the general public. We are not there yet. We will get there.

But I doubt there is a John Galt.


12 posted on 07/30/2012 6:20:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

When the going gets tough, John Galt whines and runs away to hide. Is that the kind of hero you want?


13 posted on 07/30/2012 6:22:38 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kaslin

The problem is, as Ayn Rand stated in her non-fiction books and in Atlas shrugged, that the dominant moral code in the country is based on Altruism; a code that holds that man has no right to exist for his own sake and must serve others to justify his existence. Ayn Rand has proven it beyond doubt in her books. You see it everywhere in TV shows, news commentary, schools, books and newspapers, in politicians speeches and in government programs. It is taught every Sunday in churches all across the land especially, although in a different form. The fundamental premise is exactly the same as that of socialism and Marxism and of the Nazis and every malevolent dictator who has ever lived. It is drummed into us from our earliest memories in children’s shows and Sunday school. And don’t get me started on college campuses. What chance does someone who wants to put into practice John Galt’s philosophy have to get elected in that environment when even most conservatives, including the vast majority of the TEA party, have bought into the lethal premise of Altruism? None. Barack Obama is the logical product of that philosophy and even his staunchest enemies accept his basic moral premises. It will all have to come crashing down just as it did in Atlas Shrugged. Hopefully there will be plenty of john Galts around to rebuild it under a different code. The one the country was originally founded on which is the fictional John Gault’s philosophy.


14 posted on 07/30/2012 6:28:33 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: txrefugee
Crockett and Travis are anti-Galts: they died for a cause bigger than themselves, and for the lasting glory of the beau geste.
15 posted on 07/30/2012 6:28:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("To contracept is to rebuke a woman for being a woman." ~ Donald DeMarco)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Why go after Social Security recipients? They did pay into the system not like other welfare recipients.


16 posted on 07/30/2012 6:29:05 AM PDT by notomarx
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Why shouldn’t she take it. She paid into it, or was forced to. Why shouldn’t she recover every penny she could? She was entitled to take it precisely because she was against it in the first place.


17 posted on 07/30/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve been kvetching about this for some time now. Nobody wants to go galt.

The person you need to step up is YOU. Do you produce wealth? Do you surrender it to the government on demand? Then you are funding America’s destruction.

You can whine all you please online, grumble through your keyboard about America’s decline, but if you are paying your taxes, your actions speak louder.

The Founders had careers too. They had families to support. Bills to pay. They put everything on the line.

If the government were faced with a legal tax revolt — the productive taxpayers suddenly going unproductive in order to deprive the government of taxes — the government would surrender promptly and beg for mercy.

Instead, you want to keep voting and hoping for relief that never comes. It’s 2012, you SEE what’s inevitably coming, and still you do nothing that makes any difference.

And don’t crow about your guns. If you surrender your money you’ll surrender your guns, when the demand comes. Even if you didn’t, they’d just wait until you went to work (to pay your taxes) and then they’d go in and take your guns. And your precious keyboard too.


18 posted on 07/30/2012 6:34:36 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: Tax-chick

“My goal is to live for others”

Then why don’t you vote for President Obama?


19 posted on 07/30/2012 6:34:42 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: albionin

I get what you are saying on an intellectual level, but altruism is part of human nature. We are built to work with each other. We are made for each other. We are social creatures. The key is to balance altruism with individualism. Rand’s philosophy does not allow for this simple reality, and that’s why Objectivism never works in the real world.


20 posted on 07/30/2012 6:39:19 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: notomarx

I’m not going after Social Security recipients. That’s the last thing I’d want to do. I was making an ironic post about ideological purity.


21 posted on 07/30/2012 6:40:40 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Live the philosophy just like Ayn Rand who like the rest of us contemptible parasites took Social Security.

It would appear you've not read Atlas Shrugged. Somewhere in the middle there's a scene in which one of the good guys presents another with a bar of gold taken from the looters. It's offered as a partial restoration of the wealth taken from him in taxes.

Rand was fully entitled to take Social Security and a lot more. If some pirate had seized a US govt shipment of gold and given her a portion, she would have accepted it proudly and been able to tell you exactly why -- while standing on one foot.

22 posted on 07/30/2012 6:40:42 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: albionin

I did not vote for Obama because I didn’t want him to be President. I didn’t want McCain to be President, either, but he might have been better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick; at least, there was a chance.

However, that is irrelevant. Voting is irrelevant, in fact, to the point I am making. A Christian’s duty of self-surrender cannot be delegated: it has to be personal, deliberate, and motivated by gratitude and love.


23 posted on 07/30/2012 6:41:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("To contracept is to rebuke a woman for being a woman." ~ Donald DeMarco)
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To: Lady Lucky

You are so right and the fact is that it wouldn’t take that many. The way our tax code is set up if the top 5% just stopped working and earning income and lived off of their accumulated wealth it would come crashing down in short order. But the most productive among us live to produce. If they stopped working they would die and the Altruists know it. It is their own virtues that they use as the weapon against them.


24 posted on 07/30/2012 6:42:11 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: LongWayHome

Rand got John Galt wrong.

The communist party of China has taken over a lot of production, due to one aspect: COST.

The communist party of China has the numbers, and the difference in wages, to win this contest. If we continue this same tactic of allowing them to take over.

We must. Must get aggressive.

We also must, start playing defense.

As well as offense. Both defense AND offense are critical.

Now.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 6:44:18 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Kaslin

Ain’t gonna happen. The Communist “Long March Through the Institutions” has been so successfully destructive of our nation that it is now only possible to turn this around when they have done all they can peacefully, and people revolt, either from the Left or the Right.

When that time comes (soon? . . . . ), I rather hope we have a George Washington than a John Galt.


26 posted on 07/30/2012 6:44:22 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kaslin
Stop devaluing the U.S. dollar.

Few realize the dollar does not float arbitrarily. The dollar has a declared standard of value: mundane labor. Thanks to the minimum wage laws, a dollar is worth 8.28 minutes of simple work which pretty much anybody can do with negligible training.

27 posted on 07/30/2012 7:00:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Tax-chick

bingo.

Rand was very prophetic despite her atheism.
She absolutely nails faulty socialist un-logic to the wall.

But objectivism as a personal philosophy in approaching life?

Completely incompatible with the christian message.

Notice the childlessness of Dagney.
And how Dagney manages to have rip-roarin’ rolls in the hay without the nasty consequence of pregnancy.

It is very easy in fictionland to live for oneself and no one else when the laws of nature need not apply.


28 posted on 07/30/2012 7:01:00 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Kaslin

The continuing search for what doesn’t exist.

There is no hero who can “turn things around”.

There is no brilliant policy which will change the economic situation.

Only time can heal the USA and the world.

Keep Obama and the time will be longer, and the suffering will be worse.

American rank and file citizens must face facts, and many don’t want to face facts yet.

The entire world is in debt that cannot be serviced and must be deleveraged. The leadership is delaying the inevitable through various extend and pretend policies which are all just delaying tactics.

This situation requires a depression. We are having one, in slow motion due to the policies of those who control the financial levers. They prefer slow motion to extensive rioting and harsh deflation followed by inflation.

They will get all of the above anyway. There is no easy way out.


29 posted on 07/30/2012 7:01:25 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Tax-chick
Me too. I'm just reading a biography of Jeanne Jugan. Them was some tough women, back then. And thank you for re-introducing me to the phrase "beau geste."

I hope I can at least be "on your team." "St. Tax-Chick of the Complete Horde, and *Companions*, Flamboyant and Martyrs."

30 posted on 07/30/2012 7:01:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Eat Mor Chikin." - William Shakespeare, Mark Twain and/or the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Tax-chick
I'm old enough to remember when churches took care of the poor and needy. Not only did the government take over but churches encouraged the government funded programs.

It has come back to bite them in the butt because now the government is telling the churches what they can and can't do.

31 posted on 07/30/2012 7:03:38 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: albionin
If they stopped working they would die and the Altruists know it. It is their own virtues that they use as the weapon against them.

I don't believe they'd die. They wouldn't even have to stop for very long.

But if I have to die for my country, I'll take it on the porch rocker now, rather than in the coming chaos of a full meltdown, catastrophe, martial law, confiscation, seizure, glass-busting, tank-rolling rodeo. Imagine that, and it makes early retirement and porch warming look easy.

32 posted on 07/30/2012 7:04:17 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: ctdonath2

The value of the US$ can be measured in several other more meaningful ways.

The standard most can see and feel is gasoline. The price of gasoline has not risen, the value of the US$ measured in gallons of gasoline has declined.

The same is true when measured against an ounce of silver or gold.

In the current congressional mindset, the minimum wage actually lags. That is the inflation of wages is lagging the devaluation of the US$. The current minimum wage acknowledges rather exacerbates (leads) economic inflation.


33 posted on 07/30/2012 7:07:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Kirkwood
When the going gets tough, John Galt whines and runs away to hide. Is that the kind of hero you want?

Hmmm...you haven't read the book, have you?

He spent his annual vacation at Galt's Gulch. The rest of the year, he was at his job at Taggart Transcontinental, and spending his leisure time working on his projects at his dingy little apartment.

34 posted on 07/30/2012 7:07:49 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Lady Lucky
If the government were faced with a legal tax revolt — the productive taxpayers suddenly going unproductive in order to deprive the government of taxes — the government would surrender promptly and beg for mercy.

I try to personally, legally, starve the beast. I try to avoid anything with an attached tax, or find a way to pay less. I will not voluntarily be used as a slave simply because the self serving politicians need my sweat equity to buy votes for themselves.

I by used, make my own, swap services for services. I buy used cars (less consumer tax) and drive them until they die (I call them "disposable"). We do our own car repairs. Books on car repair for any vehicle are easily accessible.

I use food products to make my own cleaning supplies as much as possible. Food is non-taxable. A search engine will offer ideas if anyone else is interested.

I don't buy prepared food. It's taxable. I cook my own. If we travel, we go in groups (gas taxes) and pack food for the trip (Chic Fil A is the only exception to the rule right now) .

I buy from E-Bay, Amazon PERSONAL sellers, flea markets (all non-taxable for now).
I prefer non electric items, because why pay the extra taxes on the electric bill? Besides, with the economic situation today, tomorrow there may not be electricity available.

After awhile, this becomes more of a game and a lifestyle. Not only does it help us and not the politicians, it gives us something more productive to do than sit in front of a TV all day, whine about taxes, and simply pay.

If every tax slave in the country tried their best to avoid attached taxes, even if just a little, the beast would be left with very little to eat.

We can survive without the governments money, but the government can't survive without ours.

35 posted on 07/30/2012 7:09:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kirkwood
When the going gets tough, John Galt whines and runs away to hide. Is that the kind of hero you want?

In Atlas Shrugged John Galt just made a collapsing system collapse faster so it can be rebuilt in his way. That's the Cloward-Piven strategy with a right turn at the end rather than a left turn.

36 posted on 07/30/2012 7:09:40 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: Lady Lucky

No offense, but bullcrap.

Utter bullcrap.

There is one way out, and one way out only. PRODUCE.

As much as possible. Government intervention is defeat.

Buy American. Build American. Protect American.


37 posted on 07/30/2012 7:11:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Tax-chick
My goal is to live for others

To live for others can mean many different things. Did you read AS? Do you want to live your life to please them? to get their approval? What if their desires are enslavement? Slaves live for others - others enjoyment and profit. To be a Christian is to live for Christ, not for approval of the world.

38 posted on 07/30/2012 7:15:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I was going to engage, but on second thought your usual muscular argument should stand naked on its merits. :)

(Anyway I’m not even sure you are replying to the correct post!)


39 posted on 07/30/2012 7:18:29 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: LongWayHome

It did work in the real world. Look at the success of this country. Now you see it being destroyed by “trying to balance Altruism and individualism”. Don’t you see that they are incompatible. It’s either one or the other. Capitalism and the free market, private property and free speech can not exist under the Altruist morality. And as the moral code of Altruism comes to be practiced more fully as it is today you see all of these things being destroyed. We are not made for each other. We are social beings but not in the way it is preached in our society. We are created as individuals. Every man is an island. There is nothing wrong with helping people and being kind to others and giving money to those who are struggling, so long as it is voluntary. But if you accept the premise that you exist to serve others, that it is your duty, then what objections can you have when you are taxed at a higher rate or your property is taken and given to someone else? Really. Objectivism will work precisely because it is based on the real world and on Human nature. Look at the Declaration of Independence and you see Objectivism so eloquently stated in a single paragraph. This country was founded on the principles of Objectivism but from the very start it was infected with Altruism and as has happened all throughout Human history the majority have chosen to follow that path and take a look at the result: Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Hillary Clinton, Tim Geitner, Chuck Schumer, George W. Bush. How about Social Security, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps, Obamacare, The war on Poverty, The minimum wage, the National Labor Relations board, the EPA, the Green Energy Initiative, Farm Subsidies, Ethanol subsidies, the National Endowment for the Arts, NPR, Affirmative action, Slavery, Jim crow laws, racism, multi-culturalism, political correctness and the list goes on and on. All of these evils are based on the moral code of Altruism. The basic premise that a man’s life is not his property but belongs to the state or his brothers or God. That he has no right to exist except to serve others.


40 posted on 07/30/2012 7:19:00 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: Kirkwood
When the going gets tough, John Galt whines and runs away to hide. Is that the kind of hero you want?

That is your conclusion. Another way to say it would be, "John Galt did not want to work as a slave, so he dropped out of society."

If you consider the current direction of the coutry, people like Barack Obama are counting on one thing - that the productive people in society, at the end of the day, will continue to be productive. Extending that line of logic, those who are productive, will continue to offer goods and services that the rest of the country wants, and will continue to pay whatever taxes are foisted upon them.

John Galt didn't "run away and hide," as you claim; he simply chose not to be a slave any longer. Liberals counted on a Galt-like group of people to always be there. If you would rather "stay and fight," at what point do you tip over? When does your hard work pay off? How do you change the status quo?

41 posted on 07/30/2012 7:26:18 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Kaslin

The vast majority doesn’t want to give up their own government pork. Until a year or so ago the nation’s biggest “entitlement” was the single payer socialized schooling system. Even among people who are otherwise conservative few are willing to wean themselves from the government tit.


42 posted on 07/30/2012 7:26:47 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Lady Lucky

Excellent post!

We need to start walking the talk, if you will.

We all need to go galt. To begin, we need to have a coordinated week long strike of all the business owners and workers in the country who are sick of being denigrated as greedy capitalist pigs by the left. Shut the country down for one week to show who really produces.


43 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:07 AM PDT by ladyrustic (Get in the face of a liberal in honor of Breitbart.)
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To: Tax-chick
If that's his thing, whatever. My goal is to live for others, following the examples of Christ,

The problem in the U.S. isn't the truly needy. If we all helped the truly needy, the needy would want for nothing.

The problem is the wanting segment of our society. Jesus himself simply looked at the wanting blind man - who was faking his blindness to get free handouts rather than work - because there was no reason to help him when he could very easily help himself.

I doubt anyone has a problem with those in need. I have a big problem helping those who are simply in want. That's where I draw the line on "charity."

I'll bet at least 75% of those on social programs today are able bodied, and have no legitimate excuse not to work. They're just too lazy, and we tax payers are being used as political slaves to guarantee them everything they want in exchange for their vote.

Do you really think Christ would approve of this ?? No, he wouldn't, and didn't. He taught people to live without Cesar. He taught people to survive on their own. When they survive on their own, and everyone who can work does (If you don't work you don't eat), there's no problem with sharing the fruits of everyones labor (and it's volentary).

44 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:42 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Lady Lucky

Look you are fighting the wrong fight, it would appear.

America is everything. Everything.

China. Europe. Russia. South America. All of those places are NOT America, and frankly do not matter.

America is key. Everything.

We need to get back to that focus.


45 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:24 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: albionin
"You are so right and the fact is that it wouldn’t take that many. The way our tax code is set up if the top 5% just stopped working and earning income and lived off of their accumulated wealth it would come crashing down in short order. But the most productive among us live to produce. If they stopped working they would die and the Altruists know it. It is their own virtues that they use as the weapon against them."

Unfortunately, unless we are able to turn them out via the ballot box, I think it will take more. If there is a reduction in tax receipts, they will pass a capital assets tax. If that isn't enough, they will start nationalizing businesses and the Fed will continue to just create more money. November is the last chance to pull back from the brink. Fascistic governments and other forms of totalitarianism ultimately consume their host country and end violently. Sometimes, it takes a very long time - like Cuba which still limps along.

46 posted on 07/30/2012 7:32:54 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Lady Lucky

Then why don’t they? Because they are too in love with life and because they live by one code when it comes to their own life but by another in their dealings with others. They are trying to “balance individualism and Altruism”.


47 posted on 07/30/2012 7:33:39 AM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: concerned about politics

Yes, I’m not talking about “social programs.” I’m talking about the individual service of one person towards others, because only an individual (or a few individuals) has even a chance of helping others with their real needs.


48 posted on 07/30/2012 7:34:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("To contracept is to rebuke a woman for being a woman." ~ Donald DeMarco)
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To: albionin

You can’t cut altrusim out of human nature. That only works in fiction. Objectivism, in the end, became just another cult. Human beings are never going to be some kind of cut-out figures in an Ayn Rand novel. There’s a reason why must people move past Ayn Rands’s philosophy after they reach college age. Altrusim is part of human natue....it’s not some kind of philosophy that we pick up from a book. It’s all about balancing the needs of ourselves & others in making a society work. I love the individualism that the United States has, until the recent troubles, been founded upon; but the Randian world-view that altrusim is the cause of mankinds downfall is foolish. Life is more complicated than the screaming cardboard figures that Rand has drawn.


49 posted on 07/30/2012 7:42:58 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: concerned about politics

I salute you for doing your part!

Now, as to ebay and amazon...Nothing wrong with buying from ebay and amazon, but let me tell you they are very difficult on those smaller sellers. On ebay for example, a seller can add shipping costs to the price of an item, but he won’t get that money or any other funds from the sale, until 3 weeks after he ships at his own expense. Paypal and ebay will see to it. Amazon also keeps a seller waiting, while demanding that they ship and trust Amazon. Ebay’s latest policy atrocity is to offer buyers the option of a “partial refund” when they’re not satisfied. Thus if a buyer doesn’t care for the price he willingly paid he can always plan on being dissatisfied, maybe get himself a retroactive discount; it’s all up to ebay arbitration, and ebay tends to favor the buyer. (Read ebay’s community forums sometime, see what sellers’ experiences have been.)

Therefore while I admit ebay is a buyer’s paradise (especially for bad faith buyers looking to take advantage), I take any opportunity that presents itself, to recommend bonanza.com. They treat their sellers far better, listings are free; they don’t try to police communications between sellers and buyers; they permit sellers to state that they will accept money orders and checks. They don’t hold the funds or let Paypal hold them. Sellers don’t have to ship until payment is in their hands, literally.

Bonanza hasn’t the quantity and variety of bigger sites, but if you’re looking for something, please look there first!


50 posted on 07/30/2012 7:43:32 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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