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Flags from Apollo moon landing still standing, photos reveal
Fox News ^ | July 30, 2012 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 07/30/2012 7:11:53 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Apollo 17 flag found, LRO slewed 19° down-Sun allowing the illuminated side of the still standing American flag to be captured at the Apollo 17 landing site. M113751661L [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].

(LRO slewed 19° down-Sun allowing the illuminated side of the still standing American flag to be captured at the Apollo 17 site.)

An enduring question ever since the manned moon landings of the 1960s has been: Are the flags planted by the astronauts still standing?

Now, lunar scientists say the verdict is in from the latest photos of the moon taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC): Most do, in fact, still stand.

"From the LROC images it is now certain that the American flags are still standing and casting shadows at all of the sites, except Apollo 11," LROC principal investigator Mark Robinson wrote in a blog post today (July 27). "Astronaut Buzz Aldrin reported that the flag was blown over by the exhaust from the ascent engine during liftoff of Apollo 11, and it looks like he was correct!"

Each of the six manned Apollo missions that landed on the moon planted an American flag in the lunar dirt.

Scientists have examined images of the Apollo landing sites before for signs of the flags, and seen hints of what might be shadows cast by the flags. However, this wasn't considered strong evidence that the flags were still standing. Now, researchers have examined photos taken of the same spots at various points in the day ...

Apollo 16 Flag Salute, John Young captured saluting the flag while jumping! A great demonstration of the lower gravity on the Moon. Apollo 16 Lunar Module (LM) Orion and the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) are in the background [NASA/Charlie Duke].

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: americanflag; apollo; apollo11; apollo12; apollo14; apollo15; apollo16; apollo17; apollomissions; astronaunts; moon; moonlanding; nasa; oldglory; realestate; starsandstripes; tothemoon; usflag
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Apollo 11 Flag, American flag on the moon Apollo 11 flag
1 posted on 07/30/2012 7:12:02 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 07/30/2012 7:12:49 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I haven’t heard of anything to blow it down. Not much wind in the Sea of Tranquillity.


3 posted on 07/30/2012 7:16:15 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: DogByte6RER

So, are these LRO photos of the Apollo sites going to quiet down the conspiracy theorists? I’m sure there will be diehards, but I don’t think they will have much traction.


4 posted on 07/30/2012 7:19:19 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: DogByte6RER

Shelia Jackson Lee(D-TX) wants to know if the flag our astronauts planted on Mars is still standing.


5 posted on 07/30/2012 7:19:22 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: DogByte6RER

Just wait till the Chinese go and play capture the flag and stick theres in its place


6 posted on 07/30/2012 7:19:33 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: DogByte6RER

If the worst happens and Obama stays in our White House for four more years (God forbid!), it’s nice to know that our flag will still fly somewhere. I’d take a planet with no atmosphere over one ruled by a communist thug. I wonder how close we are to being able to settle the moon as a private expedition.


7 posted on 07/30/2012 7:19:39 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: DogByte6RER


"See? The flag is still on Mars, as I, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee, former member of the House Committee on Outer Space, had confirmed when I visited the Norwegian Assemblage of Space Astronauts, better known to you in the public as NASA."
8 posted on 07/30/2012 7:23:32 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Unless of course the gargomytes trample it down.


9 posted on 07/30/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: onedoug

ping


10 posted on 07/30/2012 7:24:45 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: Past Your Eyes
I haven’t heard of anything to blow it down. Not much wind in the Sea of Tranquillity.

Didn't you even read the thing?

11 posted on 07/30/2012 7:25:12 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: DogByte6RER; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono; Daffynition; Slings and Arrows

That is pretty amazing! They’ve kept the Burbank studio set intact all those years?


12 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: DogByte6RER
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Stupid) sits on the House Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics.

On a visit to the JPL she asked if the Mars Rover would be able to show "the flag the astronauts planted there before".


13 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Pollster1

I wonder when obama is going to pay the Russians, the Chinese, or some private company to go get that flag back. Then he can apologize to the whole world. And the universe.


14 posted on 07/30/2012 7:27:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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15 posted on 07/30/2012 7:29:25 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DogByte6RER
I wonder if we'd ever have the balls to plant the US flag ever again.

I can foresee the day when the US taxpayer will foot the bill for an "international" mission to Mars, maybe we'd get a Rainbow flag.

To date, the Apollo missions have been the high point of the American experiment.

16 posted on 07/30/2012 7:30:33 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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More refernce ...

Six Flags on the Moon:
What is Their Current Condition?

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/ApolloFlags-Condition.html


17 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:20 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

US flags still standing? Wait till the kenyan CSer piece of filth hears about this!


18 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:31 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Yardstick
"Your search - gargomytes - did not match any documents." - Wow!


19 posted on 07/30/2012 7:32:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: LostInBayport

Actually, the first flag was placed there by the Blackstronauts, if I may say, or point out, or state, if you will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H8TJv0C58Q


20 posted on 07/30/2012 7:32:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DogByte6RER

21 posted on 07/30/2012 7:32:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Right Wing Assault

22 posted on 07/30/2012 7:34:28 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: DogByte6RER

"...gave proof through the night, that our flag was still there..."

23 posted on 07/30/2012 7:37:38 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: DogByte6RER
I think Michelle has something to say about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8 "You brave this for a damn flag"
24 posted on 07/30/2012 7:38:18 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: DogByte6RER

Wow!
You would think they would have been blown over by a hurricane or something by now.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 7:40:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DogByte6RER
How did they make it look like it was blowing in the breeze? Extra, extra, extra starch?
26 posted on 07/30/2012 7:42:25 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: DogByte6RER

27 posted on 07/30/2012 7:43:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: DogByte6RER

“Even on Earth, the colors of a cloth flag flown in bright sunlight for many years will eventually fade and need to be replaced. So it is likely that these symbols of American achievement have been rendered blank, bleached white by the UV radiation of unfiltered sunlight on the lunar surface. Some of them may even have begun to physically disintegrate under the intense flux.”


Bleached white. Sure as hell wouldn’t be able to see colors after all this time.


28 posted on 07/30/2012 7:43:36 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Graybeard58
How did they make it look like it was blowing in the breeze? Extra, extra, extra starch?

Sort of ... good guess!

29 posted on 07/30/2012 7:48:00 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Right Wing Assault

Okay, THAT was hilarious. I am still laughing at poor Stinky Pete and the white African American Studies expert with the “thuglife” t-shirt.

The conspiracy went so far as to remove September 31st from the calendar, if I might point out.


30 posted on 07/30/2012 7:50:01 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: LostInBayport

I can’t believe “Buffalo Butt” was the first man on the moon.


31 posted on 07/30/2012 7:54:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

I can’t believe the USPS dropped stopped orbit to earth letter delivery. No wonder FedEx is beating the pants off them.


32 posted on 07/30/2012 8:00:04 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Iron Munro
On a visit to the JPL she asked if the Mars Rover would be able to show "the flag the astronauts planted there before".

Of course the right answer could be provided by her fellow D-Moron compatriot Congress idiot Hank Johnson, who would respond that the rover couldn't get too close to the flag because the combined weight would capsize Mars.

33 posted on 07/30/2012 8:23:47 PM PDT by MCH
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To: chessplayer
“Even on Earth, the colors of a cloth flag flown in bright sunlight for many years will eventually fade and need to be replaced. So it is likely that these symbols of American achievement have been rendered blank, bleached white by the UV radiation of unfiltered sunlight on the lunar surface.

Oh great! Now the aliens are gonna think the French got to the moon first.

34 posted on 07/30/2012 8:32:40 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: dr_lew

lol — okay, I might have made that up.

And I see the gargomytes in your pic are communicating to us in the “universal language”.


35 posted on 07/30/2012 8:39:31 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Graybeard58
"How did they make it look like it was blowing in the breeze? Extra, extra, extra starch?"

Little gravity, little atmosphere (if any) equal low resistance to movement.  The motion of the flag was caused from the action of the shaft being moved by the astronaut after handling the flag.

Not sure what episode number, but Mythbusters did a good job of completely debunking every major contention of the conspiracy nuts. 

36 posted on 07/30/2012 8:42:19 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: DogByte6RER

President Obama, America did that (while you were likely somewhere else.)


37 posted on 07/30/2012 8:47:28 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: DogByte6RER

President Obama, America did that (while you were likely somewhere else.)


38 posted on 07/30/2012 8:47:52 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Old Glory. Long May She Wave.


39 posted on 07/30/2012 9:23:52 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
So it is likely that these symbols of American achievement have been rendered blank, bleached white by the UV radiation of unfiltered sunlight on the lunar surface.

Oh great! Now the aliens are gonna think the French got to the moon first.

You owe me a new keyboard! Pepsi came out my nose (onto my keyboard) when I read that reply!
Buwhahahah!!!!!!!!!!
40 posted on 07/30/2012 9:30:47 PM PDT by 45semi (By failing to PREPare, you are preparing to fail.- B. Franklin)
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To: CaptainKrunch
Not sure what episode number, but Mythbusters did a good job of completely debunking every major contention of the conspiracy nuts.

An excellent episode, particularly their investigation of "moonwalking" ... but it must be said they came up a little short on the footprint. They were not able to reproduce it, I thought, under their experimental conditions, but bluffed their way through. A mere blemish, but in these matters, blemishes count.

42 posted on 07/30/2012 9:43:07 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: 45semi
I remember a few years ago, on the fiftieth anniversary of the introduction of Hasbros GI Joe action figure I was posting a comment on FrontPage Magazine how I had one of those as a kid. I remember saying ‘’But with those darn pre-configured hands of his I could never get him to hold on to the rifle''. Someone posted back saying, "Must have been one made in France''.
43 posted on 07/30/2012 9:49:45 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Yardstick
Of course these are the Mooninites, who did actually commit a devastating attack against earth, as some of us may recall.
44 posted on 07/30/2012 9:56:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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45 posted on 07/30/2012 10:07:42 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: DogByte6RER
LROC's most frequently asked question answered:LRO slewed 19° down-Sun allowing the illuminated side of the still standing American flag to be captured at the Apollo 17 landing site. LROC Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) observation M113751661L, LRO orbit 1897, November 25, 2009; 52.5 cm resolution, angle of incidence 56.73° from 44.87 kilometers [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].
Mark Robinson
Principal Investigator
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
Arizona State University
 

The most common questions to the LROC team before launch concerned what will we see at the Apollo sites? Will we see the Lunar Module descent stage and rovers? What about rover tracks, or the American flags? As we now know, the NAC images clearly show all of the above items (see links to earlier posts at the bottom). Personally I was a bit surprised that the flags survived the harsh ultraviolet light and temperatures of the lunar surface, but they did.

What they look like is another question (badly faded?). Much has been written about the Apollo flags, a comprehensive summary is available at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal.

Charlie Duke captures John Young saluting the flag while jumping, (twice). A great demonstration of the lower gravity on the Moon. Apollo 16 Lunar Module (LM) Orion and the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) are in the background. View the re-master original indexed at the Apollo 16 Lunar Surface Journal, HERE - MET: 120:25:42 - (AS17-113-18339) "He is off the ground about 1.45 seconds which, in the lunar gravity field, means that he launched himself at a velocity of about 1.17 m/s and reached a maximum height of 0.42 m. Although the suit and backpack weigh as much as he does, his total weight is only about 65 pounds (30 kg) and, to get this height, he only had to bend his knees slightly and then push up with his legs." Video Clip ( 3 min 21 sec 0.9 Mb RealVideo or 30 Mb MPEG ) [NASA].
The opening image was taken early in the mission, and is one of the best views of the American flag because the spacecraft was pointed towards the illuminated side of the flag, and Sun was low enough (56° incidence angle) such that distinct shadows were cast.

The flag was captured in this image of the Apollo 16 site with the spacecraft slewed 15° towards the Sun; the shadowed side of the flag is seen by LROC. NAC frame M175179080L, orbit 10950, November 6, 2011; native resolution 40.4 cm per pixel, angle of incidence 41.91° from 23.56 kilometers [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].

From the LROC images it is now certain that the American flags are still standing and casting shadows at all of the sites, except Apollo 11. Astronaut Buzz Aldrin reported that the flag was blown over by the exhaust from the ascent engine during liftoff of Apollo 11, and it looks like he was correct! The most convincing way to see that the flags are still there, is to view a time series of LROC images taken at different times of day, and watch the shadow circle the flag (see movie below; the flag is just above the LM descent stage).


Visit the full resolution NAC of the Apollo 16 site HERE. A full resolution version of the Apollo 12 time series is available HERE.

Explore all the Apollo sites on LROC's new Featured Sites webpage!

Related Posts:
Exploring the Apollo 17 Site
Apollo 11 Low Altitude
Apollo 12 Low Altitude
Apollo 14 Low Altitude
Apollo 15 Low Altitude
Apollo 16 Low Altitude North Ray Crater
Apollo 17 Low Altitude
Apollo 17 Low Altitude Shorty Crater

46 posted on 07/31/2012 12:17:44 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: dr_lew

The shape of things to come.

47 posted on 07/31/2012 2:43:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DogByte6RER

LAS CRUCES, New Mexico — “NASA has begun drafting guidelines to protect the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 landing sites, listing them as off-limits, and including ground-travel buffers and no-fly zones to avoid spraying rocket exhaust or dust onto aging, but historic, equipment”


Oh, oh. The Apollo “truthers” will grab onto that and claim NASA wants the sites off-limits because they don’t want future astronauts/cosmonauts to see there is nothing there.


48 posted on 07/31/2012 7:55:46 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Past Your Eyes

i thought the mother ship from INDEPENDANCE DAY blew it down.


49 posted on 07/31/2012 8:47:26 AM PDT by bravo whiskey
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To: dr_lew

Nope.


50 posted on 07/31/2012 8:49:31 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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