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Olympics: 16-year-old Ye Shiwen’s swim 'impossible’, says coach John Leonard [doping claim]
The Telegraph ^ | 7/30/2012 | Jeremy Wilson

Posted on 07/31/2012 12:48:23 AM PDT by bruinbirdman

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1 posted on 07/31/2012 12:48:35 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

sound like a sore loser


2 posted on 07/31/2012 12:52:00 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

Sounds like a realist.


3 posted on 07/31/2012 12:54:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: bruinbirdman

No way she made an extraordinary improvement that bested the world champion by seconds.

On the other hand she will probably make a fine living at arm wrestling but, soon will have to Shave that unfortunate mug.


4 posted on 07/31/2012 12:56:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: bruinbirdman

She could probably medal in the fugly olympics too.


5 posted on 07/31/2012 1:02:33 AM PDT by Bullish (Liars aren't always thieves but thieves are ALWAYS liars)
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To: 4rcane

Actually China has a history of bending the rules and stuff. The North Korean Women’s soccer team is allowed to play for some reason, even though suspended from international competition for doping.

go figure


6 posted on 07/31/2012 1:02:40 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vendome

She can get tips from the Press sisters.

http://www.yourememberthat.com/media/7802/Press_Sisters_Gender_Controversy/


7 posted on 07/31/2012 1:03:40 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Chinese Bath Salts


8 posted on 07/31/2012 1:04:59 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: bruinbirdman

Bah, just make this the final Olympics!
Enough already.

So far as I am concerned they really ended they day it was decided to allow pro-athletes in.

Once that standard was breached, we may as well allow any and all means of enhancing the results.

Bring on the cyborgs!


9 posted on 07/31/2012 1:07:12 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: 4rcane

To swim three 100m strokes at near-record pace... and THEN swim a final 100m in 59 sec, MATCHING Ryan Lochte’s split for that same leg of the 400 IM (58.6)... when she is 16... and female... and swam the same race last year SEVEN seconds slower. This is an event where 4 seconds separate 1st from 8th place in most pools. Sorry. To tie the top male swimmer in the world on a split, when she is an unheralded and previously unremarkable swimmer? It defies credulity.


10 posted on 07/31/2012 1:08:15 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: bruinbirdman
100 meters in 58 seconds after having just swum 300 meters? A 16-year-old girl?

Holy cow.

11 posted on 07/31/2012 1:08:32 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Vendome
"No way she made an extraordinary improvement that bested the world champion by seconds."

In 1968 Bob Beaman broke the world long jump record by nearly 2 feet (1 ft. 10 in.). He beat the record by about 7%.

yitbos

12 posted on 07/31/2012 1:13:22 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: 4rcane
Chinese swimming has such a shameful history of doping that any remarkable achievement by one of its athletes is inevitably met with cynicism. In the 1990s more than 40 swimmers tested positive for doping.

In the 1994 world swimming championships, China won an improbable 12 gold medals and later that year seven swimmers tested positive for steroids at the Asian Games. At the following Olympics in Atlanta in 1996, they won just one gold.

Likely the Chinese have simply learned how to beat the doping tests.

13 posted on 07/31/2012 1:15:33 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: FreedomPoster

The other possibility is the bell curve. China is only beginning to exploit their population for athletic development in an organized way. Their population is really big.

Olympic athletes come from the far right side of the Bell Curve. The population of people out there is much bigger in a population of 2 billion than it is in a population of 300,000,000. And the odds of producing someone really really far out there is greater.

China will eventually dominate all sports events if it stays together as a political entity and if it continues to do a good job identifying freakishly gifted athletes at a young age and training them.


14 posted on 07/31/2012 1:15:59 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: bruinbirdman

“I no doping!” “Bath Salts ONLY!” “Ima eat you”


15 posted on 07/31/2012 1:18:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Teacher317

In my experience lying, cheating , and stealing are not dishonorable in Asian culture.
But getting caught is.

Her doping will be Chinese government administered.


16 posted on 07/31/2012 1:20:10 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: ModelBreaker

Oh, Please! the commies have no respect for human life. they use their ahletes as lab experiments just like the East Germans and Russia did in the past
Because of the enhanced hormone manipulation
she/it will grow into a grotesque creature when she matures and will die from some form of cancer early in life.


17 posted on 07/31/2012 1:43:32 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: ModelBreaker

Oh, Please! the commies have no respect for human life. they use their athletes as lab experiments just like the East Germans and Russia did in the past
Because of the enhanced hormone manipulation
she/it will grow into a grotesque creature when she matures and will die from some form of cancer early in life.


18 posted on 07/31/2012 1:43:46 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: 4rcane
I disagree. I would put nothing past the Chinese government, which has a history of cheating (in addition to suppression of its citizens, murder of infant girls, etc.) This coach, John Leonard, was very detailed in elucidating why he thinks doping was involved. I don't get the impression he is motivated by resentment.

I believe this athlete was doping.

19 posted on 07/31/2012 1:59:53 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Teacher317

“Likely the Chinese have simply learned how to beat the doping tests.”

You got it.


20 posted on 07/31/2012 2:02:01 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: utahagen

I don’t put anything past the Chinese. If anyone remembers, during the 2008 Olympics, most thought they lied about the ages of the women’s gymnastics team. It was believed that some of the girls were as young as 10 years old. You have to be 15 and going on 16 during the competition.

Those who believed this, stated so on the air. However, as usual, nothing was done about it.

I heard that one of the male gymnasts (age 17) had only been home for a total of 17 days since he entered the sport. I say entered very cautiously, because the Chinese government grooms the youngsters from very young and they have to leave home to train. How sad for those kids and their families. How tragic - all in the name of appeasing the god of their government.


21 posted on 07/31/2012 2:19:11 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: bruinbirdman
When you remove the penis you are more streamline...

...no doping needed.

22 posted on 07/31/2012 2:27:19 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before creating it's demand.")
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To: Happy Rain

Rudderless swiming exposed.


23 posted on 07/31/2012 2:42:36 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: bruinbirdman

Alright, I’m gonna go out on a limb here...

My guess is she had some kind of miniaturized Honda Marine electric jet-drive hidden in her suit.

It was either win, or face a Nork death-panel.


24 posted on 07/31/2012 2:52:09 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Teacher317
I think it was the last Winter Olympics that we discussed here in FR, what appeared to be a 12 year old girl gymnast.

I remember analyzing her posture, body language and et cetera's and we all concluded she was under age.

25 posted on 07/31/2012 2:56:21 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Loyal Sedition

“So far as I am concerned they really ended they day it was decided to allow pro-athletes in.”

They lost their meaning when the Cold War ended; while we’re supposed to pretend Red China is communist, in fact they are just the low-cost, non-union scabs doing all of the manufacturing we used to do. They are an economic, not a military threat (the largest democracy in the world sits on their souther border, and they can’t deal with them, never mind us).


26 posted on 07/31/2012 3:02:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

You could be on to something...

wouldn’t be surprised if she went shopping for the jet-drive with Rosie Ruiz - who knows how to get around town “efficiently”


27 posted on 07/31/2012 3:03:01 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: C210N

the same people saying this is an overreaction also said the east german swimmers with 5 foot wide shoulders were also clean....until the wall fell and we got hold of their doping records......there has never been a female outswim the best male...never


28 posted on 07/31/2012 3:27:05 AM PDT by CrouchingTiger620
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To: bruinbirdman

Bet on the ChiCom being doped up

The ChiComs are big cheaters. About 12-15 yrs ago they started winning a lot of swimming events at World Championships and Olympics...and it stopped once they got busted for doping. They claimed they were using some “special seaweed”

And, Michelle Smith was a huge cheater. I remember when Janet Evans called her out for doping...and they tried to use that “sore loser” tag on Evans (like some poster in this thread has done). Evans was right....Smith was busted (she was so doped that she skipped testing...and one test used someone else’s urine)....and Smith’s husband was later busted for PED peddling.

The Commies have always cheated....and Communist China is no exception. Unfortunately, too many on the “conservative” side give Commie China a pass because of their support for liberal ideas on free trade and globalism


29 posted on 07/31/2012 3:27:04 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Remember when RINOs were something you hunted in Africa?)
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To: ModelBreaker

But it was her final 100 meters – the freestyle leg of the event – that raised eyebrows. Not only did Shiwen go virtually stroke-for-stroke with Lochte – who had won gold in the men’s 400 IM earlier in the night – she beat Lochte in the final 50 meters.Shiwen went 28.93 in her final 50 and 58.68 in her final 100 of her 400 IM. Lochte went 29.10 in his final 50. And the final 100 meters of the pair? Lochte went 58.65 to Shiwen’s 58.68.

.....sorry the Chicoms were caught.


30 posted on 07/31/2012 3:29:48 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: bruinbirdman

Not only did she win the race. But she sewed,boxed and shipped 10,000 T-Shirts while doing so...


31 posted on 07/31/2012 3:35:23 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Teacher317

I have to agree with you.

Our daughter is a top tier ranked HS swim sprinter going to college on scholarship. She will swim in the NCAAs as a freshman. Her brothers before her were state champ sprinters.

But she will not take that much time off, and she will not swim faster than the top male sprinters. It’s just fact.

We have been in competitive swimming for nearly two decades .

I work as a stroke and turn judge and timer.

As parents of top tier swimmers we know what swimmers go through to prep for key events. We also know what they can and can’t do within reason.

What happened here defies natural biology of both an individual swimmer’s capabilities and gender.

While she may get away with it, I don’t think she earned it.


32 posted on 07/31/2012 3:40:43 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: bruinbirdman

They need to check for bionic parts.


33 posted on 07/31/2012 3:44:54 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Blueflag

Like you my daughter swam, on the 200IM, 400IM, 200 back and long events. Running negative splits would be the warning sign right away.

Been there before with the girls like you, good luck with the swimming life, it was addictive.


34 posted on 07/31/2012 3:58:21 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: ModelBreaker

How many standard deviations is 7 seconds?


35 posted on 07/31/2012 4:08:15 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: bruinbirdman

Yes but that was done in the more than mile high air of Mexico City.

The Chinese started their metoric rise in the swimming world in the mid-90’s after hiring the former East German swim coach to lead their national program. I agree I am suspicous.

We’ll find out as all medal winners are tested unless they have an ancient Chinese secret that can hide the results.


36 posted on 07/31/2012 4:18:22 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bruinbirdman

I’m sure she’s as pure as Chinese drywall.


37 posted on 07/31/2012 4:24:28 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: bruinbirdman

The Beamon jump was amazing indeed and was not matched by anyone (or even approached by him) for decades. The difference: Beamon was at altitude.

In field events you can occasionally hit the sweet spot more solidly than you ever have before and produce a surprise. In running/swimming/biking you have to hold that performance for a distance. I compare the 400 meter swim roughly to a 1500m or mile run. What woman will ever produce a final lap close to a contemporaneous male performance?

If she’s clean bless her, but it is beyond amazing all the way to not credible.


38 posted on 07/31/2012 4:25:30 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: bruinbirdman

Man, that guy, Ye Shiwencan, can sure swim fast!


39 posted on 07/31/2012 4:39:44 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: GeronL

Didn’t China also have some questions raised about their women’s gymnastics last time?


40 posted on 07/31/2012 4:48:16 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bruinbirdman
In 1968 Bob Beaman...

Had he just finished running the 100m hurdles?

41 posted on 07/31/2012 4:51:46 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Free Trade is a conservative ideal. It is quite simply Freedom of Association applied to economics.

If you can’t compete with China, the conservative action is either to find a way to compete, or to compete on a different battlefield - hopefully one where you have the advantages.

Liberals - on the other hand - invoke false flag patriotism to try to impose protectionism. They gleefully increase the tax load on their countrymen, they enlarge Government (with all that lovely tariff money) and they get to feather-bed their beloved unions.


42 posted on 07/31/2012 4:52:27 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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To: bgill

China has questions about their female gymnasts every olympics.

Not so much regarding drugs...but lying about their ages and falsifying their birth certificates and passports.


43 posted on 07/31/2012 4:59:16 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: bruinbirdman

From what I have read about the goings on in the Olympic village perhaps this girl was the only one in the pool that wasn’t hung over, stoned, or worn out from fornicating like a mink. Americans always find something to whine about.


44 posted on 07/31/2012 4:59:48 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: bruinbirdman

“Ye was more than seven seconds faster “

Seven seconds. Eternity in a race. I wouldn’t belive that this is natural if you put a gun to my head.


45 posted on 07/31/2012 5:08:17 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: bruinbirdman

One of the many juicy little tidbits to be revealed after the fall of the Berlin Wall was that East Germany was routine doping its athletes...including the women.I wonder if China might have had the same policy over...let’s say...the last 50 years.


46 posted on 07/31/2012 5:11:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Jay Redhawk
Americans always find something to whine about.

See post #46

47 posted on 07/31/2012 5:14:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: CrouchingTiger620

You know those Chinese... they have the Audacity of Dope...


48 posted on 07/31/2012 5:16:44 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: 4rcane
“sound like a sore loser”

No, they are the Chinese. Rules to them apply to others.

49 posted on 07/31/2012 5:21:21 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
In 1968 Bob Beaman broke the world long jump record by nearly 2 feet (1 ft. 10 in.). He beat the record by about 7%.

It was altitude

50 posted on 07/31/2012 5:31:01 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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