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Harry Truman grandson to visit Hiroshima
The Telegraph ^ | 30 July 2012 | Martin Foster

Posted on 07/30/2012 5:10:13 PM PDT by moonshot925

Clifton Truman Daniel will visit Japan from August 2, and attend ceremonies in Hiroshima August 6, and Nagasaki on August 9, according to Kyodo News as reported in the Nihon Keizai Shinbun.

It is the first time a member of the late president’s family will attend the ceremonies, and will holds a deep symbolic meaning for the Japanese.

Public papers from his time in office reveal a man with no regrets about using the A-bomb, but his grandson told Kyodo News that the late-president was horrified by the destructive power of the Bomb.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; hiroshima; nagasaki; truman

1 posted on 07/30/2012 5:10:22 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

“Public papers from his time in office reveal a man with no regrets about using the A-bomb”

Every single World War II veteran that I have ever talked to felt the same way.


2 posted on 07/30/2012 5:14:10 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: moonshot925

The atomic bombs saved lives. Lots of lots of Japanese lives, and also many American lives were saved because of the bombs. I think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as possibly the greatest humanitarian acts in the 20th century.


3 posted on 07/30/2012 5:14:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: moonshot925

is he going to apologize?


4 posted on 07/30/2012 5:16:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well put. Never forget they asked us to dance we simply obliged them


5 posted on 07/30/2012 5:18:03 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: moonshot925

..hope he visits the USS Arizona too.......


6 posted on 07/30/2012 5:18:10 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: moonshot925

Truman was also hirrified by the expected death toll of American soldiers when they invaded Japan.

Truman made the right decision.


7 posted on 07/30/2012 5:19:36 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ClearCase_guy

“The atomic bombs saved lives. Lots of lots of Japanese lives, and also many American lives were saved because of the bombs. I think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as possibly the greatest humanitarian acts in the 20th century.”

No, no, no. ~Everyone~ knows that Japan was beaten and it was only a matter of time before they threw in the towel.

/idiotic revisionist history drivel.


8 posted on 07/30/2012 5:21:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: moonshot925

He should read “Flags of our Fathers” and “Unbroken” among other great books before he embarrasses both us and himself.


9 posted on 07/30/2012 5:22:01 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: forgotten man
Every single World War II veteran that I have ever talked to felt the same way.

Many Japanese at the time felt the same way - they knew it would take a shock like an atom bomb or two to move the ruling military, who were determined to drag the entire nation down to destruction with them.

10 posted on 07/30/2012 5:22:40 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: moonshot925

What was the projected casualty numbers for Operation Olympic? Something like 2.5 MILLION GIs? Not to mention the Japanese fatalities, and the fanatic civilian home guard.

If the militarists in Japan had the bomb instead, do you think that years later they’d be beating themselves up over nuking the U.S.? I doubt it.


11 posted on 07/30/2012 5:22:55 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: moonshot925

My dad was in Navy boot camp in San Diego when the atomic bombs were dropped. Later, he was assigned to a destroyer in the Pacific theater and involved in general post-war mopping-up efforts.

In the 1990s he and mom went to Japan and visited Hirohsima and Nagasaki. While there he asked one of the guides, I think it was in Hiroshima, where the Mitsubishi plant which built the torpedoes used at Pearl Harbor had been located. The guide was definitely taken aback by the request but did find the location. Dad said the facility had been obliterated in the blast.

Paybacks are a bitch.


12 posted on 07/30/2012 5:23:49 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Natural Born Citizen - born in the USA of citizen parents.)
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To: forgotten man

I know my dad had no regrets about it. After coming out of the Battle of the Bulge alive, he would have ended up in Japan, and probably dead, if that bomb hadn’t ended the war. So if this guy apologizes, let’s see if he has the nerve to also apologize for the fact that millions of WWII troops LIVED.


13 posted on 07/30/2012 5:25:35 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: SatinDoll

The torpedoes were mfg in Nagasaki. I went to Hiroshima in the 80s and was surprised at how compact the place was.


14 posted on 07/30/2012 5:26:08 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: moonshot925

Lizzie Warren is Japanese......when it’s to her benefit.


15 posted on 07/30/2012 5:26:34 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: CatherineofAragon

“WWII troops”

American, I meant to say.


16 posted on 07/30/2012 5:26:43 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The atomic bombs saved lives. Lots of lots of Japanese lives, and also many American lives were saved because of the bombs. I think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as possibly the greatest humanitarian acts in the 20th century.

Exactly.

The Potsdam Declaration of July 26, 1945 promised "prompt and utter destruction" if Japan refused to surrender.

The Japanese refused and we bombed Hiroshima eleven days later. We waited an additional three days before bombing Nagasaki.

Conservative estimates for an invasion of Japan were that at least half a million Allied deaths and five to ten million Japanese deaths. The bombs saved MILLIONS of lives on both sides.

17 posted on 07/30/2012 5:27:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: moonshot925

I read an interesting series of facts about ally activity in Japan just prior to the dropping of the two Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

In the months prior to the use of the atom bombs, the U. S. had fire-bombed between 50 and 100 cities, and had destroyed at least half of each city from the air.

Despite this, the Japanese command refused to surrender. They were determined to fight it out to the last man woman and child.

Yes, the U. S. did destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And many Japanese are alive today because of it. Many Americans are too.

I’m not happy we had to use the bomb. We did. It’s done with. I’m not second guessing it now.

Other limp wristed ankle biters can go ‘me oh my, woe is me’ all they like. And I’ll just ignore them.


18 posted on 07/30/2012 5:28:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Shadow44
What was the projected casualty numbers for Operation Olympic? Something like 2.5 MILLION GIs? Not to mention the Japanese fatalities, and the fanatic civilian home guard.

500,000 Purple Hearts were manufactured in anticipation of the invasion of Japan. These Purple Hearts were used in Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Iraq and countless other conflicts -- we still have over 100,000 left.

19 posted on 07/30/2012 5:31:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: skeeter

Thanks for the correction; Nagasaki it is.


20 posted on 07/30/2012 5:32:01 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Natural Born Citizen - born in the USA of citizen parents.)
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To: All

Firebombing of Japan

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/fire.html


21 posted on 07/30/2012 5:39:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: moonshot925
Hey,Clifton...remember one thing,any apology you might make while you're there is made

WITHOUT MY CONSENT!!


22 posted on 07/30/2012 5:56:55 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: blueunicorn6

Don’t be confused when she says she has a little Japanese in her....


23 posted on 07/30/2012 6:06:59 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Shadow44

We should remember that even after the first bomb, many Japs still wanted to fight on and there were a large amou.t of troops still in China


24 posted on 07/30/2012 6:06:59 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: moonshot925

My uncle was headed over for the big invasion but they dropped the bombs instead. They had him go over and help cleanup instead of invade. I got a live uncle and an Arisaka with bayonet, plus a sword, instead of a dead or wounded uncle.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 6:16:31 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: moonshot925

I probably would not be here, or anywhere, if Truman had not dropped the bombs and ended the war.
My Dad was in the second wave of US forces that were to attack Japan. Although the second wave’s mortality prediction was a lot lower than the first, I recall that it exceeded 50%.
Thanks, President Truman.


26 posted on 07/30/2012 6:18:30 PM PDT by BIV (typical white person)
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To: moonshot925

Imagine that Truman had decided not to use the bomb, then imagine what the mothers of the 2,500,000 American casulties would do when they found out that we had a weapon that would have ended the war but that Truman decided not to use it because, well, that weapon is just too mean spirited.


27 posted on 07/30/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: moonshot925

One of my favorite books as a teen-ager was a collection of interviews with Harry Truman by writer Merle Miller. If I recall the text correctly, Truman responded to bombing critics by saying he had been waiting patiently for an apology for Pearl Harbor that never came.
In addition, consider the response he gave to David Susskind’s proposal to film Truman on a tour of Hiroshima. He said he would go, but that he wouldn’t “kiss their (Japanese) ass.”
These comments were uttered around 1961 so Truman’s views on the bombing may have changed before his death a decade later.
But I doubt it.


28 posted on 07/30/2012 6:27:22 PM PDT by MadeInOhio
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To: moonshot925
I have a signed photo of Mr. Truman from when I was a kid.
It was addressed to 'Master' 'real saxophonist'. (my name)
My dad commanded an LCT on Utah Beach, then was an XO on an LST on its way to the Pacific when the war ended.
29 posted on 07/30/2012 7:11:53 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: skeeter
I went to Hiroshima in the 80s and was surprised at how compact the place was.

It wasn't that big a bomb, after all, and after Nagasaki we had nothing. The whole thing was a bluff, but it worked.

30 posted on 07/30/2012 8:08:26 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: forgotten man
My father was in the US Marines in WWII (two Purple Hearts, one Bronze Star, one Silver Star)...I asked him once if he thought Truman made the right decision using the atom bombs and he gave me a resounding "yes." He was in the hospital when the bombs were dropped but would have been out in time for the invasion of Japan--so very likely they saved his life.

I wasn't really in doubt about his attitude--he had favored using the bomb in the Vietnam War.

31 posted on 07/30/2012 8:54:56 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: forgotten man
This was my dad speaking at our hometown Memorial Day observation back in 1995, which was the 50 year anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima.

I don't recall his exact words, but they were something to the effect of "It was the right thing to do and he hoped if there were similar circumstances, we would unhesitatingly do it again.

Or something to that effect. He got in a few local newspapers and got some hate mail and phone calls for it. The banner on the story said something to the effect of "Retired Naval Officer calls Hiroshima and Nagasaki "a good thing"

God bless my dad. Those negative comments didn't bother him a bit. He was not at all the kind to say they could kiss his ass for all he cared, but I know that is exactly what he felt.

32 posted on 07/30/2012 9:01:09 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Gay State Conservative

” Hey,Clifton...remember one thing,any apology you might make while you’re there is made”

Anyone know if Clifton is an Obamabot?


33 posted on 07/30/2012 9:19:34 PM PDT by garjog
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To: South Dakota
We should remember that even after the first bomb, many Japs still wanted to fight on

We should also remember that even after the second bomb, many Japs still wanted to fight on. The largest air raid of WWII was flown against Japan on 14 August 1945, over 2000 aircraft.

34 posted on 07/30/2012 9:27:05 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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Clifton Daniel is today a Chicago Democrat with an insignificant administrative sinecure in the HQ of the City Colleges of Chicago,a network of five or six city-run community colleges. The colleges, and especially the HQ office, are patronage hives for connected third and fourth tier Chicago Democrats. He just might apologize.


35 posted on 07/30/2012 9:49:56 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: moonshot925
Harry Truman has an attention whore grandson?
Whod'a guessed?!!?
36 posted on 07/30/2012 10:40:13 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: skeeter

They absolutely didn’t care how many men, women, or children. It was all about saving their sorry hides. Civilians were being trained to fight the invasion. American casualties alone were upwardly estimated at a million.

The irony is, Truman didn’t even know about the Manhattan Project until the death of FDR. A few months later, he drops the bomb and the terrible war finally comes to an end.


37 posted on 07/31/2012 12:43:42 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Gay State Conservative; Squantos; South Dakota; eartrumpet; rlmorel; A.A. Cunningham; Godwin1; ...
Over 5 million OWI notice #2106 warning leaflets were dropped on 35 Japanese cities(including Hiroshima and Nagasaki) on 1 August 1945.

The Japanese text on the reverse side of the leaflet carried the following warning:

"Read this carefully as it may save your life or the life of a relative or friend. In the next few days, some or all of the cities named on the reverse side will be destroyed by American bombs. These cities contain military installations and workshops or factories which produce military goods. We are determined to destroy all of the tools of the military clique which they are using to prolong this useless war. But, unfortunately, bombs have no eyes. So, in accordance with America's humanitarian policies, the American Air Force, which does not wish to injure innocent people, now gives you warning to evacuate the cities named and save your lives. America is not fighting the Japanese people but is fighting the military clique which has enslaved the Japanese people. The peace which America will bring will free the people from the oppression of the military clique and mean the emergence of a new and better Japan. You can restore peace by demanding new and good leaders who will end the war. We cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked but some or all of them will be, so heed this warning and evacuate these cities immediately."

38 posted on 07/31/2012 2:03:48 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: dr_lew
and after Nagasaki we had nothing

Not true.

Another plutonium core was completed and ready to be shipped to Tinian on 13 August 1945.

There were three Model 1561 "Fat Man" bomb cases on Tinian assembled and ready to go on 15 August 1945.

Major General Leslie Groves, military director of the Manhattan Project, sent a memorandum to General of the Army George Marshall, Army Chief of Staff, in which he wrote that "the next bomb . . should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August."

Tibbets was chosen to drop the third bomb and this was the target list submitted to Secretary of War Henry Stimson on 13 August 1945:

1. Sapporo
2. Hakodate
3. Oyabu
4. Yokosuka
5. Osaka
6. Nagoya

Groves estimated that 3-4 bombs could be produced a month starting in September 1945.

Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire by Richard B. Frank

39 posted on 07/31/2012 5:11:02 AM PDT by moonshot925
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