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Team Obama Seizing Western Water Supplies
http://nation.foxnews.com/ ^ | August 01, 2012 | Steve Ramirez

Posted on 08/01/2012 4:39:25 PM PDT by Whenifhow

Clearly, it was jolting news the New Mexico Legislature's Water and Natural Resources Committee wasn't prepared for. During Monday's committee meeting, in the Barbara Hubbard Room at the Pan American Center Annex, lawyers representing the New Mexico Office of the State Engineer, Elephant Butte Irrigation District, and the city of Las Cruces, told the committee that a state Water Court hearing will be at 9 a.m. Wednesday, at the Third Judicial Court Complex, 201 E. Picacho Ave., and the future management of state's water supply could hang in the balance of the hearing's outcome.

"Why hasn't this been front-page news?" asked a surprised Clinton D. Harden Jr., a state senator from Clovis. "This is one of the biggest things ever. Frankly, what we're looking at is under the camel's nose. This is an unprecedented legal claim to water."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: agenda21; banglist; culturewars; drought; executiveorder; muslims; nazis; newmexico; nm; obama; shadowwars; threatmatrix; un; water; waterrights
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1 posted on 08/01/2012 4:39:32 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Nachum; TEXOKIE; Kartographer; null and void

read more

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_21195125/u-s-government-sues-new-mexico-damages-groundwater


2 posted on 08/01/2012 4:43:10 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

This is one of the methods the Agenda 21 maniacs will use to force people off the land. They work in secret, under the radar, and hope the frog doesn’t notice it’s being boiled before it’s too late.


3 posted on 08/01/2012 4:48:13 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Whenifhow

Why don’t the governors for these states group up and tell this bozo Resident to go to hell?

If they meet one of his ombudsment at a meeting, they should walk around behind them and pull the back of their shorts up to the ceiling, and then drop kick them out of the state.

This guy wields power like he thinks he’s Allah or something.

No, he’s barely more than Sweet Pea.


4 posted on 08/01/2012 4:49:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Whenifhow

Meet Obama the Dick tator.


5 posted on 08/01/2012 4:54:33 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Whenifhow

Good one. Thanks.


6 posted on 08/01/2012 4:56:39 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Whenifhow

Anyone comes on our place looking to seize our water and they’ll find out what lead poisoning is like.


7 posted on 08/01/2012 5:00:26 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Whenifhow

This has been going on since well before any of us ever heard of Obama.

Just today my “republican” governor announced that he was spending $38 million on various “wildlands” projects in my area of Michigan including buying a 2000 acre tract a few miles from me and a skate park in Ann Arbor.


8 posted on 08/01/2012 5:01:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Wildlands projects? I remember Michigan having thousands of acres of wild lands.


9 posted on 08/01/2012 5:07:03 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I have posted for years at FR the fact the Democrat Party is a criminal organization. This article, as well the earlier one at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2913357/posts

IMO prove my point.

Obama, the Democrats, everything they have instilled in our government over many decades have to be eliminated, and their influence reduced to irrelevance.


10 posted on 08/01/2012 5:21:51 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Sarajevo
Wildlands projects?

He means this one.

Here's Coffman's map.

Not thousands of acres, millions.

11 posted on 08/01/2012 5:23:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

When a governor does something similiar to what Michigan’s is doing, it really shouldn’t be that alarming, as he is more accountable to the citizens of your state. You can recall the POS!

What the Federal government is doing, plainly is unconstitutional. The Western governors must get their acts together and run riot over BHO2. They have the power to do that and I would hope they do it soon.

Only four more months to go, folks, until November. Obama knows his time in the White House is drawing to an end and he is going to pull more of this same crap in an effort to push Americans to the breaking point.


12 posted on 08/01/2012 5:25:52 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Natural Born Citizen - born in the USA of citizen parents.)
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To: SatinDoll

You’re providing the matching funds.


13 posted on 08/01/2012 5:31:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Sarajevo

East of the Mississippi Michigan is big on the state and federal lands.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/08/gov_rick_snyder_oks_38m_for_re.html#incart_river_default


14 posted on 08/01/2012 5:35:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...

NM list PING!

I may not PING for all New Mexico articles. To see New Mexico articles by topic click here: New Mexico Topics

To see NM articles by keyword, click here:New Mexico Keywords

To see the NM Message Page, click here: New Mexico Messages

(The NM list is available on my FR homepage for anyone to use. Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)
(For ABQ Journal articles requiring a subscription, scroll down to the bottom of the page to view the article for free after watching a short video commercial.)

15 posted on 08/01/2012 5:35:20 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: rockinqsranch

For many Leftists, the dream started with John F. Kennedy. If you look at Joe, his dad, you quickly learn that he made his money in contraband liquor during prohibition.

The Kennedy’s were essentially a crime family. Joe was a crusty old bastard that brought home starlets he was dating to have dinner with his kids and his wife.

Joe also spread his money around to buy John the election in ‘60.

I’ve seen your post, and I don’t disagree with you. I could never be a Democrat because after Kennedy/Johnson, things started to go very strange. George McGoven basically kidnapped an already seriously flawed party, and took it down to new depths of depravity, UnAmerican Activities to the max. Kerry was doing his part about then. Clinton and Obama have both done the party one better, leading it to a place that is as vile as anything we have seen around the world over the last 100 years.

I say this, on the offside chance that some folks will wake up to what is going on, before we do see a U. S. Lenin, Stalin, or Hitler. That is exactly where we are headed.


16 posted on 08/01/2012 5:36:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: leapfrog0202

And a bump back.


17 posted on 08/01/2012 5:37:39 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: cripplecreek
I assume your state's governor applied for those matching funds, did he not?

Does Michigan allow for recall of governors?

18 posted on 08/01/2012 5:38:42 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Natural Born Citizen - born in the USA of citizen parents.)
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To: rockinqsranch
"I have posted for years at FR the fact the Democrat Party is a criminal organization."

What? The Democrat Party has been a traitorous organization for longer than that.

19 posted on 08/01/2012 5:45:04 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: SatinDoll

Yeah, the democrats tried to recall him and it was dropped the day after the Wisconsin recall failed.


20 posted on 08/01/2012 5:47:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: leapfrog0202

Thanks, was just about to PING the list. I’ve been busy reporting/posting the results of the gun sales monkey trial in Las Cruces.


21 posted on 08/01/2012 6:03:14 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Whenifhow. Zero’s just lost the western US.


22 posted on 08/01/2012 6:03:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SatinDoll

three


23 posted on 08/01/2012 6:04:57 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: rockinqsranch
I have posted for years at FR the fact the Democrat Party is a criminal organization. This article, as well the earlier one ...

In this case in NM, not just Republicans upset. Dem legislators, especially in northern NM, represent Hispanics who have surface water rights for irrigation using centuries old ditches (acequias). This threatens them also:

"This is the first I've heard of this contrived conspiracy," Harden said.
"Many times the federal government has no common sense what so ever," said Rep. Candy Spence Ezzell, R-Roswell.
Added Rep. Joseph Cervantes, D-Las Cruces, and committee chair, "I'm really concerned about this lawsuit. This is really a strange, and bad — and bad — circumstance."

24 posted on 08/01/2012 6:16:34 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Whenifhow

I hope the democrats in the State leglsator are paying attention, If new Mexico loses this is an absolute disaster for the entire state on the level of a crisis.

You cannot underscore this point the People of New Mexico cannot survive without water! Water is THE most valuable resource in the State. If Washington is allowed to take control of New Mexico’s water they will control & dehydrate the state.

This fact should be taken as a certainty because New Mexico’s neighbors hold far more sway over the Federal government than does New Mexico. They are simply bigger and more numerous.

State Democrats are going to pay dearly if they can’t convince Obama to back down, and leave the state alone.


25 posted on 08/01/2012 6:23:28 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Whenifhow

For several years now, these thieves have been telling us, through fear-mongering about water shortages, that they’re coming after our water.


26 posted on 08/01/2012 6:26:35 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: SunkenCiv

This action by Obama is the implementation of the March 16 Executive Order - Resources and Preparedness

http://kaygranger.house.gov/weekly-enewsletter-executive-order-you-should-know-about

Will Drought Cause the Next Blackout?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/opinion/will-drought-cause-the-next-blackout.html?_r=1

Power plants most vulnerable to water scarcity.

http://www.climatebites.org/climate-communication-metaphors-and-soundbites/the-consequences-are-bad/risk-a-probability/water-scarcity-closes-thermoelectric-power-plants

Who knew? Power plants use 40% of U.S. freshwater supplies. How will they cope with a drier climate? Who will keep the lights on when the water runs out?

Notes: Thermoelectric plants (nuclear, coal and gas) make up roughly 90 percent of the U.S. electricity mix and they use 40 percent of the nation’s freshwater supplies. Climate change will reduce freshwater supplies and threaten power plants that use water for cooling.

Vulnerability of US and European electricity supply to climate change

http://ht.ly/1keJom

In the United States and Europe, at present 91% and 78% (ref. 1) of the total electricity is produced by thermoelectric (nuclear and fossil-fuelled) power plants, which directly depend on the availability and temperature of water resources for cooling. During recent warm, dry summers several thermoelectric power plants in Europe and the southeastern United States were forced to reduce production owing to cooling-water scarcity


27 posted on 08/01/2012 6:27:28 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: reasonisfaith

The drought was declared an “emergency”. Under the Resources and Preparedness Executive Order, Obama can seize resources.

Obama To Give UN Control Of Our Water!

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-to-give-un-control-of-our-water/

More about Executive orders
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2908067/posts?page=15#15


28 posted on 08/01/2012 6:31:25 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: CedarDave

You’re welcome Dave. And thanks for the pings on the gun sales trials :-)


29 posted on 08/01/2012 6:33:08 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Whenifhow

Thanks Whenifhow.


30 posted on 08/01/2012 7:07:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Whenifhow

Canada and the Great Lakes states came to an agreement that the feds cannot drain the Great Lakes to send the water somewhere else. Congress approved it. King Barack will ignore it and grab that water, also.


31 posted on 08/01/2012 7:14:46 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Whenifhow

They voted for an African Marxist in New Mexico.

He’d starve us all to death if he could figure out a way. Socialists don’t want people living outside the cities. They are making claims to rain water and they are denying water to localities.

UN Agenda 21. Clinton signed it. The Senate never passed it but failed to overrule Clinton’s signature.


32 posted on 08/01/2012 7:21:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: rockinqsranch; Carl Vehse

33 posted on 08/01/2012 7:28:49 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Whenifhow

“Added Rep. Joseph Cervantes, D-Las Cruces, and committee chair, “I’m really concerned about this lawsuit. This is really a strange, and bad — and bad — circumstance.”

“This is really a strange, and bad — and bad — circumstance.”

Even the D from Las Cruces nailed it.


34 posted on 08/02/2012 1:30:29 AM PDT by widdle_wabbit (taglines don't always work.)
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To: Monorprise
You cannot underscore this point the People of New Mexico cannot survive without water! Water is THE most valuable resource in the State.

It's the same all over the West: If you control the water, you control the land.

It holds true whether the use of that land is ranching, mining, agriculture, or just people living.

It also crosses my mind that New Mexico has an oil and gas industry, too, and this may be a preemptive strike to prevent the sort of hydraulic fracturing essential to development of many resources there as well as elsewhere.

States like North Dakota are geared up to fight any such attempts, but New Mexico not only might not be, it might have enough liberals to sympathize and help set a dangerous precedent for Federal Control which could be applied elsewhere.

35 posted on 08/02/2012 2:15:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: cripplecreek
"he was spending $38 million on various “wildlands” projects in my area of Michigan including buying a 2000 acre tract a few miles from me "

2000 acres for "wildlands"? He could just go down Davison Ave and pick up that much real estate for a song...

36 posted on 08/02/2012 6:21:12 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Nachum

Water will be the ultimate bargaining chip when things get tough.

Southern California needs a desalination plant, big time!


37 posted on 08/02/2012 6:25:16 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Defeat Obama. Everything else is secondary)
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To: Bernard Marx

this map is from late 90’s — show their plan

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message878048/pg1


38 posted on 08/02/2012 7:23:54 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: Loud Mime

“Southern California needs a desalination plant, big time!”

Ditto!


39 posted on 08/02/2012 7:47:20 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I’m glad we still live in a free country...

free, except, of course, for the necessary government controls on our food, water, energy consumption, and healthcare.


40 posted on 08/02/2012 7:49:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SunkenCiv

> Thanks Whenifhow. Zero’s just lost the western US.

Nope. Only in the rural areas.

The Metro areas are still solidly pro-0bama.

Do you realize that 80% of the American population lives in urban areas?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_per_liv_in_urb_are-people-percentage-living-urban-areas

I submit that this is by design, and that the goal is to get the urban ratio up to about 95%.


41 posted on 08/02/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: freedommom

Thanks. I track their activities as best I can. I keep an eye on local “Smart Growth” organizations. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service seems joined at the hip with U.N. Agenda 21 plans. Need development in an area stopped? No problem. The USFWS will find an endangered bug, bird or microbe that will bleed the developer dry with endless litigation.


42 posted on 08/02/2012 8:36:27 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Smokin' Joe

That really is how it starts isn’t it. The Feds will pick on a state that is either hated or poorly disposed to defend itself then uses its easy victory there to squelch other states out of their rights.

It is a fight for our rights we were as they intended never predisposed to win. Their hand picked court is by design & selection rigged against us. What is remarkable is that we are in fact able to win some of the time. But of course that is never enough over the long run because we only really have to lose once.


43 posted on 08/02/2012 9:21:22 AM PDT by Monorprise
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AYATOLLA JERK-A-BOO DECREE


44 posted on 08/02/2012 3:20:59 PM PDT by devolve (-------------- ------- ----------- ---------------------)
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To: Whenifhow

Placemark.


45 posted on 08/02/2012 7:53:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Venturer

Dat dick tate good! (it came from a dog after all)


46 posted on 08/02/2012 9:53:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Smokin' Joe; maggiesnotebook

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_21195125/u-s-government-sues-new-mexico-damages-groundwater

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012/08/govt-grabbing-water-again-sues-new-mexico-for-water-rights/
Govt Grabbing Water Again: Sues New Mexico for Water Rights

Excerpt:

There is no better way to control “The People” than to control their water.

This is the work of Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar and Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack. In a letter to them from the Western Governors’ Association:

“…The ramifications of such legal position extend to the very heart of the Western states exclusive ownership and/or management and control of the groundwater resources within their respective boundaries.”

Jay Stein, a lawyer representing the city of Las Cruces, who has filed as an intervener in the case, said the outcome of the hearing could potentially affect the city’s water supply.

“In the pending water rights adjudication in state district court, here in Las Cruces, the court has turned to the United States’ claims. Foremost among these is the issue of the United States’ claims to “groundwater’ or to “project water in the ground,’ as they have termed it.

These claims are not supported by any actual beneficial use of groundwater. Nor are they supported by state law which governs proceedings in the adjudication.

“These water claims are unqualified but potentially could amount to hundreds of thousands of acre-feet per year.”


47 posted on 08/02/2012 11:24:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Whenifhow

If you want to be on or off the Agenda 21 ping list, please notify me by Freepmail. It is a relatively low volume list in which we have been exploring the UN Agenda21 and related topics. We have collected our studies with threads, links, and discussions on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts

NEW ACTION THREAD:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2861644/posts

Post 128 of the Action Thread is a summary of the history of Agenda 21, “what they are doing”, “what to do about it” and a good bibliography for further reading.


48 posted on 08/03/2012 7:53:46 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: Whenifhow

Bump


49 posted on 08/04/2012 10:23:30 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: rockinqsranch

50 posted on 08/04/2012 10:26:19 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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