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[IL Governor] Quinn (D) Pushes for Assault Weapon Ban
Chicago Tribune ^ | 12:26 p.m. CDT, July 31, 2012 | By Ray Long and Monique Garcia

Posted on 07/31/2012 4:27:08 PM PDT by DCBryan1

SPRINGFIELD — Gov. Pat Quinn is renewing a push in Illinois to ban assault weapons in the wake of the killings at a Colorado theater that left 12 dead and dozens more wounded.

The Democratic governor also revealed plans today to propose a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines in Illinois.

He said in a letter to all state lawmakers that he supports the U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, but the "proliferation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines undermines public safety and the right of personal security of every citizen."

The proposal comes in the form of an amendatory veto of a bill that he is sending back to lawmakers to consider whether to support or reject. Even in the wake of the Colorado shootings, Quinn will find himself with a tough sell in a legislature that is so deeply divided over guns that no major pro-gun or anti-gun legislation has moved forward for years.

In recent years, Chicago Democrats have turned out in favor of gun control......

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; awb; awb2; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; gungrabber; liberalfascism; quinn; rat; rkba; youwillnotdisarmus
FWIW...>I turned down an awesome GS-12 job at Scott AFB due to the hatred of the 2nd Amendment in Illinois, especially Chicago. This is the same reason why my wife and I won't move to CA, her home.....no shall issue CCW, 3/4 of my gun room has to stay behind, and God help you if you actually shoot someone and they turn out to be a minority.
1 posted on 07/31/2012 4:27:18 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

I’m sure all the gangbangers will readily surrender their AK-47s and other assault weapons if this ban goes into effect.

Seems these idiots want the criminals to win.


2 posted on 07/31/2012 4:36:37 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will NEVER get my vote.)
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To: DCBryan1

“God help you if you actually shoot someone and they turn out to be a minority.”

No problem there as whites are the minority here in mexifornia.


3 posted on 07/31/2012 4:37:50 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: DCBryan1

This is the new theme of the left: “I believe in the 2nd amendment, but ...”, followed by “sensible or reasonable restrictions”.

They have decided to go for the incremental approach again.


4 posted on 07/31/2012 4:52:39 PM PDT by jimbobfoster
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To: DCBryan1
Hey! Lets ban just those weapons that could be used for assault.

What could go wrong?

5 posted on 07/31/2012 4:53:25 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m confused. You mean Illinois doesn’t have this already? I mean, New York does, I’m reasonably certain California does... what gives, IL? You’re slacking in taking away your citizens’ freedoms!


6 posted on 07/31/2012 4:58:41 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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7 posted on 07/31/2012 4:59:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DCBryan1

Why the knee jerk action to ban assault looking weapons? Most of the dead at the theater shooting succumbed to the blasts of the most popular wing shooter ever made, the Remington 870 pump shotgun. Are they planning on banning that too?


8 posted on 07/31/2012 5:30:00 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But it's going to get a lot Tougher if you vote for Obama in Nov.)
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To: doc1019
They are socialists that desire to destroy freedom and render everyone a docile dependent subject. Their milking of the economy isn't going to well and is clearly not sustainable w/o disarming the populace.
9 posted on 07/31/2012 5:35:50 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

So, what are they going to do with all the armed gangbangers and other assorted criminals that will still own assault weapons? (Could be the excuse they need to declare martial law and get the military involved).


10 posted on 07/31/2012 5:42:23 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will NEVER get my vote.)
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To: DCBryan1

Hey Gov. Scumbag, how about you fix your cess pool in Chicago before you tell the rest of us hoe to live.


11 posted on 07/31/2012 5:51:37 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day. Another small provocation. Another step closer.)
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To: DCBryan1

Another gun ban. yeah, right. As if any gun ban has worked. Gun Ban Chicago, where it is more deadly than Afghanistan. (which has loads of assault weapons) Innocent Citizens are defenseless while gangbangers run free.

But, we ARE protected from Chick-Fil-A . . .

Gotta keep our priorities straight.


12 posted on 07/31/2012 5:51:37 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

I recently had to request some documentation regarding a family member from Gov. Pat Quinn, which was somewhat privileged and difficult to come by. The man is a sweetie!!! He responded to me immediately, indicating an assistant counsel would research the matter,and my response was prompt, efficient, and 100% what I needed. I DO believe in our 2nd amendment rights, the right to self defense, and the right to bear arms to overcome tyranny...but can also see the Governor’s point that we don’t need the deadly and sophisticated type of weaponry that our forefathers wouldn’t dream being available now falling into the hands of citizenry who would abuse the right, and turn it against their fellow citizens.


13 posted on 07/31/2012 6:09:53 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: kiltie65

Either you forgot your /s/ tag or you are terribly naive for someone who has been here since 2008.


14 posted on 07/31/2012 6:28:33 PM PDT by Ann de IL
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To: kiltie65
Our Forefathers fought a war with privately owned artillery and gave privateer writs to privately owned warships both of which put the firepower of an “assault weapon” to shame. Our forefathers intended us to have every weapon that the military had in order to be a bulwark against our government becoming a tyranny.
During the last 100 years the organizations guilty of the most murders have been governments. Why would you trust them with unlimited power? Are you suicidal or do you like the idea of tyranny and plan to be in the ruling class?

15 posted on 07/31/2012 6:44:20 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: doc1019

That’s exactly what the wife and I were talking about when we heard this over dinner. This is political theater, nothing more. As with any socialist, they want these guns banned because they pose a threat to their status of power over the people. They ignore the fact Chicago already had some of the most draconian gun laws on the books, and any further ban on weapons would only prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves from the criminals. Something Quinn, and his cohorts, would relish...


16 posted on 07/31/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: kiltie65

You are overtly naive, or clueless. Arms have developed over the centuries. Do you believe back in the 17/1800’s citizens were only allowed weapons less powerful than the military as a whole? The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to insure citizens can protect themselves from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. And if those enemies, including those domestic, have assault weapons, then it’s incumbent on the citizenry to be equally armed. Period. Paragraph. It we’re not, then our freedom is toast.


17 posted on 07/31/2012 6:59:46 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: kiltie65
we don’t need the deadly and sophisticated type of weaponry that our forefathers wouldn’t dream being available now falling into the hands of citizenry who would abuse the right, and turn it against their fellow citizens.

1. Who is "we"?

2. It's not the Bill of Needs. It's the Bill of Rights.

18 posted on 07/31/2012 7:00:22 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: DCBryan1

Another insane, brain-rotted liberal heard from.
We don’t have enough asylums for all these clowns.


19 posted on 07/31/2012 7:09:39 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: doc1019
"So, what are they going to do with all the armed gangbangers and other assorted criminals that will still own assault weapons?

Kill then after their usefulness is over, or incorpoate the loyal ones into their own jack-boot force when the older disloyal ones are purged.

20 posted on 07/31/2012 7:33:55 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: DCBryan1
As a show of good faith and a desire to lead by example, this d!ckweed governor should disband his security detail, drive a Chevy Volt to work and move into an apartment in one of the Chicago hoods.

If the jackass is still alive after a year, perhaps the state legislature could fund a study.

21 posted on 07/31/2012 7:36:32 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: kiltie65
"we don’t need the deadly and sophisticated type of weaponry that our forefathers wouldn’t dream being available now falling into the hands of citizenry who would abuse the right,"

They were citizens that killed the friggin' king's troops genius.

22 posted on 07/31/2012 7:37:31 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: kiltie65

You’re a complete idiot.


23 posted on 07/31/2012 7:42:20 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: DCBryan1

.22 caliber rifles will be banned again?


24 posted on 07/31/2012 7:47:27 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: kiltie65

zot


25 posted on 07/31/2012 7:50:07 PM PDT by xone
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To: doc1019

Gov. Pat Queen is a PUSSY.


26 posted on 07/31/2012 8:15:28 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: DCBryan1

Hey Pat. Molon Labe MF.


27 posted on 07/31/2012 8:53:17 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: kiltie65

28 posted on 08/01/2012 4:25:10 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: DCBryan1

If I am caught in possession of handgun in Illinois I will be arrested and put in jail, even though I am in possession of a carry permit from my state and have never done harm to anyone with my firearms.

Chicago is now recognized as the most deadly “international” city. Gang bangers are shooting each other by the (sometimes) dozen per day with the same guns I would be arrested for.

Somehow politicians walk right past the obvious every time in their attempts to make more and more of us criminals.


29 posted on 08/01/2012 4:31:32 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: kiltie65; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; blam; Old Sarge; 50mm; SunkenCiv; MrB
we don’t need the deadly and sophisticated type of weaponry that our forefathers wouldn’t dream being available now falling into the hands of citizenry who would abuse the right, and turn it against their fellow citizens.

Want to help educate this fool before he zots himself?

30 posted on 08/01/2012 5:03:00 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (I'll take over the Mormon over the Moron any day!)
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To: kiltie65

Actually, modern firearms are safer for gunshot victims today than they were 200 years ago, because of the relative states of medical care then and now. 200 years ago, almost any slight torso gunshot wound led to an agonizing death through infection. Any wound to a limb led to an immediate amputation, and most of the time after that, it still led to an agonizing death through infection.

The “assault weapon” of 200 years ago was the blunderbuss, which could launch 30 pieces of lead or rusty iron at a crowd of victims with one press of a trigger. Yet “blunderbuss attacks” on innocents were unheard of.

Effective long guns have existed for 500 years. Multi-shot pistols and rifles for 150. Semi-auto rifles and pistols for 80 years. Yet it was nearly unheard of for anybody to go berserk and fire into a crowd of innocents.

So what changed? The culture.

Until about 30 years ago, there were no movies or TV shows with attractive, charismatic but evil “anti-heroes” for potential psychos to use as role models. James Holmes wanted to be “The Joker,” an evil yet cool, attractive and charismatic villain. If you want to do something about rampaging psychos, look at the mass popular culture, which has changed radically for the worse in just a few decades.

Don’t look at guns, which have been around for 500 years, and in modern self-loading versions for 80 years.

And please don’t cite the false “fact” that guns are more dangerous today, for they are NOT. They are much, much safer, due to medical care today. Soldiers, cops and criminals are shot through the torso every day, and survive. This NEVER happened in the past, when nearly every gun shot resulted in an agonized death or at least an amputation. Saying that guns are more dangerous today is pure foolishness.


31 posted on 08/01/2012 6:03:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: kiltie65

“our forefathers wouldn’t dream being available now falling into the hands of citizenry “

You’re following the extreme left-wing tripe. Our founding fathers had cannons, warships with dozens of cannons, explosives, hand grenades, etc. They had the best military weapons made and were far more effective than our little rifles today. In fact, we borrowed a few of those warships during the war from private persons. When they said the people should have the weapons and the government should borrow them in time of need, they meant it.


32 posted on 08/01/2012 7:39:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

Not to mention, most of the “modern” rifle cartridges are over 100 years old now.

The 30-06 was developed in 1906.
The 30-30 in 1895.
The British 303 in 1888.


33 posted on 08/01/2012 7:45:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: kiltie65; bcsco; Lurker; DCBryan1; jimbobfoster
Oh, where do I begin?

" I DO believe in our 2nd amendment rights, the right to self defense, and the right to bear arms to overcome tyranny...but"

No sooner than Jimbob mentions it, then someone posts it: the appearance of the current Leftist talking point. While you're smacking your lips and savoring the taste of the Kool-aid, pay attention...

The Left does not want "assault weapons" banned, they want ALL weapons banned. They want the citizenry disarmed, which is what the 2AM was designed to prevent. This is what Fast & Furious was all about: the government arming criminals with weapons to gin up hysteria and support for a universal weapons ban. Haven't you been paying attention since your sign-up date??

Tell me again, how criminals will comply with a weapons ban - out of their sense of patriotism? That's what criminals do; they break the laws of society and the nation. When the Trayvons and Tawannas come boiling out of the ghettos like fire ants, better armed than the police, will you appeal to their sense of community to lay down their arms and sing kumbaya?

Now, let's turn the clock back 236 years. The principal weapon of the British military at the time was Brown Bess, a .75 caliber monster that was still in service during the US Civil War; considerably larger and more powerful than modern arms. With modern ammunition like the .22, 5.56mm, and even the 9mm, a single hit is survivable with medical care. When Brown Bess hit you, you died - or you wished you had.

This musket was also in the hands of the citizenry who were part of the unorganized militia, which still exists today: all able-bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45(Title 10 USC Sec 311), and all military vets up to age 65 (Title 32 USC Sec. 313). The unorganized militia must maintain its own arms and arsenal, and that is partly what the 2AM is all about - the right of the people to keep arms.

And if one wants to argue contemporary law, let's go to D.C. v. Heller where the SCOTUS ruled that banning an entire class of weapons is unconstitutional. The Left wants a ban on an entire class of weapons, and demands that so many weapons be included in the banned class that ANY weapon used for defense is illegal.

Now please, not for our sakes, but for your own, reconsider your position. You are falling into the Leftist mindtrap of agenda couched as "reasonable" requests. I do not apologize for the length of this post; it's meant to give you better ammunition and insight. Take it, and go forth.

34 posted on 08/01/2012 9:03:31 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m confused. I thought all firearms ownership is banned in IL.


35 posted on 08/01/2012 11:32:41 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Old Sarge

I appreciate your in depth response and that of others and thank you for taking the time, and I just laugh off those piling on. We have a First Amendment, too, which promises free speech, mine, and that of everyone else (unfortunately). Maybe I’m apprehensive coz’ I only have a .22 pea shooter and know if things do go bad I’ll be outgunned, most certainly by all the respondents to my comments. More fearful of my fellow citizens armed to the teeth with bazookas, than most other threats on the horizon. Puleeze allow me my freedom of speech when I differ from the group think.


36 posted on 08/01/2012 5:31:22 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: kiltie65
Puleeze allow me my freedom of speech when I differ from the group think.

You certainly have freedom of speech, but the part of your post about gun control was pure group think.

37 posted on 08/01/2012 8:06:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: kiltie65
We have a First Amendment, too, which promises free speech,

Which has to do with the gov't restricting your speech, not private entities like this site.

More fearful of my fellow citizens armed to the teeth with bazookas, than most other threats on the horizon.

Lots of that going on, another lefty tactic.

when I differ from the group think.

You don't differ from group think, you use the talking points of the left. zot.

38 posted on 08/02/2012 8:30:27 AM PDT by xone
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