Skip to comments.Olympics: 16-year-old Ye Shiwen’s swim 'impossible’, says coach John Leonard [doping claim]
Posted on 07/31/2012 12:48:23 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
One of the worlds most senior swimming coaches has raised serious doubts about the validity of the unbelievable performance of Ye Shiwen, the 16-year-old Chinese swimmer.
John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, yesterday compared Yes winning performance in the womens 400m individual medley to Irish swimmer Michelle Smith, who won gold in the same event at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics but was banned from swimming for four years in 1998 for tampering with a urine sample. Smith, now De Bruin, always denied using performance enhancing drugs.
Ye sent shock waves through her sport on Saturday when she set the first swimming world record of these Olympics, and in doing so swam the final 50m freestyle faster than American swimmer Ryan Lochte managed in his final leg when he won the same race in the mens event.
We want to be very careful about calling it doping, Leonard said.
The one thing I will say is that history in our sport will tell you that every time we see something, and I will put quotation marks around this, 'unbelievable, history shows us that it turns out later on there was doping involved. That last 100m was reminiscent of some old East German swimmers, for people who have been around a while. It was reminiscent of 400m individual medley by a young Irish woman in Atlanta.
Any time someone has looked like superwoman in the history of our sport they have later been found guilty of doping. Ye was more than seven seconds faster in the 400m individual medley than she had been in the equivalent race of the World Championships last year. While Leonard accepted that such improvement was feasible, he described the final 100m as impossible. He added: To swim three
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Had he just finished running the 100m hurdles?
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If you can’t compete with China, the conservative action is either to find a way to compete, or to compete on a different battlefield - hopefully one where you have the advantages.
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China has questions about their female gymnasts every olympics.
Not so much regarding drugs...but lying about their ages and falsifying their birth certificates and passports.
From what I have read about the goings on in the Olympic village perhaps this girl was the only one in the pool that wasn’t hung over, stoned, or worn out from fornicating like a mink. Americans always find something to whine about.
“Ye was more than seven seconds faster “
Seven seconds. Eternity in a race. I wouldn’t belive that this is natural if you put a gun to my head.
One of the many juicy little tidbits to be revealed after the fall of the Berlin Wall was that East Germany was routine doping its athletes...including the women.I wonder if China might have had the same policy over...let’s say...the last 50 years.
See post #46
You know those Chinese... they have the Audacity of Dope...
No, they are the Chinese. Rules to them apply to others.
It was altitude
When east Germany collapsed the east German doper experts /trainers moved to china and set up shop ,
It well documented .
You nailed it.
The Chinese swimmers have been with doping routinely .
I recall a few years after the east Germans took over the program skinny china swimmers showed up for a international event looking like gorillas and the us woman swimmers and coaches freaked out .
No-one makes gains like that except the people who are just starting out swimming. Once you've been training and swimming for a couple of years, you've pretty well gotten close to the edge of your nominal performance envelope. Your speed is fairly well determined by your build, muscle tone, and technique - did you get a good start, did your strokes work out well for the turn and finish (ie. no coasting or short strokes). In any one race these things add up to a tenth of a second (plus or minus) here or there. As you grow/mature and add muscle, you tend to get a little faster year-to-year.
Throughout the course of a season a good swimmer might pull their time in a 100m event down a second, maybe a little more. If they are really pumped up at a big event, or playing catch-up on the last leg of a relay (eg. the French team) they may shave a few tenths, even a whole second off a personal best.
Taking 5 seconds off is a red flag. That's a local Girl Scout troop beating a Marine recon company at arm wrestling. Something is wrong, very, very wrong.
Are you this naive to the Chinese doping program ??
How do you say “Ima eat you” in Chinese?
China is known to “enhance” their athletes. Just like the old Soviet Bloc countries did back in the day.
“In 1968 Bob Beaman broke the world long jump record by nearly 2 feet (1 ft. 10 in.). He beat the record by about 7%.”
Ummm...what ever happened to “innocent until proven guilty?”. I remember when Beamon’s jump was analyzed and criticized over and over again...it was the air, the wind, his shoes, “magic wonder drugs”...his “genes”...(i.e., he’s black)...nothing. people thought that record would NEVER be broken. It is STILL the Olympic record. But it WAS broken elsewhere.
They keep samples for doping tests eight years and they have the right to withdraw medals. Isn’t that enough? Can’t she have her moment in the sun? What if this was an American? The vast majority of these athletes don’t make a nickel on their Olympic performance and their families go broke over it. This seems like a no-win situation. People complain if you screw up...and then, they complain when you do great!
Of course she can. Rosie Ruiz had upwards of, what, about 15 minutes?
China is cheating. how unusual. /s/
Ask the American Gymnastics coach from 2008 about the amount of Chinese gymnasts who still hadn’t gotten in their eye teeth but were 16-years-old.
>>they have the Audacity of Dope...<<
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