Posted on 07/31/2012 12:48:23 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
One of the world’s most senior swimming coaches has raised serious doubts about the validity of the “unbelievable” performance of Ye Shiwen, the 16-year-old Chinese swimmer.
John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, yesterday compared Ye’s winning performance in the women’s 400m individual medley to Irish swimmer Michelle Smith, who won gold in the same event at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics but was banned from swimming for four years in 1998 for tampering with a urine sample. Smith, now De Bruin, always denied using performance enhancing drugs.
Ye sent shock waves through her sport on Saturday when she set the first swimming world record of these Olympics, and in doing so swam the final 50m freestyle faster than American swimmer Ryan Lochte managed in his final leg when he won the same race in the men’s event.
“We want to be very careful about calling it doping,” Leonard said.
“The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable’, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta.
“Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping”. Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the 400m individual medley than she had been in the equivalent race of the World Championships last year. While Leonard accepted that such improvement was feasible, he described the final 100m as “impossible”. He added: “To swim three
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sound like a sore loser
Sounds like a realist.
No way she made an extraordinary improvement that bested the world champion by seconds.
On the other hand she will probably make a fine living at arm wrestling but, soon will have to Shave that unfortunate mug.
She could probably medal in the fugly olympics too.
Actually China has a history of bending the rules and stuff. The North Korean Women’s soccer team is allowed to play for some reason, even though suspended from international competition for doping.
go figure
She can get tips from the Press sisters.
http://www.yourememberthat.com/media/7802/Press_Sisters_Gender_Controversy/
Chinese Bath Salts
Bah, just make this the final Olympics!
Enough already.
So far as I am concerned they really ended they day it was decided to allow pro-athletes in.
Once that standard was breached, we may as well allow any and all means of enhancing the results.
Bring on the cyborgs!
To swim three 100m strokes at near-record pace... and THEN swim a final 100m in 59 sec, MATCHING Ryan Lochte’s split for that same leg of the 400 IM (58.6)... when she is 16... and female... and swam the same race last year SEVEN seconds slower. This is an event where 4 seconds separate 1st from 8th place in most pools. Sorry. To tie the top male swimmer in the world on a split, when she is an unheralded and previously unremarkable swimmer? It defies credulity.
Holy cow.
In 1968 Bob Beaman broke the world long jump record by nearly 2 feet (1 ft. 10 in.). He beat the record by about 7%.
yitbos
In the 1994 world swimming championships, China won an improbable 12 gold medals and later that year seven swimmers tested positive for steroids at the Asian Games. At the following Olympics in Atlanta in 1996, they won just one gold.
Likely the Chinese have simply learned how to beat the doping tests.
The other possibility is the bell curve. China is only beginning to exploit their population for athletic development in an organized way. Their population is really big.
Olympic athletes come from the far right side of the Bell Curve. The population of people out there is much bigger in a population of 2 billion than it is in a population of 300,000,000. And the odds of producing someone really really far out there is greater.
China will eventually dominate all sports events if it stays together as a political entity and if it continues to do a good job identifying freakishly gifted athletes at a young age and training them.
“I no doping!” “Bath Salts ONLY!” “Ima eat you”
In my experience lying, cheating , and stealing are not dishonorable in Asian culture.
But getting caught is.
Her doping will be Chinese government administered.
Oh, Please! the commies have no respect for human life. they use their ahletes as lab experiments just like the East Germans and Russia did in the past
Because of the enhanced hormone manipulation
she/it will grow into a grotesque creature when she matures and will die from some form of cancer early in life.
Oh, Please! the commies have no respect for human life. they use their athletes as lab experiments just like the East Germans and Russia did in the past
Because of the enhanced hormone manipulation
she/it will grow into a grotesque creature when she matures and will die from some form of cancer early in life.
I believe this athlete was doping.
“Likely the Chinese have simply learned how to beat the doping tests.”
You got it.
I don’t put anything past the Chinese. If anyone remembers, during the 2008 Olympics, most thought they lied about the ages of the women’s gymnastics team. It was believed that some of the girls were as young as 10 years old. You have to be 15 and going on 16 during the competition.
Those who believed this, stated so on the air. However, as usual, nothing was done about it.
I heard that one of the male gymnasts (age 17) had only been home for a total of 17 days since he entered the sport. I say entered very cautiously, because the Chinese government grooms the youngsters from very young and they have to leave home to train. How sad for those kids and their families. How tragic - all in the name of appeasing the god of their government.
...no doping needed.
Rudderless swiming exposed.
Alright, I’m gonna go out on a limb here...
My guess is she had some kind of miniaturized Honda Marine electric jet-drive hidden in her suit.
It was either win, or face a Nork death-panel.
I remember analyzing her posture, body language and et cetera's and we all concluded she was under age.
“So far as I am concerned they really ended they day it was decided to allow pro-athletes in.”
They lost their meaning when the Cold War ended; while we’re supposed to pretend Red China is communist, in fact they are just the low-cost, non-union scabs doing all of the manufacturing we used to do. They are an economic, not a military threat (the largest democracy in the world sits on their souther border, and they can’t deal with them, never mind us).
You could be on to something...
wouldn’t be surprised if she went shopping for the jet-drive with Rosie Ruiz - who knows how to get around town “efficiently”
the same people saying this is an overreaction also said the east german swimmers with 5 foot wide shoulders were also clean....until the wall fell and we got hold of their doping records......there has never been a female outswim the best male...never
Bet on the ChiCom being doped up
The ChiComs are big cheaters. About 12-15 yrs ago they started winning a lot of swimming events at World Championships and Olympics...and it stopped once they got busted for doping. They claimed they were using some “special seaweed”
And, Michelle Smith was a huge cheater. I remember when Janet Evans called her out for doping...and they tried to use that “sore loser” tag on Evans (like some poster in this thread has done). Evans was right....Smith was busted (she was so doped that she skipped testing...and one test used someone else’s urine)....and Smith’s husband was later busted for PED peddling.
The Commies have always cheated....and Communist China is no exception. Unfortunately, too many on the “conservative” side give Commie China a pass because of their support for liberal ideas on free trade and globalism
But it was her final 100 meters – the freestyle leg of the event – that raised eyebrows. Not only did Shiwen go virtually stroke-for-stroke with Lochte – who had won gold in the men’s 400 IM earlier in the night – she beat Lochte in the final 50 meters.Shiwen went 28.93 in her final 50 and 58.68 in her final 100 of her 400 IM. Lochte went 29.10 in his final 50. And the final 100 meters of the pair? Lochte went 58.65 to Shiwen’s 58.68.
.....sorry the Chicoms were caught.
Not only did she win the race. But she sewed,boxed and shipped 10,000 T-Shirts while doing so...
I have to agree with you.
Our daughter is a top tier ranked HS swim sprinter going to college on scholarship. She will swim in the NCAAs as a freshman. Her brothers before her were state champ sprinters.
But she will not take that much time off, and she will not swim faster than the top male sprinters. It’s just fact.
We have been in competitive swimming for nearly two decades .
I work as a stroke and turn judge and timer.
As parents of top tier swimmers we know what swimmers go through to prep for key events. We also know what they can and can’t do within reason.
What happened here defies natural biology of both an individual swimmer’s capabilities and gender.
While she may get away with it, I don’t think she earned it.
They need to check for bionic parts.
Like you my daughter swam, on the 200IM, 400IM, 200 back and long events. Running negative splits would be the warning sign right away.
Been there before with the girls like you, good luck with the swimming life, it was addictive.
How many standard deviations is 7 seconds?
Yes but that was done in the more than mile high air of Mexico City.
The Chinese started their metoric rise in the swimming world in the mid-90’s after hiring the former East German swim coach to lead their national program. I agree I am suspicous.
We’ll find out as all medal winners are tested unless they have an ancient Chinese secret that can hide the results.
I’m sure she’s as pure as Chinese drywall.
The Beamon jump was amazing indeed and was not matched by anyone (or even approached by him) for decades. The difference: Beamon was at altitude.
In field events you can occasionally hit the sweet spot more solidly than you ever have before and produce a surprise. In running/swimming/biking you have to hold that performance for a distance. I compare the 400 meter swim roughly to a 1500m or mile run. What woman will ever produce a final lap close to a contemporaneous male performance?
If she’s clean bless her, but it is beyond amazing all the way to not credible.
Man, that guy, Ye Shiwencan, can sure swim fast!
Didn’t China also have some questions raised about their women’s gymnastics last time?
Had he just finished running the 100m hurdles?
Free Trade is a conservative ideal. It is quite simply Freedom of Association applied to economics.
If you can’t compete with China, the conservative action is either to find a way to compete, or to compete on a different battlefield - hopefully one where you have the advantages.
Liberals - on the other hand - invoke false flag patriotism to try to impose protectionism. They gleefully increase the tax load on their countrymen, they enlarge Government (with all that lovely tariff money) and they get to feather-bed their beloved unions.
China has questions about their female gymnasts every olympics.
Not so much regarding drugs...but lying about their ages and falsifying their birth certificates and passports.
From what I have read about the goings on in the Olympic village perhaps this girl was the only one in the pool that wasn’t hung over, stoned, or worn out from fornicating like a mink. Americans always find something to whine about.
“Ye was more than seven seconds faster “
Seven seconds. Eternity in a race. I wouldn’t belive that this is natural if you put a gun to my head.
One of the many juicy little tidbits to be revealed after the fall of the Berlin Wall was that East Germany was routine doping its athletes...including the women.I wonder if China might have had the same policy over...let’s say...the last 50 years.
See post #46
You know those Chinese... they have the Audacity of Dope...
No, they are the Chinese. Rules to them apply to others.
It was altitude
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