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Mine Succumbs To Obama's War On Coal, Ohio
IBD Editorials ^ | August 2, 2012

Posted on 08/02/2012 5:09:05 AM PDT by raptor22

Politics: As he flies into an Ohio air base that budget cuts will close, the president won't also be visiting an Ohio coal-mining operation shut down by his policies. Hey, isn't he trying to win that state?

As Air Force One touched down Wednesday in Mansfield, Ohio, President Obama found himself at the site of one of the possible casualties of his defense cuts — the 179th Airlift Wing of the Ohio Air National Guard. It employs more than 200 airmen and more than 550 part-time employees.

Despite administration denials, the 179th Airlift Wing may be doomed. It was targeted for elimination once before during the 2005 base closings process. Now its primary aircraft, the C27J, is scheduled to be decommissioned, declared by the Pentagon in its 2012 budget as no longer cost-effective.

A stop not scheduled during the president's third visit to the battleground state in four weeks was a coal-mining operation near Brilliant, Ohio, run by Ohio American Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. The operation employed 239 workers at its peak but will be closing as the result of President Obama's environmental policies.

Regulatory actions by President Obama and his appointees and followers were cited as the entire reason in the press release that announced the closing. "Mr. Obama has already destroyed 83,000 megawatts of coal-fired electricity generation in America," said Michael T.W. Carey, vice president of government affairs for Murray Energy. "Electric prices in the recent PJM Interconnection monthly auction were bid up 800% for 2015-16 because of this," he added.

PJM Interconnection, the company that operates the electric grid for 13 states, including Ohio, recently held its 2015 capacity auction. This gave the first real indication of just how drastic the effects of Obama's war on coal will be.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: bhoenergy; coal; coalmines; energy; epa; ibd; ibdenergy; jobs; oh2012; ohio; unemployment; waroncoal
We are operating on a wing and a prayer...
1 posted on 08/02/2012 5:09:11 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22
Visit an Air Base and it is doomed for closure.
Visit a coal mine that was forced to go belly-up from the policies imposed to intentionally doom the coal industry.

This reminds me of Peppy Le Pew walking by the flowers as they die from the stench.

2 posted on 08/02/2012 5:19:15 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: raptor22

Devastating info like this needs to be included in political ads. We must go to the polls and vote this America hating goon out of office.


3 posted on 08/02/2012 5:20:23 AM PDT by raisincane (I'm an optimist...I think most people are half full of crap - Maxine)
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To: raptor22
Despite administration denials...

The regime LIES...again.

Close air bases
Shut down coal mines
"But vote for me, anyway...I'm a good guy".

SNEAR.

4 posted on 08/02/2012 5:24:05 AM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

War on coal pimg


5 posted on 08/02/2012 5:25:22 AM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22

Maybe I’m wrong about this, but I thought the decline of coal involved more than just environmental policies. Here in the Northeast we’ve seen coal displaced by natural gas as a preferred form of energy for power generation, as more and more Marcellus Shale projects come on line.


6 posted on 08/02/2012 5:31:34 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: raptor22

“Despite administration denials, the 179th Airlift Wing may be doomed.”

The gutting of America’s Military and defense, continues...


7 posted on 08/02/2012 5:35:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [CADAVER-NV] has a goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: raptor22
Ummm, is nobody paying attention to this? Obama closes a coal mine. Electricity prices to increase by a factor of ten to twenty ???? Are you kidding me? Will people stand for this?

Wake up America.

8 posted on 08/02/2012 5:35:18 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You are correct. The historic low price of natural gas is making it a preferred fuel in some cases.


9 posted on 08/02/2012 5:36:22 AM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yet how do you explain the exponential (800%) increase in costs?
“PJM Interconnection, the company that operates the electric grid for 13 states, including Ohio, recently held its 2015 capacity auction. This gave the first real indication of just how drastic the effects of Obama’s war on coal will be. The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity was $136 per megawatt.

That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In Pennsylvania, the new market price is $167 per megawatt — 10 times higher. In northern Ohio, which is suffering from more forced coal-plant retirements than the rest of the region, the 2015 price is an astounding $357 per megawatt.”
Well, Obama said his policies would necessarily ‘skyrocket’ energy prices. Hope you don’t live in Pennsylvania.


10 posted on 08/02/2012 5:37:11 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Maybe I’m wrong about this, but I thought the decline of coal involved more than just environmental policies. Here in the Northeast we’ve seen coal displaced by natural gas as a preferred form of energy for power generation, as more and more Marcellus Shale projects come on line.

No you are not... As an interested observer in the industry I noticed the grid coal / gas percentages have changed dramatically via the Fracking Revolution as Gas has a lower price point now.

Coal lost something like 5% points from 44% down to 39% that is a marginal decline of greater than 10%.

What is a shame is they have not found a use for the coal i.e. coal to oil via the Fisher Tropsch process to make "JP" fuels for our military and domestic airliner fleet.

11 posted on 08/02/2012 5:37:51 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Alberta's Child

175+ coal plants to be shut-down ... 9+ gigawatts in 2012, alone!


12 posted on 08/02/2012 5:39:40 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [CADAVER-NV] has a goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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13 posted on 08/02/2012 5:43:23 AM PDT by narses
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To: raptor22

United Mine Workers were notorius democrat supporters....I wonder how that is working out for them!!!


14 posted on 08/02/2012 5:43:30 AM PDT by ontap
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To: taildragger
When the eviro-morons go after natural gas and fracking like they have coal the same thing will happen. Coal would be the cheapest of all if it were not being bullied out of the business by these enviro-nazis
15 posted on 08/02/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by ontap
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To: raptor22

Isn’t Ohio already in the bag for Obama? What a bunch of suckers.....


16 posted on 08/02/2012 5:48:31 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: griswold3

357 dollars a megawatt which means a 35 cents a kilowatt/hr?
(not to mention the various taxes and fees that will push that close to 50 cents a kilowatt hour) Those prices will devestate those states.


17 posted on 08/02/2012 5:55:02 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: tatown; Alberta's Child

Natural gas prices are not even close to as stable as coal prices have been. With gas get ready for not only an increase in the price of electricity, but also instability.


18 posted on 08/02/2012 5:55:25 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Alberta's Child

Qick question: do these coal plants have a pre-built system in place to accept gas as the fuel source? One day they run coal and the next day they flip a switch to run on gas?

Is there a massive move going on to retro fit these plants and if so wouldn’t that effect a rise in employment to hire the construction crews to perform this work?

Something or someone’s logic doesn’t add up.


19 posted on 08/02/2012 6:01:17 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: mdmathis6

No better way to kill an economy than raise the price of energy. People need to start understanding the relationship between parasites and hosts. The government is the biggest and most dangerous parasite of all, its regulations are what is about 95% responsible for the increases of the price of electricty in the last 10-15 years. Time for the consumers to take that up with the government they elected to serve them, not kill them by sucking out all their blood.


20 posted on 08/02/2012 6:03:30 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: griswold3

I don’t dispute any of this, but I’m not totally familiar with how these energy futures exchanges work. With an 800% increase over several years, it sounds like the buyers are building a lot more than just coal plant closings into their bids.


21 posted on 08/02/2012 6:13:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: shotgun
That's not really how it works. Let's say a utility has two different plants in the same region -- one coal, and one natural gas. Let's say they each generate about 50% of the power for the region. If the price of natural gas declines considerably, they'll simply reduce the output of the coal-fired plant and increase the output of the gas-fired plant. Maybe a month from now, the gas-fired plant supplies 60% of the region's power and the coal-fired plant supplies 40%.

If the output of one plant declines to a very low point due to these price considerations for fuel, the utility may simply decide to close the plant rather than use it to supply so little power.

22 posted on 08/02/2012 6:16:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: mdmathis6

“In northern Ohio served by FirstEnergy, the price will be $357 per MW.”
No worries,man! Obama supporters flood that area of our state. He’ll surely take care of them!


23 posted on 08/02/2012 6:22:54 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: raptor22

Does it feel as though we’re living in the Obama Fascist regime? Do you have your number for Obama’s Death Panel review yet? Anyone wonder if Big Bro and Big Sis have boxcars waiting outside their Death Panel site?


24 posted on 08/02/2012 6:50:36 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: dynoman
ts regulations are what is about 95% responsible for the increases of the price of electricty in the last 10-15 years

Don't worry, Obamanation will just blame the greedy electric companies.

25 posted on 08/02/2012 6:55:06 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: dynoman

Absolutely, coal is king.

Some of us remember well what happened in the late 90’s/early 2000’s when nat gas prices started their rocket ride upwards killing $100’s of millions in gas turbine projects across the county. I don’t expect the same magnitude of change over the next few years but prices will be going up.


26 posted on 08/02/2012 7:00:09 AM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: All

Here’s the real time contour map of PJM’s electricity prices. As the colors change to red the prices are higher. You can look at the legend to see the color/price relationaship. Also you can select the hubs etc. then mouse over them to see wha the price is at that specific point.

https://edata.pjm.com/eContour/#app=ecca&e929-selectedIndex=2

Here’s the same real time map for for MISO, it’s probably easier to understand;

https://www.midwestiso.org/MarketsOperations/RealTimeMarketData/Pages/LMPContourMap.aspx


27 posted on 08/02/2012 7:22:49 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: All

Here’s the real time contour map of PJM’s electricity prices. As the colors change to red the prices are higher. You can look at the legend to see the color/price relationaship. Also you can select the hubs etc. then mouse over them to see wha the price is at that specific point.

https://edata.pjm.com/eContour/#app=ecca&e929-selectedIndex=2

Here’s the same real time map for for MISO, it’s probably easier to understand;

https://www.midwestiso.org/MarketsOperations/RealTimeMarketData/Pages/LMPContourMap.aspx


28 posted on 08/02/2012 7:23:02 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: raptor22

Someone should interview these folks on why they lost their jobs... Great commercial for Mitty


29 posted on 08/02/2012 8:07:04 AM PDT by hippyhater
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To: raptor22

Someone should interview these folks on why they lost their jobs... Great commercial for Mitty


30 posted on 08/02/2012 8:08:00 AM PDT by hippyhater
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To: Alberta's Child

Sir,

The 2010 “cost per million btu of coal was $1.70.

The 2010 “cost per million btu og ga was $4.32.

I don’t have immediate access to 2011 numbers or 2012.


31 posted on 08/02/2012 8:23:06 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: raptor22
The thing about closing a coal mine is that it will have to be 'reclaimed'. After that is done, you can't just plug it in and throw the switch, so to speak, and the costs of re-opening it may prove prohibitive unless prices are really high. Natural Gas wells deplete fairly rapidly (faster than oil wells), and Federal control of water for fracking or other purposes (see what's happening in New Mexico) will ultimately control the supply of natural gas. With the coal mines shut down the freezing masses can be more easily loaded on 40 and 8's for the trip to the camp in a warmer climate.

It isn't the money, it's the control.

32 posted on 08/02/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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