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The Oppo File on Marco Rubio: Why He's an Unlikely Veep Pick
The Atlantic ^ | May 4 2012, 12:06 PM ET | David Graham

Posted on 07/31/2012 5:21:31 PM PDT by Red Steel

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Although he could be an asset to Mitt Romney, irregularities in the Florida senator's record would make him a fat target for Democrats.

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Overlooked in this is Rubio's big Achilles' heel: his record. Not his legislative record -- though Democrats would surely take great pains to paint him as an extremist, he tends to be in the mainstream of the GOP -- but his political and lifestyle ones. Those areas will give opponents plenty to work with. There's no single smoking gun -- the lone revelation that would make him unviable. Instead, his record raises a series of smaller questions that would add up to many potential headaches for a campaign headed into a tough election against an incumbent president. The case for Rubio is well known, but here's a quick rundown on his potential vulnerabilities.

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7. He Also Has Close Connections With Jim Greer. Greer is the embattled former chair of the Florida GOP, and as a prominent Florida Republican, Rubio naturally worked alongside him. The bad news: Greer has been charged with fraud and money-laundering. Worse: Greer is furious at party leaders and is thought to be sitting on damaging information about the party and its officials. Worst: He is set to go on trial in late July, on the eve of the Republican National Convention -- which is being held in Tampa.

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9. His Record Has Several Other Irregularities. Rubio has already faced questions about his official biography. Washington Post reporter Manuel Roig-Franzia revealed that contrary to prior claims, Rubio's parents came to the United States from Cuba before, rather than after, the Cuban Revolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: rubio
I don't believe FReepers really know much about what the Dems are going to use and play against Rubio if he's picked so I posted this article.

Much of it penny ante, but collectively it could pose a significant distract during the campaign. I have no doubt that the lib media along with the Dems with play it for all it's worth against Rubio.

"1. He Improperly Used a Republican Party Credit Card. In 2010, the Miami Herald and the St. Petersburg Times (now the Tampa Bay Times) reported that Rubio"

Rubio used it on groceries wine and to repair his minvan although, Rubio said he paid it back. And the related complaint charges about this were tossed a few days ago by Florida Ethics Commission.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/florida-ethics-commission-tosses-out-case-against-rubio/

1 posted on 07/31/2012 5:21:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

If this is the worst the opposition can come up with...


2 posted on 07/31/2012 5:26:47 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: Red Steel
I don't care for Rubio at all, but the ‘irregularities’ the Atlantic says disqualify him have almost exactly parallels with Obama - Rezko, foreign donations, Moochelle's $350k patronage position, his lack of voting record in the senate.

Of course the Atlantic thought those weren't worth looking into.

3 posted on 07/31/2012 5:26:52 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Red Steel
The bad news: Greer has been charged with fraud and money-laundering.

Why isn't this a crime when the commie 'RATS do it?

4 posted on 07/31/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The NRA did not create James "The Joker" Holmes. Harvey Weinstein's Hollywood did.)
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To: Red Steel

Rubio drives a minivan? Gads that there is enough to disqualify him.


5 posted on 07/31/2012 5:29:11 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Red Steel

His abuse of the corporate credit card is a red flag. It shows moral defectiveness. If you can’t trust the guy with a credit card there are probably other problems. Where I work there are a few f*$#ups who put thier personal crap on the corporate credit card. Often times these same guys/gals get fired for screwing up other things.


6 posted on 07/31/2012 5:30:41 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Red Steel

Boy, its a good thing that these guys were too busy to look into Barack Obama’s past. We’d all be talking about John McCain’s reelection campaign.


7 posted on 07/31/2012 5:33:34 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Cuz Repubs have values.....RATS have nothing to live up to.


8 posted on 07/31/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Red Steel

I have my own reasons I prefer to not see Rubio as the GOP VP pick.

I don’t want to see his Florida Senate seat in play, and AT THIS POINT IN TIME I think he is more important to the party, and will be more important to the GOP in 2013-2014 in that Senate seat than he might possibly be as VP for Romney.

Romney’s “Hispanic” vote will be what it will be, based on his policy positions, not on who his VP pick is.

Other’s can help Romney as much as Rubio, in different ways, without taking Rubio out of the Senate where we need every GOP vote we can get.


9 posted on 07/31/2012 5:51:04 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Red Steel
Marco Rubio: Why He's an Unlikely Veep Pick
We can only hope Dream.
10 posted on 07/31/2012 5:56:23 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: Red Steel

While my choice for VP is West, I don’t much care what the Atlantic has to say about anything


11 posted on 07/31/2012 6:03:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Red Steel

Why choose Rubio when he could choose Hillary?


12 posted on 07/31/2012 6:14:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Red Steel

Rubio lost me when he recently voted to continue the government subsidies to big sugar.


13 posted on 07/31/2012 6:14:25 PM PDT by Oldhunk
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To: Red Steel

Ah, Marco “the illegals can stay anywhere but his house” Rubio, he is like a Democrat, the law can be interpreted and followed according to the way the wind blows upon one’s finger! RINO’s, they are as loving as a dove and as cunning as a cow!


14 posted on 07/31/2012 6:31:13 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Red Steel
Choosing Rubio would split off a block of motivated voters from the republican party and turn them into motivated enemies.

Choosing Rubio, or anyone else who wasn't born here to two citizen parents at the time of his/her birth, for VP will make that group into sworn enemies instead of potential Romney voters.

There won't be anything you or anyone else can say or do to change that fact.

15 posted on 07/31/2012 6:42:33 PM PDT by GBA
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To: GBA

I don’t know anybody like that nor have I ever seen that viewpoint expressed. I think you’re projecting.


16 posted on 07/31/2012 6:46:42 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: GBA

This crap about birtherism and Rubio is just that. Not the law of our country, period.

However, I’m not sure it’s worth picking Rubio, because of a perceived lack of experience.


17 posted on 07/31/2012 6:53:57 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Blackirish
You haven't been paying attention or you're being willfully blind or you're lying.

The Gold Standard definition for a Natural Born Citizen is someone born here to two citizen parents at the time of his or her birth.

That is the only definition that will be acceptable to everyone.

Anything less will guarantee a fight for Romney against a very motivated block of otherwise republican voters.

18 posted on 07/31/2012 6:58:50 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Williams
This crap about birtherism and Rubio is just that. Not the law of our country, period.

You will find that many strongly disagree with you.

If you want to make the election into a Constitutional fight over the VP's eligibility, there are plenty of Americans ready, willing and able to be so distracted and will readily help you spend your campaign dollars against your otherwise faithful voters.

I think Romney is a more practical man than that, but if this is the hill he wants his political career to die fighting for, he'll have plenty of help making that happen.

I think that's the reason Rubio is being pushed, to torpedo Romney and cause infighting, while taking some of the heat off of obama's similar problems.

It will work!

19 posted on 07/31/2012 7:08:47 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Red Steel
Much of it penny ante

You're right, but the MSM will take the penny ante stuff and magnify it breathlessly, a la the Palin "dress shopping" pseudo-scandal.

I'm sorry, I do like Rubio, but there is too much potential for him to be Palin-ized. It's a shame, but I'm only being realistic.

Paul Ryan IMO is the only good candidate on the short list. This Atlantic article describes Ryan as "a dynamic proponent of unpopular ideas."
Well, good! The public admires a "dynamic" and confident man who sticks to his ideas, even if they're "unpopular." Think Ronald Reagan.

Another good choice, though not on Romney's short list probably, would be Jon Kyl.

20 posted on 07/31/2012 7:32:37 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: GBA
The Gold Standard definition for a Natural Born Citizen is someone born here to two citizen parents at the time of his or her birth. That is the only definition that will be acceptable to everyone.

On behalf of the 34 other people who are left agreeing with us, I thank you. We have been betrayed by the courts and the GOP.

21 posted on 07/31/2012 8:10:03 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: Nifster
I always remember The Atlantic published a prophetic article by John Kenneth Galbraith just a couple of months before I got my graduate school sheepskin in May of 1987.

The gist of that article was how the Russian brand of Communism and her growing empire was here to stay and that the United States needed to reconcile ourselves to that fact.

At the time, Galbraith was considered the economic guru of the left and even intellectually superior to Milton Friedman, the most prominent voice on the right in my field.

22 posted on 07/31/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Red Steel
This is a sure tip off that they are scared to death of Rubio as they well should be. I worked in oppo research for many years and I can tell you “hits” as we called them DON'T work if it takes more than a minute to explain them. A quick look says there really isn't much here. Connecting Rubio to somebody who the Democrats don't like in Florida won't work, the credit card thing had some potential but that's gone now so ....... fade to black.
23 posted on 07/31/2012 8:23:48 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
In 1875, U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont was presented with a query from the Secretary of State, Hamilton Fish. A young man, surnamed Steinkauler (his first name was never mentioned), had been born in Missouri in 1855, a year after his father was naturalized a U.S. citizen. When he was four years old, his father returned to Germany with him and both had stayed there ever since. The father has relinquished his American citizenship. Now the young man is 20 years old and about to be drafted into the German army. What is this young man's situation as a native-born American citizen? After studying the relevant legal authorities, Pierrepont wrote:

Under the treaty [of 1868 with Germany], and in harmony with American doctrine, it is clear that Steinkauler the father abandoned his naturalization in America and became a German subject (his son being yet a minor), and that by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired. .... Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States..... I am of opinion that when he reaches the age of 21 years he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth, with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father.

The more I read, the more I am convinced that "natural born citizen" refers to someone who was a citizen "naturally", ie they were not "naturalized". This covers anyone born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Should their parents not be US citizens at the time of their birth, they may have dual citizenship, but they ARE natural born citizens. While I would like there to be a requirement that both parents must be citizens AND that they be born on US soil, such a requirement does NOT exist in the constitution.

24 posted on 07/31/2012 8:42:40 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138
Crusher, my man, unless you are cashing SCOTUS paychecks, your extremely well reasoned and very well expressed opinion remains just that; an opinion. It is equal in validity to mine.

Out of extreme and curmudgeonly xenophobia, I refuse to believe that the offspring of illegal aliens are "Natural Born Citizens" of the US. They are citizens of their parents' country. Steinkauler was indeed a natural born citizen, because both of his parents were citizens. That could not be removed from him. Mamá (or Mutti, as the case may be) having been automatically naturalized in those days when Papá was.

What is needed here is a ruling from the balck-robed bumkissers club whom we pay dearly for their opinions, aka The SCOTUS. If they agree with you, I'm buying, and of course, vice-versa.

Perhaps you will join me in urging them to define the classes of citizenship after the Resident Recumbent is driven from public housing, along with Aunt Zeituni and Uncle Onyanyo.

25 posted on 07/31/2012 8:57:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: Crusher138
If the FFs wanted a dual citizen to be President, they likely would have said so.

Why did they expressly choose a Natural Born citizen instead of any other flavor?

What is the purest citizenship one can have? Which form doesn't have any allegience or fealty, legal or otherwise, to any other nation but one?

Only Natural Born, born in country to two citizen parents, has that quality of citizenship, by birthright, not by law or treaty, and passes the purity test.

Ours was a newly formed nation, just barely standing, with many foreign enemies, not just England. For the single most powerful human in our government, with 1/3 of the total US power at his control, our FFs wanted loyalty to America alone, from birth. Only one class of citizenship offers that potential.

It's not as hard as people try to make it. If you were writing the standard for the new nation, you would choose for citizenship, eligibility with the highest quality, the most loyalty, the legally most pure citizenship for the single most powerful office in the nation.

Only one fills those requirements and you would not do with lower quality. Why would you go with less?

26 posted on 07/31/2012 9:13:42 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Kenny Bunk
It is my pleasure to be of service, there are so many great examples here to follow.

Yes, we have been betrayed, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to living up to that "oath thing" from my youth.

Besides, the betrayal is so widespread, just being proudly Constitutional will seem like a new fad at some point and likely will catch on.

The pendulum has to swing the other way sooner or later and I think politically it's a bit overdue. Here we are on the cutting edge.

27 posted on 07/31/2012 9:26:59 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Nifster

Oh, how I’d love to see Allen West as the VP pick. Heck, I’d love to see him as the President. Does anyone know if he’s even on Romney’s short list? I doubt it since West is a staunch conservative. But, what an exciting pick it would be.


28 posted on 07/31/2012 11:02:01 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Vigilanteman

The Atlantic has always been left and now is very left. JKG was the darling of the left and really not a very good economist. Give me Hayek or Friedman any day


29 posted on 07/31/2012 11:12:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Catsrus

Oh I would be so thrilled but like you I figure West is way to conservative for the GOP establishment


30 posted on 07/31/2012 11:13:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Williams

Both your sentences are 100% correct.


31 posted on 08/01/2012 7:48:59 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Crusher138

Stand by your guns Crusher. There are a lot of idiots trolling this website who make up laws to suit their agenda. They cannot produce the law that says NBC requires citizen parents so their only strategy is to belittle those who stand behind the Constitution AS WRITTEN. Reason escapes them because even an idiot should understand that natural means not naturalized by law.


32 posted on 08/01/2012 7:57:08 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Nifster
JKG was the darling of the left and really not a very good economist.

True, but he was still a way better economist than Paul Krugman, who is the current darling of the left.

33 posted on 08/01/2012 8:01:47 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Krugman....bleeech. He isn’t even a hack writer. His so called knowledge of economics defies logic


34 posted on 08/01/2012 9:46:50 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Red Steel; All

I’ve been a Rubio supporter from the beginning, but I read the litany of things the Dems can use against him and even though he said many of them were “errors” and corrected them with repayments, etc..... It’s just too much. Glad this came out now instead of after he was selected for the VP spot.

Stay in the Senate Marco and do a good job, this is not your time.


35 posted on 08/02/2012 1:03:20 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Catsrus; All

I love Allen West and would love to see him as VP. And, what I getting ready to say now is “racist”, but..... I’ve had more than one person tell me that “after Barack Obama” they will NOT vote for any Black man. And, I must say, Herman Cain and his philandering with white women, did not help the Black Conservative cause. (Re: Cain: If you’re innocent, you stand and fight and face your accusers. You don’t run like a scaled dog. Would he have done the same thing, i.e. quit the race, if he’d been accused of being a Homosexual??? I think not!!! So, what does that tell you?)


36 posted on 08/02/2012 1:10:48 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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